DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
If we do lose Ryans, and there's nobody on staff competent enough to step in and keep the system going, I say bring in a guy with a history running our defensive scheme to maintain continuity. Fangio is an excellent DC. But we have moved away from 3-4 scheme, and are doing quite well. We need to bring in a guy with a track record of running a 4-3 LEO, wide 9 scheme. That is not Fangio.

The 49ers haven't ran a base 4-3 under since 2018, so I'm not sure why that's even brought up. That's oooooold news, and we want nothing to do with that defense.

We had this discussion last offseason: nobody in the NFL runs this defense. This defense is unique to Shanahan's 49ers. This was one of the main reasons many of us felt Demeco was the best guy for the job because we could keep everything intact and continue to evolve it. The only other team that runs a base wide 9 is Robert Saleh. He liked it so much that he took it with him to NY.

I'm not going to sweat it until Demeco is gone, but if he goes, the next DC is likely on the team. I trust Shanny.

Granted, Ryan utilizes more of the over front than under, but he HAS run it, especially when D.J is on the field. And we rely more on the wide-nine alignment while in nickel and dime. But on base down, on obvious run downs, many times (not most of the time) I've seen DJ in a shade1 tech and 2-gapping (at least initially, then more bull-rushing to play the run while pushing the pocket), while Armstead is read-rushing (while in classic under he'd be 2-gapping as well). It's one of the reasons we've been so good against the run. That's LEO (under), just not a standard LEO. Ryans has been very good with timing his use of wide-nine and his unique 4-3 fronts.

Don't wanna get too football techie here. Getting late in Chicago. My main point is that the basis of Ryans' scheme is 4-3 LEO, just a very unique brand of it that I don't think the league has caught onto yet (which is Aaron Rogers was so confused to go with the ball). So if we cannot promote someone on the staff competent enough to run Ryan's system then we need to find a 4-3 guy who can. Not hire a DC with an entirely different philosophy and scheme.

I honestly think Ryans is still evolving his brand of 4-3 LEO/wide-nine defense, which is scary when you think about it, and why I don't think we can afford to lose him.

Defense carrying this team again. Incredible gameplan and calls during the game. Aaron had no clue wtf was going on. Matt LaFluffer got his ass owned.

he's so gone

if he isn't, that's awesome for us

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Overkill:
I don't see how we'd save the scheme if we lose DeMeco. Saleh may have started with a Carroll/Seattle scheme but he, DeMeco, and Kocurek have morphed this into something else. Bullocks doesn't have a resume that screams "ready" and Undlin spent one year as DC in Detroit before joining us when Patricia got the axe.

Even a guy like Gus Bradley, with roots in the old Seattle scheme, will probably come with his own staff and ideas. Maybe he'd be smart enough to keep some guys on the "ain't broke, don't fix it" principle, but who knows?

I'd like to keep Kocurek and the attacking DL style we've built here.

Bullocks like Ryans is a former player and has been on this staff just as long as Ryans. He has more overall years of coaching experience as well.

If Shanahan selects him, I don't see any reason to expect that he wouldn't be ready. After Saleh and Ryans, I think Kyle has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I hope Ryans stays, and as for Bullocks not being ready, many said the same about Saleh & Ryans, I to trust Kyle, he's earned the benefit of the doubt like you said, but hoping Ryans doesn't get a HC job, not yet.

Has Kyle said anything about Bullocks being ready? If he has, than that's good enough for me, too. Otherwise we're just talking about resumes here.

My preference is a DC with a DB background. Nothing against coaches with a Linebacker background, but it's a pass happy NFL and that's not going to change any time soon. Defense will be generally OK as long as Kyle keeps drafting DLinemen in the first round and picking day 3 gems like Huf, Lenoir, and Ambry in the day 2/day 3 rounds.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
he's so gone

if he isn't, that's awesome for us

Hope he stays, but yeah - agree - he's also that good that he's not going to be here much longer.

hope he doesn't leave…. but at least we get a third round pick.

Originally posted by Overkill:
Has Kyle said anything about Bullocks being ready? If he has, than that's good enough for me, too. Otherwise we're just talking about resumes here.

Bullocks is not even our primary DB coach and he would have been promoted to that position if he was as highly thought off as the previous poster mentioned. If anything, I would see us promoting James Betcher (sp?) who I think helps Ryans the most with game planning and also has 5 years of solid NFL DC experience. I could also envision Koucerek getting a new title (and raise) like assistant HC//Senior DC Assistant

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Gonna be pissed if we loose him after his rookie season as DC. There should be league rules against that. I think the 49ers should promote him to Assistant HC and back the Brinks truck up to his driveway. I know Jon Embree already holds that title but to my knowledge there aren't rules against having 2 Assistant HC's (if I am correct me). Otherwise we just create a position and promote him to that.

then they would look like a team trying to hold back their young coaches from being promoted. Not a good look And why would he take title as an assistant HC if he can be HC elswhere? What sense does that make?

