Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Cheers NY, it always makes me laugh people trying to jump on Kyle's play calling. Dude is playing 4D chess, he doesn't care if he loses a few pieces he's plotting the checkmate.

For me it's never been Trey vs Jimmy, it's what Kyle can do with Trey at his disposal. Combine that with what Trey will be when he's developed and it's an easy decision for me.

If I were Jimmy I'd do everything I could to play this week, I think it'll be the last we see of him as our starting QB if he doesn't.

Not saying Trey will light up the Cards, but with the development of that game and the starters reps in the bye week and Kyle should be confident enough to start him.

Yeah man, the possibilities with Kyle and Lance are pretty wild. It's for sure not gonna happen overnight and for the love of god 49er fans need to understand and accept this.

Watching Herbert last night and I was like man why can't that be Lance? Both are really football smart, cannon arms, mobile, big, great work ethic etc. The major difference was Herbert just has a lot more football under his belt and got thrown into the mix in what week 2 last yr?

Watching Lance on Sunday you could see him getting antsy in the pocket, he missed some reads and his footwork overall wasn't relaxed and calm (like Herbert). You could tell he wasn't prepared to be back there and just amped up to go make plays...Once he becomes more confident in the pocket and his reads pre/post, the footwork will be so much better.

Gonna take time and that will require him to actually play football...

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Lance is already better than Mac.

What's funny is the people who think that one half of football for a rookie is all they needed to see. This generation is really special lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Cheers NY, it always makes me laugh people trying to jump on Kyle's play calling. Dude is playing 4D chess, he doesn't care if he loses a few pieces he's plotting the checkmate.

For me it's never been Trey vs Jimmy, it's what Kyle can do with Trey at his disposal. Combine that with what Trey will be when he's developed and it's an easy decision for me.

If I were Jimmy I'd do everything I could to play this week, I think it'll be the last we see of him as our starting QB if he doesn't.

Not saying Trey will light up the Cards, but with the development of that game and the starters reps in the bye week and Kyle should be confident enough to start him.

Yeah man, the possibilities with Kyle and Lance are pretty wild. It's for sure not gonna happen overnight and for the love of god 49er fans need to understand and accept this.

Watching Herbert last night and I was like man why can't that be Lance? Both are really football smart, cannon arms, mobile, big, great work ethic etc. The major difference was Herbert just has a lot more football under his belt and got thrown into the mix in what week 2 last yr?

Watching Lance on Sunday you could see him getting antsy in the pocket, he missed some reads and his footwork overall wasn't relaxed and calm (like Herbert). You could tell he wasn't prepared to be back there and just amped up to go make plays...Once he becomes more confident in the pocket and his reads pre/post, the footwork will be so much better.

Gonna take time and that will require him to actually play football...

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Lance is already better than Mac.

Max so pedestrian. 1/1 TD/INT ratio so meh.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Does Mac Jones and his 70 passer rating look good?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Cheers NY, it always makes me laugh people trying to jump on Kyle's play calling. Dude is playing 4D chess, he doesn't care if he loses a few pieces he's plotting the checkmate.

For me it's never been Trey vs Jimmy, it's what Kyle can do with Trey at his disposal. Combine that with what Trey will be when he's developed and it's an easy decision for me.

If I were Jimmy I'd do everything I could to play this week, I think it'll be the last we see of him as our starting QB if he doesn't.

Not saying Trey will light up the Cards, but with the development of that game and the starters reps in the bye week and Kyle should be confident enough to start him.

Yeah man, the possibilities with Kyle and Lance are pretty wild. It's for sure not gonna happen overnight and for the love of god 49er fans need to understand and accept this.

Watching Herbert last night and I was like man why can't that be Lance? Both are really football smart, cannon arms, mobile, big, great work ethic etc. The major difference was Herbert just has a lot more football under his belt and got thrown into the mix in what week 2 last yr?

Watching Lance on Sunday you could see him getting antsy in the pocket, he missed some reads and his footwork overall wasn't relaxed and calm (like Herbert). You could tell he wasn't prepared to be back there and just amped up to go make plays...Once he becomes more confident in the pocket and his reads pre/post, the footwork will be so much better.

Gonna take time and that will require him to actually play football...

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Lance is already better than Mac.

