Saquon Barkley

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
I would generally agree with this.

I won't. But I can get 90+% of Barkley in the 2nd-3rd but I won't get 90% of Chubb or Rosen or Mayfield, etc...

— Peter F. (@SanDiegoPete73) February 9, 2018

This guy doesn't do much research if he thinks that.

Hmmmm.... Le'veon Bell was drafted at #48. Kareem Hunt (#1 in rushing) was drafted at 86. Devonta Freeman who just signed a $41.25 million contract extension, drafted at #103. Jordan Howard (528 carries for 2435 yards and 15 in two seasons) drafted at #150. C. J. Anderson (just had 1,000 season in Denver) was an undrafted FA.

Seems you can find good RB talent outside of round 1.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
I would generally agree with this.

I won't. But I can get 90+% of Barkley in the 2nd-3rd but I won't get 90% of Chubb or Rosen or Mayfield, etc...

— Peter F. (@SanDiegoPete73) February 9, 2018

This guy doesn't do much research if he thinks that.

Hmmmm.... Le'veon Bell was drafted at #48. Kareem Hunt (#1 in rushing) was drafted at 86. Devonta Freeman who just signed a $41.25 million contract extension, drafted at #103. Jordan Howard (528 carries for 2435 yards and 15 in two seasons) drafted at #150. C. J. Anderson (just had 1,000 season in Denver) was an undrafted FA.

Seems you can find good RB talent outside of round 1.

You can say that about EVERY position in the NFL. In no way am I doubting you can find good RB's in the later rounds but lets not cherry pick.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
I would generally agree with this.

I won't. But I can get 90+% of Barkley in the 2nd-3rd but I won't get 90% of Chubb or Rosen or Mayfield, etc...

— Peter F. (@SanDiegoPete73) February 9, 2018

This guy doesn't do much research if he thinks that.

Hmmmm.... Le'veon Bell was drafted at #48. Kareem Hunt (#1 in rushing) was drafted at 86. Devonta Freeman who just signed a $41.25 million contract extension, drafted at #103. Jordan Howard (528 carries for 2435 yards and 15 in two seasons) drafted at #150. C. J. Anderson (just had 1,000 season in Denver) was an undrafted FA.

Seems you can find good RB talent outside of round 1.

You can say that about EVERY position in the NFL. In no way am I doubting you can find good RB's in the later rounds but lets not cherry pick.

You can not say that about QB. It is extremely rare to find a starting level outside of round 1.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:
I would generally agree with this.

I won't. But I can get 90+% of Barkley in the 2nd-3rd but I won't get 90% of Chubb or Rosen or Mayfield, etc...

— Peter F. (@SanDiegoPete73) February 9, 2018

This guy doesn't do much research if he thinks that.

Hmmmm.... Le'veon Bell was drafted at #48. Kareem Hunt (#1 in rushing) was drafted at 86. Devonta Freeman who just signed a $41.25 million contract extension, drafted at #103. Jordan Howard (528 carries for 2435 yards and 15 in two seasons) drafted at #150. C. J. