Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

That most recent crock talk episode with Greg Panelli brought up a good point. Why was Kyle running plays that aren't what the niners do and aren't what Trey did in college? Trey didn't run that gun/pistol read options stuff constantly. We hardly had trey under center which was supposed to be one of his strong point. Really odd decision making by Kyle.

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

Lastly - Kap was 24 year old rookie. Lance turned 21 after getting drafted. lol comparing the two is super casual.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
That most recent crock talk episode with Greg Panelli brought up a good point. Why was Kyle running plays that aren't what the niners do and aren't what Trey did in college? Trey didn't run that gun/pistol read options stuff constantly. We hardly had trey under center which was supposed to be one of his strong point. Really odd decision making by Kyle.

I don't think Kyle knew Trey was going to be forced into action, and therefore didn't have a game plan tailored towards him. Let's see what plays they run next week vs AZ with a week to prepare.

edited: no point in giving attention to a conversation about a dumb topic.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

some of us are wondering what type of coaching he is getting to make himself better.

Coaching in-season to develop is a joke overall...in season is about recovery, film, and weekly game planning. It's not like they're running two a days and 3 hr practices anymore. There just isn't time to work one on one with a player all day. Things like mechanics overall are worked on and fixed in the off season.

Sure he can learn the nuances of the playbook and watch film, that's all great and fine.... He can learn how to prepare like a pro or whatever that even means. BUT live reps and game speed situations are what will make him better and become more confident in playing the position. I've been saying this from day 1 and got all the push back in the world with the"LoOK At MaHOmes" crap. Yes he's a unicorn freak who does A LOT of s**t wrong as far as quarterbacking goes (especially early in his career), but he got by with his stupid talent and made ridiculous plays that only a handful of QBs can make (plus he has a great roster/HC). Playing football has ultimately got him better at playing the position...weird.

It's like people in here never played sports and if you did, you legit think you got better by sitting the bench lol. Come on now, we all know that's not true.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

some of us are wondering what type of coaching he is getting to make himself better.

Coaching in-season to develop is a joke overall...in season is about recovery, film, and weekly game planning. It's not like they're running two a days and 3 hr practices anymore. There just isn't time to work one on one with a player all day. Things like mechanics overall are worked on and fixed in the off season.

Sure he can learn the nuances of the playbook and watch film, that's all great and fine.... He can learn how to prepare like a pro or whatever that even means. BUT live reps and game speed situations are what will make him better and become more confident in playing the position. I've been saying this from day 1 and got all the push back in the world with the"LoOK At MaHOmes" crap. Yes he's a unicorn freak who does A LOT of s**t wrong as far as quarterbacking goes (especially early in his career), but he got by with his stupid talent and made ridiculous plays that only a handful of QBs can make (plus he has a great roster/HC). Playing football has ultimately got him better at playing the position...weird.

It's like people in here never played sports and if you did, you legit think you got better by sitting the bench lol. Come on now, we all know that's not true.

Just to add on... Kyle even mentioned coaching mechanics is done in the offseason typically while the QB is on their own. Its why these offseason QB gurus exist. With the CBA there just isnt enough time to give a QB enough reps to completely change their mechanics. Whats the rule... 10,000 reps to master something? No chance that can happen with the limited time players get on the field anymore.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

That's an unrealistic expectation of any backup QB considering how few reps they get in practice each week. Knowing the gameplan and having practiced it are two different things.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

What is even the point of that? Jimmy gets hurt every year and we have a back up behind him playing more than him. Those backups can't win you games.

Once we invested so much in a rookie QB - we shouldn't have had an injury prone earning $26M QB on the roster. This is not an anti- Jimmy G post. Either they should have gone in the season all-in on Jimmy or all-in on a new QB. They tried to do both and are getting burned.

That money could have been spent on improving the roster or re-signing some of our guys - or moved into next year's cap room and then we could have loaded this roster with Lance getting this year to get ready for 2022 season.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by All22:
Trey reminds me a lot of Kaepernick. A good runner but not special and throws the short and medium stuff with less touch and accuracy than you'd like.

Careful, that analogy has been forbidden by the thought police.

No, it was just covered. Ad nauseam. A few hundred pages back.

imagine if Trey was white...wouldn't hear a peep about it. Probably compare him to a young Josh Allen.....not a "special" runner (even though he got clocked at 21.54 MPH which would have been the fastest QB last yr and 12th fastest play in 2020). Go look at Josh Allen's short/medium throws in college/rookie yr...dude was trying to throw it through people.

BUT you know it has nothing to do with the color of their skin at all. Man people are lazy.

Josh Allen is the comparison he SHOULD be getting and yes, WOULD if he were white. Probably even draw some Young compares. It's weird how the laziest people make me so much more tired…

I'm black so check yourselves on that "if Trey was white" crap.

Josh Allen runs like Cam Newton. Big, Powerful, and a highlight reel.
Trey runs like Dak Prescott or Daniel Jones. Good but not amazing ala Kyler Murray, Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, or pre-injury RG3.
And yes, his windup is huge and he throws the ball way too hard just like Kaep.

I just don't see him being 2 firsts better than Justin Fields.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
imagine if Trey was white...wouldn't hear a peep about it. Probably compare him to a young Josh Allen.....not a "special" runner (even though he got clocked at 21.54 MPH which would have been the fastest QB last yr and 12th fastest play in 2020). Go look at Josh Allen's short/medium throws in college/rookie yr...dude was trying to throw it through people.

BUT you know it has nothing to do with the color of their skin at all. Man people are lazy.

Yep, and take a look at how some in the media are going ga ga for Mac (pedestrian performances based on short/safe passing, 1-3 record, putting up minimal points). It's pretty wild if not predictable

All this will be put to bed on Sunday. 100% chance Trey starts. The Jimmy might start non sense is having the cards prepare for both. Jimmy's nor George's injuries ever heal fast

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Does Mac Jones and his 70 passer rating look good?

Not sure what he has to do with this, but yeah. He looks good for a rookie with zero explosive weapons. He's cerebral and in control.

I think you should go be a Patriots fan. Your heart isn't with the future of the Niners. Bye.

You sure whine a lot.

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

The entire QB situation is an agenda from the beginning.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

True, different running styles. Trey runs like a little bigger and slightly slower Justin Fields. But like Kaep, neither standout amongst today's crop of running QB's. Even guys like Kyler Murray, Taysom Hill, and Russell Wilson have something special about their running ability even when compared to other athletic QB's. Trey doesn't.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

What is even the point of that? Jimmy gets hurt every year and we have a back up behind him playing more than him. Those backups can't win you games.

Once we invested so much in a rookie QB - we shouldn't have had an injury prone earning $26M QB on the roster. This is not an anti- Jimmy G post. Either they should have gone in the season all-in on Jimmy or all-in on a new QB. They tried to do both and are getting burned.

That money could have been spent on improving the roster or re-signing some of our guys - or moved into next year's cap room and then we could have loaded this roster with Lance getting this year to get ready for 2022 season.

If Jimmy is indeed the QB this season as long as he can play then it becomes an issue that our backup can't run the same plays if he does go down at any point in a game. It doesn't just effect his position but the entire offense when they can't focus on the original game plan because the backup needs something different. Trey needs to be able to run Jimmy's plays or we need another #2 as an emergency QB with Trey as the #3 whom we start if Jimmy goes down for any length of time.