What's funny is the people who think that one half of football for a rookie is all they needed to see. This generation is really special lol

It doesn't matter how many reps he's had, he cannot play from the pocket. That's what a qb HAS to do to be successful. He's a long way from being able to do that. If he starts, it would take all of Shannahans magic just for him to complete 50% of his passes. I haven't seen a first round pick not be able to complete a slant pass consistently. He has no touch, pocket awareness, or anticipation.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Does Mac Jones and his 70 passer rating look good?

Not sure what he has to do with this, but yeah. He looks good for a rookie with zero explosive weapons. He's cerebral and in control.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Cheers NY, it always makes me laugh people trying to jump on Kyle's play calling. Dude is playing 4D chess, he doesn't care if he loses a few pieces he's plotting the checkmate.

For me it's never been Trey vs Jimmy, it's what Kyle can do with Trey at his disposal. Combine that with what Trey will be when he's developed and it's an easy decision for me.

If I were Jimmy I'd do everything I could to play this week, I think it'll be the last we see of him as our starting QB if he doesn't.

Not saying Trey will light up the Cards, but with the development of that game and the starters reps in the bye week and Kyle should be confident enough to start him.

Yeah man, the possibilities with Kyle and Lance are pretty wild. It's for sure not gonna happen overnight and for the love of god 49er fans need to understand and accept this.

Watching Herbert last night and I was like man why can't that be Lance? Both are really football smart, cannon arms, mobile, big, great work ethic etc. The major difference was Herbert just has a lot more football under his belt and got thrown into the mix in what week 2 last yr?

Watching Lance on Sunday you could see him getting antsy in the pocket, he missed some reads and his footwork overall wasn't relaxed and calm (like Herbert). You could tell he wasn't prepared to be back there and just amped up to go make plays...Once he becomes more confident in the pocket and his reads pre/post, the footwork will be so much better.

Gonna take time and that will require him to actually play football...

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Lance is already better than Mac.

What's funny is the people who think that one half of football for a rookie is all they needed to see. This generation is really special lol

It's a special kind of dumb

I hope Trey doesn't bust.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Does Mac Jones and his 70 passer rating look good?

Not sure what he has to do with this, but yeah. He looks good for a rookie with zero explosive weapons. He's cerebral and in control.

LOL, at "looking cerebral." Trey has as many TDs and zero turnovers.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Cheers NY, it always makes me laugh people trying to jump on Kyle's play calling. Dude is playing 4D chess, he doesn't care if he loses a few pieces he's plotting the checkmate.

For me it's never been Trey vs Jimmy, it's what Kyle can do with Trey at his disposal. Combine that with what Trey will be when he's developed and it's an easy decision for me.

If I were Jimmy I'd do everything I could to play this week, I think it'll be the last we see of him as our starting QB if he doesn't.

Not saying Trey will light up the Cards, but with the development of that game and the starters reps in the bye week and Kyle should be confident enough to start him.

Yeah man, the possibilities with Kyle and Lance are pretty wild. It's for sure not gonna happen overnight and for the love of god 49er fans need to understand and accept this.

Watching Herbert last night and I was like man why can't that be Lance? Both are really football smart, cannon arms, mobile, big, great work ethic etc. The major difference was Herbert just has a lot more football under his belt and got thrown into the mix in what week 2 last yr?

Watching Lance on Sunday you could see him getting antsy in the pocket, he missed some reads and his footwork overall wasn't relaxed and calm (like Herbert). You could tell he wasn't prepared to be back there and just amped up to go make plays...Once he becomes more confident in the pocket and his reads pre/post, the footwork will be so much better.

Gonna take time and that will require him to actually play football...

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Lance is already better than Mac.

What's funny is the people who think that one half of football for a rookie is all they needed to see. This generation is really special lol

It doesn't matter how many reps he's had, he cannot play from the pocket. That's what a qb HAS to do to be successful. He's a long way from being able to do that. If he starts, it would take all of Shannahans magic just for him to complete 50% of his passes. I haven't seen a first round pick not be able to complete a slant pass consistently. He has no touch, pocket awareness, or anticipation.

Bookmarked

Mac Jones throws as many INTs as TDs, so cerebral.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Does Mac Jones and his 70 passer rating look good?

