Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

True, different running styles. Trey runs like a little bigger and slightly slower Justin Fields. But like Kaep, neither standout amongst today's crop of running QB's. Even guys like Kyler Murray, Taysom Hill, and Russell Wilson have something special about their running ability even when compared to other athletic QB's. Trey doesn't.

Yeah I have no clue what games All22 is watching. Weird ass takes.

Originally posted by All22:
I'm black so check yourselves on that "if Trey was white" crap.

Josh Allen runs like Cam Newton. Big, Powerful, and a highlight reel.
Trey runs like Dak Prescott or Daniel Jones. Good but not amazing ala Kyler Murray, Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, or pre-injury RG3.
And yes, his windup is huge and he throws the ball way too hard just like Kaep.

I just don't see him being 2 firsts better than Justin Fields.

I could careless if your black, white, red, green...people do it subconsciously AGAIN if he was white & didn't have tats no one would say he's Kap. This has NOTHING to do about what your skin color is...so relax there

Putting Daniel Jones and Trey Lance in the same breath as runners is a joke.

No his "windup" isn't huge...it's not more elongated than Mahomes or Wilson. What's funny is you bring up Fields (who I wanted as well) and you're complaining about throwing motions.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Just to add on... Kyle even mentioned coaching mechanics is done in the offseason typically while the QB is on their own. Its why these offseason QB gurus exist. With the CBA there just isnt enough time to give a QB enough reps to completely change their mechanics. Whats the rule... 10,000 reps to master something? No chance that can happen with the limited time players get on the field anymore.

I refuse the belief that you do not work during practice to make guys better. esp qb. you have a qb coach. what does he do during practice. even if they did not expect trey to play sunday.. when he was thrust into the fire... if kyle is this genius we are told.. he should have had some plays to make trey feel comfortable. again.. jimmy is the same guy he was when he got here. some posters here totally absolve kyle of any problems with this team.. so he bears no responsibility our quarterbacks are lackluster. with what has happened this year so far... kyle should be placed more under a microscope. why keep running reverses to deebo. why do a reverse to kittle.. some act like. he is totally blameless in this season what does look like it is unraveling.. and what was a win now montra is now.... growing pains and moral victories

They go through drills to help mechanics... like the tennis balls or lacross sticks simulating defenders hands. Or they will mention some foot work, like "you dipped your shoulder that time."

But none of that will change mechanics under pressure and instantly fix an issue. It will help slightly but not fully. There is only so much time in a practice and most of that goes towards the next opponent or learning the playbook, especially for a rookie. Fixing muscle memory takes more reps and time than are available under the CBA. So you can refuse to believe whatever you want, coaches coach with what they have. Putting Lance through drills to fix his muscle memory takes away from drills to develop chemistry with his WRs or helping his O line learn his tendencies or plays designed for the next opponent.

The same with any practice in any sport. After stretching you spend however long doing drills, usually 30-45ish minutes and then jump into preparing for the next opponent. But its also drill to drill to drill trying to enforce different techniques. Not one drill with a coach specifically focusing on you for an hour on end trying to fix a tendency. That is an offseason thing. Fixing muscle memory or techniques requires focus and countless reps. He may pick up something he did wrong but then its on to the next session. He may get 10 reps to work on it rather than the 100 he may need every day.

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

Outside of one drive, the starting QB was incredibly inefficient as well.

We have a QB problem, and will continue to have one until Lance is ready.

Originally posted by jcs:
Playing back yard football but not going to win games down the road and is going to limit our best weapon our HC/OC.

Im just telling you what happened on Sunday. Trey lance came in at halftime with no 1st team reps and out performed our veteran starter. Those are objective, quantifiable things.

I'm not claiming I was blown away by Trey but to hear people like you recount the game, you'd have thought he put up no scoring drives, had a bunch of turnovers & couldn't complete a pass.

Relax and give Trey some space to grow/learn. One day I'm confident he will win you over!

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

he put up 200 yards of offense, 2 TDs and a 2-pt conversion in a half of football...and yet you're the Jimmy apologist bringing up being inconsistent lol? You want to talk about an offense stalling go watch the first half of the last 3 games...s**t 5 straight 3 and outs on Sunday from our D and Jimmy an Co could only get 7 points? You telling me Lance couldn't have get 7 points?

Putting points on the board is what matters....that's what I've been told in here.

You don't get to "learn" the game plan by being the scout QB during practice...not sure how many times people have to hear this and still not get it.

