Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

1. Indeed he did outperform. He put up more yards and more points. What other metric do you want to us? Your personal eye test? lol

2. "Take out the blown coverage" Oh, is that how it works? You can just take out the best play? Take out jimmy's 21 yard TD pass, darn he scored 0 points. The other part of that "blown" coverage that has been brought up before but i will bring it up again: if jimmy is in the game, i guarantee HE DOES NOT GET THAT SAME "blown coverage". Part of the reason that the coverage was "blown" is because of who was at QB. You're going to see that time and again. Trey is going to get different looks than jimmy would have gotten, the secondary/linebackers are going to react differently in a given situation because of who is at QB.

As for jimmy being more efficient.... i mean he led our team to 7 points in a half. He failed to convert 3rd down and shorts time and time and time again. Where is the efficiency?? As for "garbage time defense", Trey's first TD came in the 3rd quarter and after he settled down he drove the team down for another TD. The seahawks were not playing prevent defense at all so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
He's 21 years old. Do you really think his body won't change 4 years from now?

The only thing that could change in 4 years is his strength. He won't be any faster. The issue is that he was drafted specifically for his physical traits.

Even if that is true - it's not - he doesn't need to get faster. He just needs to get bigger while maintaining his speed. He is ridiculously fast for his size already. You ppl are tripping.

This is just crazy talk.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

Efficient? He's put 7 pts on the board the past 3 games in the first half! He wasn't even on the field for the TD vs GB.

our D had 5 3 in outs vs Wilson to start off the game…Lance had 200 total yards, 2 TDs, and a 2 pt conversion in one half….was it pretty? Not always…how the hell are peoples expecting it to be at this pt for him.

Jimmy has been the opposite of efficient this yr…and guess what he's had blown coverages that's he's taken advantage of just as well

You'd have to show me that one.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

He was effective for one drive. Rest of the half he was mediocre. This is the frustration with him, no consistency.

So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

1. Indeed he did outperform. He put up more yards and more points. What other metric do you want to us? Your personal eye test? lol

2. "Take out the blown coverage" Oh, is that how it works? You can just take out the best play? Take out jimmy's 21 yard TD pass, darn he scored 0 points. The other part of that "blown" coverage that has been brought up before but i will bring it up again: if jimmy is in the game, i guarantee HE DOES NOT GET THAT SAME "blown coverage". Part of the reason that the coverage was "blown" is because of who was at QB. You're going to see that time and again. Trey is going to get different looks than jimmy would have gotten, the secondary/linebackers are going to react differently in a given situation because of who is at QB.

As for jimmy being more efficient.... i mean he led our team to 7 points in a half. He failed to convert 3rd down and shorts time and time and time again. Where is the efficiency?? As for "garbage time defense", Trey's first TD came in the 3rd quarter and after he settled down he drove the team down for another TD. The seahawks were not playing prevent defense at all so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

They weren't playing prevent defense, I promise that. They were playing a real soft C2.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's becoming increasingly unclear to me what exactly Trey can learn from Jimmy, that he wouldn't learn by just playing.

He can learn from our defense and our coaches. He can learn how to talk to the men from Jimmy. Trial by fire on a rookie QB is risky. ANd not just to their confidence, but to their body. Say Trey gets a season long injury because he isn't processing fast enough, because he didn't get those reps in practice when he can't get hit. Now his development NEXT off-season is at risk as well.

So, Jimmy I don't think is much better than Trey at this point. And I think Trey could be better at the end of the year. But now is not the time to find out. If Jimmy can go, let him. Seven more weeks of practice against our defense will help a lot for Trey.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

Efficient? He's put 7 pts on the board the past 3 games in the first half! He wasn't even on the field for the TD vs GB.

our D had 5 3 in outs vs Wilson to start off the game…Lance had 200 total yards, 2 TDs, and a 2 pt conversion in one half….was it pretty? Not always…how the hell are peoples expecting it to be at this pt for him.

Jimmy has been the opposite of efficient this yr…and guess what he's had blown coverages that's he's taken advantage of just as well

Youre kidding with the 2 yard pass and the 1 yard run touchdowns, where jimmy brought them down the field? Youre going to use that to backup your argument?

Come on, youre acting like we have a collective IQ of 81.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Hes not wrong. I said the same thing yesterday. Trey doesnt seem to be fast like fields or jaskson. He isnt elusive like wilson or murray. He doesnt seem to be very strong like hill and allen. I thought I was going to be blown away by his running, I havent been so far.

Trey Lance had a GPS tracked time at 21.54 MPH on this run.

That would of made him the 14th fastest ball carrier in the NFL last year right behind Will Fuller but ahead of AJ Brown.

Lamar Jackson's 2 fastest times in 2020 were at 20.64 and 20.52 MPH.👀#TreyLance #49ers pic.twitter.com/jdsuCpohjK

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) May 3, 2021

and that's at 6-4 225lbs

what's wrong with this run?

This is definitely Treys best run of the day. Extremely impressive play by him. pic.twitter.com/SsesKI4wZ5

— 49ersFilmFavorites (@49ers_Film) October 5, 2021

What are ppl watching when they say - he's not fast enough? I am guessing they're getting fooled by his size - bc he doesn't look like a blur like those midgetty QBs with their tiny steps they're talking about. But, when you see someone that big moving like that - it's easy to spot how special of an athlete they are. Can't believe ppl can't see that.