Not sure what he has to do with this, but yeah. He looks good for a rookie with zero explosive weapons. He's cerebral and in control.

So a game manager? Yeah, that's what I see too. The guy threw one pass over 20 yards vs Tampa Bay and it was intercepted largely because he doesn't have the arm to push the ball downfield. If we had drafted him you'd have seen a comparable player to what we have with Jimmy.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Bookmarked

Mac Jones throws as many INTs as TDs, so cerebral.

Cant forget a near league worst 6 ypa. But he has a high completion %!!!! Cerebral!

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Only he did play from the pocket at NDSU. Dude played under center more than any QB in this draft. He ran more pro-style plays then anyone in this draft. He actually had to call protections and wasn't getting stupid card calls from the sideline, they were long drawn out play calls THAT he had to then change based on the coverage.

The only thing he's missing is more snaps, that's it. What he did have for snaps in NDSU was legit on passing downs...It wasn't a s**t ton of bubble screens and just calling out where the MIKE is.

Ok so he has played from the pocket and still looks like he has tremors in a clean one? That's even worse buddy. Name one other qb in the nfl who looks that spastic and uncomfortable from the pocket.
There's not one.

Does Mac Jones and his 70 passer rating look good?

Not sure what he has to do with this, but yeah. He looks good for a rookie with zero explosive weapons. He's cerebral and in control.

So a game manager? Yeah, that's what I see too. The guy threw one pass over 20 yards vs Tampa Bay and it was intercepted largely because he doesn't have the arm to push the ball downfield. If we had drafted him you'd have seen a comparable player to what we have with Jimmy.

Jones looks more comfortable standing in the pocket and appears to have good ball placement in the short/medium throws. Everyone knew Jones was more ready to start this year than maybe any other rookie qb in this draft. He's comfortable in the pocket because he knows he's not scrambling for a first down and stays in a phone booth area. Lance has the potential to be much better than Jones, and only coaching and time will tell the tale. He hasn't had enough of either and anyone declaring him a bust or great at this point is foolish.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Cheers NY, it always makes me laugh people trying to jump on Kyle's play calling. Dude is playing 4D chess, he doesn't care if he loses a few pieces he's plotting the checkmate.

For me it's never been Trey vs Jimmy, it's what Kyle can do with Trey at his disposal. Combine that with what Trey will be when he's developed and it's an easy decision for me.

If I were Jimmy I'd do everything I could to play this week, I think it'll be the last we see of him as our starting QB if he doesn't.

Not saying Trey will light up the Cards, but with the development of that game and the starters reps in the bye week and Kyle should be confident enough to start him.

Yeah man, the possibilities with Kyle and Lance are pretty wild. It's for sure not gonna happen overnight and for the love of god 49er fans need to understand and accept this.

Watching Herbert last night and I was like man why can't that be Lance? Both are really football smart, cannon arms, mobile, big, great work ethic etc. The major difference was Herbert just has a lot more football under his belt and got thrown into the mix in what week 2 last yr?

Watching Lance on Sunday you could see him getting antsy in the pocket, he missed some reads and his footwork overall wasn't relaxed and calm (like Herbert). You could tell he wasn't prepared to be back there and just amped up to go make plays...Once he becomes more confident in the pocket and his reads pre/post, the footwork will be so much better.

Gonna take time and that will require him to actually play football...

Trey looks like he has never in his life played from the pocket. You guys are vastly underestimating how far he has to come to even be below average there.
Kyle knows that and he will do what he can to mask that for as long as possible. He knows it will be a disaster if Trey has to start

Lance is already better than Mac.

What's funny is the people who think that one half of football for a rookie is all they needed to see. This generation is really special lol

It's a special kind of dumb

Appreciate the personal attack.

No one is saying Lance can't or won't be better than Mac down the road. But it's simply dishonest to suggest that Lance is better than Mac right now. He isn't. Mac is better in the pocket, throws the ball confidently and accurately, and is in command of his (albeit limited) offense. The difference is easy to spot—all you need to do is watch the tape. And I watch the Pats AND the 49ers almost every Sunday (no, it's not because I'm secretly a Pats fan).

Lance is raw. Mac is not. Accept it. Move on.

Looked like Kyle didn't know what to do and went with a college style offense for Trey. If he was under center in college why keep putting him in the gun?