Just get the feeling that Trey is going going to be really good. I see someone whose weaknesses are mechanics and lack of playing time, both will be improved with time. He has a good feel for the game which is one of the most important things for a QB.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Yep, and take a look at how some in the media are going ga ga for Mac (pedestrian performances based on short/safe passing, 1-3 record, putting up minimal points). It's pretty wild if not predictable

Dude looks exactly like Dalton during his first season as the starter. He's "safe" but will neve be a super star in the league. Jones has as many TDs as Lance with 220 more snaps lol.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

We need a starter who doesn't do this:


"This is not a new issue for Jimmy G, and that is, you know, just unfortunate at this stage in his career where he's not seeing the field, and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon, because we've seen these same mistakes over and over again." Posey's words, but he's right.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude looks exactly like Dalton during his first season as the starter. He's "safe" but will neve be a super star in the league. Jones has as many TDs as Lance with 220 more snaps lol.

Correct. And that is totally fine for Mac. There is nothing wrong with being a slow & steady average starter. Put a top notch defense around him and a few playmakers, you will have a competitive team.

There is a reason he dropped to 15 in a league desperate for QBs

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

We need a starter who doesn't do this:


"This is not a new issue for Jimmy G, and that is, you know, just unfortunate at this stage in his career where he's not seeing the field, and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon, because we've seen these same mistakes over and over again." Posey's words, but he's right.

Ypure acting as if Seattle was just playing a garden variety defense there.

This is what I find quite perplexing. People put a sound bite in plays like this, but Seattle was running an invert-2 something I've only seen them run maybe 2 times in 3 or 4 years. Very rare for them. Changes up the key read defenders. The fact that they felt the need to do this should say something and Diggs made a great play, Jimmy even pump fake and it didn't move Diggs much.

Also, I've seen this so many times. Teams will disguise and shift coverage pre-post like crazy. Yet people act like teams are just gonna come out and squat down cause they ain't worried.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Just to add on... Kyle even mentioned coaching mechanics is done in the offseason typically while the QB is on their own. Its why these offseason QB gurus exist. With the CBA there just isnt enough time to give a QB enough reps to completely change their mechanics. Whats the rule... 10,000 reps to master something? No chance that can happen with the limited time players get on the field anymore.

Yup I think he's been quoted on that a couple times...there was a reason he wanted lance to work on his mechanics with Beck between OTAs and TC. The whole HC develops players thing is old and outdated. The HC's job is to put his players in spots to be successful. Call plays to his strengths.

Perfect examples are Adam Gase and well everyone lol (mainly the QBs) Tannehill was regarded as trash towards the end of his time in Miami, only to play himself into another massive contract in Tenn. He started as the backup that season and then took over and played highly efficient football. Coach put him in a position to be successful. He wasn't "developed" as a backup into a pro-bowler in half a season....Example #2 Sam Darnold...everyone called him trash in here and wanted no part of him. Look at him in Carolina right now. He's playing high end football, he wasn't "developed" in an off season...coach just put him in a position to be successful. THAT'S their job.

I believe you said it earlier...the people that have been saying he needs to sit to "learn" are the same people calling him a bust or complaining about his play on Sunday lol. They want him to develop but don't want him to play so he can actually develop and improve. f**king weird.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Ya'll better start Lance on your fantasy football leagues this week.

Lol been thinking about it. Rodgers is my starter and only got 30 last week, Trey got 27 in on half.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

True, different running styles. Trey runs like a little bigger and slightly slower Justin Fields. But like Kaep, neither standout amongst today's crop of running QB's. Even guys like Kyler Murray, Taysom Hill, and Russell Wilson have something special about their running ability even when compared to other athletic QB's. Trey doesn't.

Hes not wrong. I said the same thing yesterday. Trey doesnt seem to be fast like fields or jaskson. He isnt elusive like wilson or murray. He doesnt seem to be very strong like hill and allen. I thought I was going to be blown away by his running, I havent been so far.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

True, different running styles. Trey runs like a little bigger and slightly slower Justin Fields. But like Kaep, neither standout amongst today's crop of running QB's. Even guys like Kyler Murray, Taysom Hill, and Russell Wilson have something special about their running ability even when compared to other athletic QB's. Trey doesn't.

Hes not wrong. I said the same thing yesterday. Trey doesnt seem to be fast like fields or jaskson. He isnt elusive like wilson or murray. He doesnt seem to be very strong like hill and allen. I thought I was going to be blown away by his running, I havent been so far.

He's 21 years old. Do you really think his body won't change 4 years from now?