I remember in the draft room thread - ppl were saying - not sure his speed with translate to NFL bc he doesn't look fast and I was like - wttttffffff

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I've been saying this for weeks. Yet, here we are. People like narratives too much.

Literally everything I've said has been backed up by guys like Kyle Shanahan, Brian Baldinger, Mark Schlereth, Joe Staley, Greg Cosell. I've shown it in videos posted to this forum. Yet, people still, "Jonny just defends Jimmy no matter what".

Because people have been listening to guys like Joe Shasky, Bonta Hill, Brian Murphy, and Matt Maiocco about this QB controversy too much.

Stats don't lie, and stats are NOT in agreement with the anti-Jimmy narrative. I went into detail about it a few pages back, but of course it was thoroughly ignored. I've gone into detail about it on my podcast, but I don't want to spam this message board with advertising for my personal hobby. However, if people would like to hear my in depth Jimmy / Trey thoughts, I'll be happy to share a link if it's asked for.

Pointing the finger at Jimmy is easy to do and requires no critical thinking.

Jimmy is far from perfect and far from blameless, but statistically and performance wise, he is and has been among the higher portion of NFL QB's, but since it doesn't fit the narrative people want to hear, they just dismiss it.

Trey is the future, and needs to be developed in the best way possible to make the trade and investment we made in him worth it. Throwing him out there just to placate the message board fanatics and the hacks on 95.7 isn't going to do that.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

Neither was Trey. I painstakingly went through every snap in the second half of the 4th earlier in one of these two threads. Not one single time did Seattle play a prevent defense, and most of the time 10-11 guys were within 10-12 yards of the line of scrimmage before and immediately after the snap.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's becoming increasingly unclear to me what exactly Trey can learn from Jimmy, that he wouldn't learn by just playing.

I know he can learn by watching by film review and via coaching what to do and what not to do just by holding the clipboard as it pertains to what Jimmy is or is not doing

Now the thing is I'm not sure he can't learn that or more by playing but the fear is will his confidence be shot if he struggles early?

I truly believe that this is why we are rolling with Jimmy this season as Jimmy knows this offense and thus he allows Lance to
learn and redshirt

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Efficient? He's put 7 pts on the board the past 3 games in the first half! He wasn't even on the field for the TD vs GB.

our D had 5 3 in outs vs Wilson to start off the game…Lance had 200 total yards, 2 TDs, and a 2 pt conversion in one half….was it pretty? Not always…how the hell are peoples expecting it to be at this pt for him.

Jimmy has been the opposite of efficient this yr…and guess what he's had blown coverages that's he's taken advantage of just as well

The TD against Green Bay wouldn't have even happened if Brandon Aiyuk had caught the gimme TD from Jimmy just a play or 2 earlier.

Jimmy is averaging 264 yards a game on 67% completions and 7.8 YPA. If Aiyuk holds onto that gimme TD and his TD in Detroit isn't poached by Trey Lance, he's also got 2 TD's / game with those averages, while throwing .5 INT's / game.

Tell me again how Jimmy hasn't been efficient and this is all his fault

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's becoming increasingly unclear to me what exactly Trey can learn from Jimmy, that he wouldn't learn by just playing.

I know he can learn by watching by film review and via coaching what to do and what not to do just by holding the clipboard as it pertains to what Jimmy is or is not doing

Now the thing is I'm not sure he can't learn that or more by playing but the fear is will his confidence be shot if he struggles early?

I truly believe that this is why we are rolling with Jimmy this season as Jimmy knows this offense and thus he allows Lance to
learn and redshirt

Risking his confidence isn't the only concern (but it's not too much of one, IMHO). Risking losing the team is a MUCH bigger concern, as well as injury with Trey which could potentially harm next year's development as well.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Youre kidding with the 2 yard pass and the 1 yard run touchdowns, where jimmy brought them down the field? Youre going to use that to backup your argument?

Come on, youre acting like we have a collective IQ of 81.

Jimmy had like 6 chances from inside the 5 yard line against GB and couldn't get it into the endzone.... Trey got it into the endzone. I don't care if it was from 1 or 2 yards out. Also on that drive, jimmy didn't do much. Cannon returned the kick to the packers 20 and it took us like 11 plays to go 20 yards lol

As for the first TD pass Trey had, it was open because the lions were so scared of him running and that's sometimes the benefit you're going to get with having a guy that is a dual threat. I agree anyone could make that open pass, but not any QB would get that look/confusion from the defense

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's becoming increasingly unclear to me what exactly Trey can learn from Jimmy, that he wouldn't learn by just playing.

He can learn from our defense and our coaches. He can learn how to talk to the men from Jimmy. Trial by fire on a rookie QB is risky. ANd not just to their confidence, but to their body. Say Trey gets a season long injury because he isn't processing fast enough, because he didn't get those reps in practice when he can't get hit. Now his development NEXT off-season is at risk as well.

So, Jimmy I don't think is much better than Trey at this point. And I think Trey could be better at the end of the year. But now is not the time to find out. If Jimmy can go, let him. Seven more weeks of practice against our defense will help a lot for Trey.

Good sensible post