Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by jcs:
If Jimmy is indeed the QB this season as long as he can play then it becomes an issue that our backup can't run the same plays if he does go down at any point in a game. It doesn't just effect his position but the entire offense when they can't focus on the original game plan because the backup needs something different. Trey needs to be able to run Jimmy's plays or we need another #2 as an emergency QB with Trey as the #3 who whom we start if Jimmy goes down for any length of time.

Cam Newton is available.

Ya'll better start Lance on your fantasy football leagues this week.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

True, different running styles. Trey runs like a little bigger and slightly slower Justin Fields. But like Kaep, neither standout amongst today's crop of running QB's. Even guys like Kyler Murray, Taysom Hill, and Russell Wilson have something special about their running ability even when compared to other athletic QB's. Trey doesn't.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

What is even the point of that? Jimmy gets hurt every year and we have a back up behind him playing more than him. Those backups can't win you games.

Once we invested so much in a rookie QB - we shouldn't have had an injury prone earning $26M QB on the roster. This is not an anti- Jimmy G post. Either they should have gone in the season all-in on Jimmy or all-in on a new QB. They tried to do both and are getting burned.

That money could have been spent on improving the roster or re-signing some of our guys - or moved into next year's cap room and then we could have loaded this roster with Lance getting this year to get ready for 2022 season.

If Jimmy is indeed the QB this season as long as he can play then it becomes an issue that our backup can't run the same plays if he does go down at any point in a game. It doesn't just effect his position but the entire offense when they can't focus on the original game plan because the backup needs something different. Trey needs to be able to run Jimmy's plays or we need another #2 as an emergency QB with Trey as the #3 whom we start if Jimmy goes down for any length of time.

Again - don't see a point. Not like backup can come in and win games. We have done this 3 of the last 4 years with poor results. No need to keep doing the same thing.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

True, different running styles. Trey runs like a little bigger and slightly slower Justin Fields. But like Kaep, neither standout amongst today's crop of running QB's. Even guys like Kyler Murray, Taysom Hill, and Russell Wilson have something special about their running ability even when compared to other athletic QB's. Trey doesn't.

I don't know how anyone can watch Lance play on Sunday and come away with - he's not a special runner. That's another level of casual-ness.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

I think the issue is the fact that we don't have an experienced backup behind Jimmy this year and are riding that role with a rookie. You expect the backup to know the game plan and to have prepared like the starter over the week so they can come in and not skip a beat. Add to this the reality that our Starting QB is injury prone we should all expecting a little more from the backup. The solution IMO is to have 3 QB's on the roster so we always have a veteran back there that can execute the actual game plan in an emergency while we prepare Trey for the future.

What is even the point of that? Jimmy gets hurt every year and we have a back up behind him playing more than him. Those backups can't win you games.

Once we invested so much in a rookie QB - we shouldn't have had an injury prone earning $26M QB on the roster. This is not an anti- Jimmy G post. Either they should have gone in the season all-in on Jimmy or all-in on a new QB. They tried to do both and are getting burned.

That money could have been spent on improving the roster or re-signing some of our guys - or moved into next year's cap room and then we could have loaded this roster with Lance getting this year to get ready for 2022 season.

If Jimmy is indeed the QB this season as long as he can play then it becomes an issue that our backup can't run the same plays if he does go down at any point in a game. It doesn't just effect his position but the entire offense when they can't focus on the original game plan because the backup needs something different. Trey needs to be able to run Jimmy's plays or we need another #2 as an emergency QB with Trey as the #3 whom we start if Jimmy goes down for any length of time.

Again - don't see a point. Not like backup can come in and win games. We have done this 3 of the last 4 years with poor results. No need to keep doing the same thing.

Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

The offense was stalling way before Trey ever got in.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Just to add on... Kyle even mentioned coaching mechanics is done in the offseason typically while the QB is on their own. Its why these offseason QB gurus exist. With the CBA there just isnt enough time to give a QB enough reps to completely change their mechanics. Whats the rule... 10,000 reps to master something? No chance that can happen with the limited time players get on the field anymore.

I refuse the belief that you do not work during practice to make guys better. esp qb. you have a qb coach. what does he do during practice. even if they did not expect trey to play sunday.. when he was thrust into the fire... if kyle is this genius we are told.. he should have had some plays to make trey feel comfortable. again.. jimmy is the same guy he was when he got here. some posters here totally absolve kyle of any problems with this team.. so he bears no responsibility our quarterbacks are lackluster. with what has happened this year so far... kyle should be placed more under a microscope. why keep running reverses to deebo. why do a reverse to kittle.. some act like. he is totally blameless in this season what does look like it is unraveling.. and what was a win now montra is now.... growing pains and moral victories

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

The offense was stalling way before Trey ever got in.

