DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Gonna be pissed if we loose him after his rookie season as DC. There should be league rules against that. I think the 49ers should promote him to Assistant HC and back the Brinks truck up to his driveway. I know Jon Embree already holds that title but to my knowledge there aren't rules against having 2 Assistant HC's (if I am correct me). Otherwise we just create a position and promote him to that.

then they would look like a team trying to hold back their young coaches from being promoted. Not a good look And why would he take title as an assistant HC if he can be HC elswhere? What sense does that make?

Damn the looks The guy is a 36 year old rookie DC. I really don't think he's ready for that step yet. Plus, Shanny isn't trying to hold back his assistants. We're trying to maintain defensive continuity. Loose our rookie DC after one season? What happens if Shanny promote another rookie DC from within and he has similar results as Ryans? Are we gonna do this every year now? That's no more sustainable than it is swapping OC's every year.

So I think the league should have a rule that says rookie DC's cannot be poached only after one season. Or, give each HC coordinator to protect. But we cannot be replacing DC's every year because teams wanna sabotage the 49ers.

Just don't think that'll work.

"you aren't allowed to get a better job/promoted"

Just doesn't sound reasonable.

Franchise tag him!

I know that's not how it works, but do it anyway! This defense led by DeMeco will be paramount in Trey's success next season.

It's gonna be rough early on if we've got a young QB making mistakes and another rookie DC trying to put it all together again. Our D early on with DeMeco was meh and first year under Saleh was historically bad. So, yeah, tag DeMeco as a linebacker! 😂

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Just don't think that'll work.

"you aren't allowed to get a better job/promoted"

Just doesn't sound reasonable.

49ers being seen as the team that tries to obstruct young assistant coaches from getting promoted, and in light of the Rooney Rule, the team that tries to prevent young Black assistant coaches from getting promoted would not be a good look for them in anyway.

If he gets an offer, he gets an offer. Be happy for the guy and trust that Shanahan will be able to replace him with someone of high quality. When other young defensive assistants see these guys coming up while working for Shanahan, they're going to want in on the action too.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
49ers being seen as the team that tries to obstruct young assistant coaches from getting promoted, and in light of the Rooney Rule, the team that tries to prevent young Black assistant coaches from getting promoted would not be a good look for them in anyway.

If he gets an offer, he gets an offer. Be happy for the guy and trust that Shanahan will be able to replace him with someone of high quality. When other young defensive assistants see these guys coming up while working for Shanahan, they're going to want in on the action too.

Also get 2 3rd rounders

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Gonna be pissed if we loose him after his rookie season as DC. There should be league rules against that. I think the 49ers should promote him to Assistant HC and back the Brinks truck up to his driveway. I know Jon Embree already holds that title but to my knowledge there aren't rules against having 2 Assistant HC's (if I am correct me). Otherwise we just create a position and promote him to that.

then they would look like a team trying to hold back their young coaches from being promoted. Not a good look And why would he take title as an assistant HC if he can be HC elswhere? What sense does that make?

Damn the looks The guy is a 36 year old rookie DC. I really don't think he's ready for that step yet. Plus, Shanny isn't trying to hold back his assistants. We're trying to maintain defensive continuity. Loose our rookie DC after one season? What happens if Shanny promote another rookie DC from within and he has similar results as Ryans? Are we gonna do this every year now? That's no more sustainable than it is swapping OC's every year.

So I think the league should have a rule that says rookie DC's cannot be poached only after one season. Or, give each HC coordinator to protect. But we cannot be replacing DC's every year because teams wanna sabotage the 49ers.

It looks like that you b/c you are a fan of the team. you are more concerned about the team than DR's or any assistants ability to get a HC job. If the market demands that he gets a job after 1 year then so be it. So you think the Jets hired Saleh to sabotage the niners? Come on bro. They hired him b/c they believe he can elevate the whole franchise and get some wins.

He has done well but I'm not too concerned about losing him. I think selecting and nurturing talented coordinators is a repeatable skill that is emblematic of organizations that have a unified vision.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Also get 2 3rd rounders

Hopefully those look more like Fred Warner and less like Jalen Hurd or Trey Sermon.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Also get 2 3rd rounders

Hopefully those look more like Fred Warner and less like Jalen Hurd or Trey Sermon.

Or Spoon or Joe Williams.
More Fred Warners and Ambry Thomas.

If Ryans becomes a head coach this year, please go get Vic Fangio. I just don't feel they have anyone on the staff that can take Ryans place.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Just don't think that'll work.

"you aren't allowed to get a better job/promoted"

Just doesn't sound reasonable.

49ers being seen as the team that tries to obstruct young assistant coaches from getting promoted, and in light of the Rooney Rule, the team that tries to prevent young Black assistant coaches from getting promoted would not be a good look for them in anyway.

If he gets an offer, he gets an offer. Be happy for the guy and trust that Shanahan will be able to replace him with someone of high quality. When other young defensive assistants see these guys coming up while working for Shanahan, they're going to want in on the action too.

I get all that. I really do! As a Black man in IT I know first hand that job opportunities don't come by much. It's just irksome that it looks that we're gonna have to change DC's every year or every other year. Can't develop continuity that way. I mean, I wanna see Ryans do well. But goddammit, can this team at least establish a 36 year old rookie DC before he's poached? I wanna see more Black HC's. I think far too many Black coordinators get conspicuously overlooked for lessor qualified coaches.

I'm really starting to think there's a concerted effort afoot to sabotage this team's future because we're on the precipice of long-term greatness. So now, potentially every year, or every other year, we're gonna be in the hunt for a DC, or promoting from within. Not sure how sustainable that is.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Gonna be pissed if we loose him after his rookie season as DC. There should be league rules against that. I think the 49ers should promote him to Assistant HC and back the Brinks truck up to his driveway. I know Jon Embree already holds that title but to my knowledge there aren't rules against having 2 Assistant HC's (if I am correct me). Otherwise we just create a position and promote him to that.

then they would look like a team trying to hold back their young coaches from being promoted. Not a good look And why would he take title as an assistant HC if he can be HC elswhere? What sense does that make?

Damn the looks The guy is a 36 year old rookie DC. I really don't think he's ready for that step yet. Plus, Shanny isn't trying to hold back his assistants. We're trying to maintain defensive continuity. Loose our rookie DC after one season? What happens if Shanny promote another rookie DC from within and he has similar results as Ryans? Are we gonna do this every year now? That's no more sustainable than it is swapping OC's every year.

So I think the league should have a rule that says rookie DC's cannot be poached only after one season. Or, give each HC coordinator to protect. But we cannot be replacing DC's every year because teams wanna sabotage the 49ers.

It looks like that you b/c you are a fan of the team. you are more concerned about the team than DR's or any assistants ability to get a HC job. If the market demands that he gets a job after 1 year then so be it. So you think the Jets hired Saleh to sabotage the niners? Come on bro. They hired him b/c they believe he can elevate the whole franchise and get some wins.

No, I don't really think that. And it does look that way because I'm a fan. But at least Saleh was able to establish himself and his system. But Ryans hasn't even had time to master being a DC, much less being a HC. And already teams are sniffing around Ryans? It just looks suspicious to me.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If Ryans becomes a head coach this year, please go get Vic Fangio. I just don't feel they have anyone on the staff that can take Ryans place.

So we gonna change the defense, again?

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Gonna be pissed if we loose him after his rookie season as DC. There should be league rules against that. I think the 49ers should promote him to Assistant HC and back the Brinks truck up to his driveway. I know Jon Embree already holds that title but to my knowledge there aren't rules against having 2 Assistant HC's (if I am correct me). Otherwise we just create a position and promote him to that.

then they would look like a team trying to hold back their young coaches from being promoted. Not a good look And why would he take title as an assistant HC if he can be HC elswhere? What sense does that make?

Damn the looks The guy is a 36 year old rookie DC. I really don't think he's ready for that step yet. Plus, Shanny isn't trying to hold back his assistants. We're trying to maintain defensive continuity. Loose our rookie DC after one season? What happens if Shanny promote another rookie DC from within and he has similar results as Ryans? Are we gonna do this every year now? That's no more sustainable than it is swapping OC's every year.

So I think the league should have a rule that says rookie DC's cannot be poached only after one season. Or, give each HC coordinator to protect. But we cannot be replacing DC's every year because teams wanna sabotage the 49ers.