Agree. I think if Demeco does get a HC gig this year, it will encourage more young coaching talent to come to the 49ers. I think we'll be ok if Demeco leaves, Kyle knows enough defense to keep the continuity going. Plus the assistant coaches know the scheme and can help the new DC (whoever he is) with the coaching transition. Personally I don't think he'll get a HC gig this year. Just too soon, but Raiders look kind of serious.

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
Bullocks is not even our primary DB coach and he would have been promoted to that position if he was as highly thought off as the previous poster mentioned. If anything, I would see us promoting James Betcher (sp?) who I think helps Ryans the most with game planning and also has 5 years of solid NFL DC experience. I could also envision Koucerek getting a new title (and raise) like assistant HC//Senior DC Assistant

Ryans wasn't the primary LB's coach, that was Johnny Holland. Still didn't stop him from getting promoted to DC. If you're looking at defensive assistants who have been here with Shanahan the whole time, its really just Ryans and Bullocks that are left with Holland stepping aside due to cancer.

I selfishly hope he doesn't get a HC gig for at least a couple more seasons. I've always felt he had higher potential as DC than Saleh did. I'd like to see that through longer. I at least don't think he leaves this offseason.

People in here were hating on him so hard throughout the season and now everyone is swinging on his nuts.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I selfishly hope he doesn't get a HC gig for at least a couple more seasons. I've always felt he had higher potential as DC than Saleh did. I'd like to see that through longer. I at least don't think he leaves this offseason.

People in here were hating on him so hard throughout the season and now everyone is swinging on his nuts.

Its the Webzone way.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I selfishly hope he doesn't get a HC gig for at least a couple more seasons. I've always felt he had higher potential as DC than Saleh did. I'd like to see that through longer. I at least don't think he leaves this offseason.

People in here were hating on him so hard throughout the season and now everyone is swinging on his nuts.

I agree - I hope he stays for a while.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
If we do lose Ryans, and there's nobody on staff competent enough to step in and keep the system going, I say bring in a guy with a history running our defensive scheme to maintain continuity. Fangio is an excellent DC. But we have moved away from 3-4 scheme, and are doing quite well. We need to bring in a guy with a track record of running a 4-3 LEO, wide 9 scheme. That is not Fangio.

The 49ers haven't ran a base 4-3 under since 2018, so I'm not sure why that's even brought up. That's oooooold news, and we want nothing to do with that defense.

We had this discussion last offseason: nobody in the NFL runs this defense. This defense is unique to Shanahan's 49ers. This was one of the main reasons many of us felt Demeco was the best guy for the job because we could keep everything intact and continue to evolve it. The only other team that runs a base wide 9 is Robert Saleh. He liked it so much that he took it with him to NY.

I'm not going to sweat it until Demeco is gone, but if he goes, the next DC is likely on the team. I trust Shanny.

Granted, Ryan utilizes more of the over front than under, but he HAS run it, especially when D.J is on the field. And we rely more on the wide-nine alignment while in nickel and dime. But on base down, on obvious run downs, many times (not most of the time) I've seen DJ in a shade1 tech and 2-gapping (at least initially, then more bull-rushing to play the run while pushing the pocket), while Armstead is read-rushing (while in classic under he'd be 2-gapping as well). It's one of the reasons we've been so good against the run. That's LEO (under), just not a standard LEO. Ryans has been very good with timing his use of wide-nine and his unique 4-3 fronts.

Don't wanna get too football techie here. Getting late in Chicago. My main point is that the basis of Ryans' scheme is 4-3 LEO, just a very unique brand of it that I don't think the league has caught onto yet (which is Aaron Rogers was so confused to go with the ball). So if we cannot promote someone on the staff competent enough to run Ryan's system then we need to find a 4-3 guy who can. Not hire a DC with an entirely different philosophy and scheme.

I honestly think Ryans is still evolving his brand of 4-3 LEO/wide-nine defense, which is scary when you think about it, and why I don't think we can afford to lose him.

I think as long as Kocurek stays, the coaches we have now can take care of the pass coverages. The history of this defense goes back to the Kiffen/Perlas gap penetration defense of the past. Seifert adopted the Arnsparger no name defense and Pete Carroll melded it with the Kiffen gap penetration defense. Then In comes Kocurek with the Wide 9 now added to what Siefert/Carroll did. It definitely is a unique defense - but i think any of our DB coaches can do the job because its basically a nickel defense. Fred/Haley were the hybrid DE/LB players in Seiferts 3-4 defense, the current defense has moved the Hybrid player to the Strong Safety/Weakside LB position and moved the base front to a 4-3.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I selfishly hope he doesn't get a HC gig for at least a couple more seasons. I've always felt he had higher potential as DC than Saleh did. I'd like to see that through longer. I at least don't think he leaves this offseason.

People in here were hating on him so hard throughout the season and now everyone is swinging on his nuts.

Its the Webzone way.

It sure is.

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I selfishly hope he doesn't get a HC gig for at least a couple more seasons. I've always felt he had higher potential as DC than Saleh did. I'd like to see that through longer. I at least don't think he leaves this offseason.

People in here were hating on him so hard throughout the season and now everyone is swinging on his nuts.

Its the Webzone way.

It sure is.

Were we supposed to praise him when he did bad?