No it was moving up until Kyle got cute. Look at the yards difference and TOP in the first half.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Just to add on... Kyle even mentioned coaching mechanics is done in the offseason typically while the QB is on their own. Its why these offseason QB gurus exist. With the CBA there just isnt enough time to give a QB enough reps to completely change their mechanics. Whats the rule... 10,000 reps to master something? No chance that can happen with the limited time players get on the field anymore.

I refuse the belief that you do not work during practice to make guys better. esp qb. you have a qb coach. what does he do during practice. even if they did not expect trey to play sunday.. when he was thrust into the fire... if kyle is this genius we are told.. he should have had some plays to make trey feel comfortable. again.. jimmy is the same guy he was when he got here. some posters here totally absolve kyle of any problems with this team.. so he bears no responsibility our quarterbacks are lackluster. with what has happened this year so far... kyle should be placed more under a microscope. why keep running reverses to deebo. why do a reverse to kittle.. some act like. he is totally blameless in this season what does look like it is unraveling.. and what was a win now montra is now.... growing pains and moral victories

There is video out there of a guy called Joe Montana talking about the nightmares he had as a QB of B.Walsh pressing him on his drop back, timing and feet. Coaches do coach during the regular season...just not all of them do.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The comparisons to Kaepernick are so lazy. Trey has so much more nuance and feel for the QB position. Kaep was just an athlete running around making plays, totally unsustainable. Trey's footwork and throwing mechanics, despite needing a lot of improvement, are far better than Kaep's ever were.

They don't even run the same way. Kap was pure speed and long strides made the defenders take bad angles - only to see him run by. Lance has way more agility and change of direction.

Lastly - Kap was 24 year old rookie. Lance turned 21 after getting drafted. lol comparing the two is super casual.

This is about as nice as one can put it. Lol.

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

The backup QB put up more yards and points than the starter though...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's weird to me that all the ppl who said - Lance is way too raw and not ready to play this season (and even maybe next season) are the same ppl who are quick to judge him on 1 half of football - where he was not supposed to come in and play. Not only that - they're judging his performance with a bias lens also - bc he was actually pretty decent for the situation he was in - and better than all the 1st round QBs in their first half this season.

lol

Ppl with agendas have agendas.

some of us are wondering what type of coaching he is getting to make himself better.

Coaching in-season to develop is a joke overall...in season is about recovery, film, and weekly game planning. It's not like they're running two a days and 3 hr practices anymore. There just isn't time to work one on one with a player all day. Things like mechanics overall are worked on and fixed in the off season.

Sure he can learn the nuances of the playbook and watch film, that's all great and fine.... He can learn how to prepare like a pro or whatever that even means. BUT live reps and game speed situations are what will make him better and become more confident in playing the position. I've been saying this from day 1 and got all the push back in the world with the"LoOK At MaHOmes" crap. Yes he's a unicorn freak who does A LOT of s**t wrong as far as quarterbacking goes (especially early in his career), but he got by with his stupid talent and made ridiculous plays that only a handful of QBs can make (plus he has a great roster/HC). Playing football has ultimately got him better at playing the position...weird.

It's like people in here never played sports and if you did, you legit think you got better by sitting the bench lol. Come on now, we all know that's not true.

I imagine those criticizing Trey want him to be doing more of this lol

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

The backup QB put up more yards and points than the starter though...

but he didn't look pretty to the eye

TDs only count if they satisfy a subjective standard known only to the lucky few

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by jcs:
Because you expect your emergency backup to run your game plan and execute the offense enough to give the rest of your team a chance. Especially on this team with a playcaller who is always thinking 5-6 steps ahead. Lance was exciting to watch as the emergency QB but he was incredibly inefficient and at times the offense completely stalled because he was evacuating the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure. It hampers what the rest of the team can do if the kid needs special plays because it becomes off script when he can't execute.

IMO either he learns the game plan enough to not skip a beat or we get someone in there who can if Jimmy goes down again mid game. Now if Jimmy can't start for a few weeks then go with the kid and see what he can do with a complete game plan around his own individual strengths.

The backup QB put up more yards and points than the starter though...

Playing back yard football but not going to win games down the road and is going to limit our best weapon our HC/OC.