It looks like that you b/c you are a fan of the team. you are more concerned about the team than DR's or any assistants ability to get a HC job. If the market demands that he gets a job after 1 year then so be it. So you think the Jets hired Saleh to sabotage the niners? Come on bro. They hired him b/c they believe he can elevate the whole franchise and get some wins.

No, I don't really think that. And it does look that way because I'm a fan. But at least Saleh was able to establish himself and his system. But Ryans hasn't even had time to master being a DC, much less being a HC. And already teams are sniffing around Ryans? It just looks suspicious to me.

Ive heard Ryans has been talked about as a future HC for a while now. Just hoping we can get at least one more year with him. Worst case scenario, get another 3rd round pick. If anything I would love to see another minority hire so if they do get poached we keep the comp pick train rolling. 4 extra 3rd round picks and counting once Ryans is signed somewhere.

IMO - he won't get a HC position this year.

Slaeh got interviews and didn't get the job until he made the D flourish in the next year.

2 years and if our D keeps raging - he'll get the nod.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Just don't think that'll work.

"you aren't allowed to get a better job/promoted"

Just doesn't sound reasonable.

49ers being seen as the team that tries to obstruct young assistant coaches from getting promoted, and in light of the Rooney Rule, the team that tries to prevent young Black assistant coaches from getting promoted would not be a good look for them in anyway.

If he gets an offer, he gets an offer. Be happy for the guy and trust that Shanahan will be able to replace him with someone of high quality. When other young defensive assistants see these guys coming up while working for Shanahan, they're going to want in on the action too.

I get all that. I really do! As a Black man in IT I know first hand that job opportunities don't come by much. It's just irksome that it looks that we're gonna have to change DC's every year or every other year. Can't develop continuity that way. I mean, I wanna see Ryans do well. But goddammit, can this team at least establish a 36 year old rookie DC before he's poached? I wanna see more Black HC's. I think far too many Black coordinators get conspicuously overlooked for lessor qualified coaches.

I'm really starting to think there's a concerted effort afoot to sabotage this team's future because we're on the precipice of long-term greatness. So now, potentially every year, or every other year, we're gonna be in the hunt for a DC, or promoting from within. Not sure how sustainable that is.

See my post #2327 2 pages back. It addresses why Meco should NOT take a HC offer as a 1 yr DC. Specifically if he accepts a HC job, he is cheating himself of success. I asked:

Does he know how to :

Draft wisely?

Make OC playcalls and gameplans? Or ST playcalls and game plans? Same for DC playcalls and game plans tho he scores high here.

Know how to FA?

know who to re-sign and who not to? (Same as who to keep and who to get rid of….ie, talent evaluation)

know how to build a franchise from scratch? Couldn't be at a better place than here to learn.?

Know how to pick good owners who won't quit on him after one bad season.?

I am all in favor or Meco interviewing as it is a good learning experience. But don't just take any HC job offered. Take one that fits and you can see will work with HC and get players he needs.

The worst thing he can do is take a crummy job, eg WFT, or TEXANS, or…well choose your poison. But if he is not fully versed in all the essentials listed above, then, he is just lessening his chances of succeeding. Same with Saleh, who just had 4 yrs DCing under kyle but did he know OCing, STing, how to draft, how to playcall, and game plan, how to build a team up from nothing, know how to sign and re-sign players and which ones… because Saleh was way short on a good many of those and had he stayed around another couple yrs would have learned a lot more than he took with him to Jets. It would have cemented his job. Now he just is looking at another miserable yr no better than last. And all because he wasn't schooled in all he needed to be to become a truly great HC.

If Demeco is good enough to get a HC job now, he will be 3x better in 2 or 3 yrs. He will be experienced in all things "HC"wise and like the Steelers Iron man HC, will keep his HC job as long as he wants.

GOAT BW was the perfect example. Didn't get a HC job until he went to Stanford from NFL, and was a lot older than guys now taking HC slots. If Meco not only wants to HC, but to keep his job, then learn more, first. Maybe a yr, possibly two , maybe 3…and learn where he has knowledge gaps outside of LB coaching and DCing. Kyle and JL could help him learn the things he needs to be a successful HC.

There is a whale of a lot of diffeence between becoming a HC and becoming a very well prepared, smart and successful HC. One succeeds, the other doesn't..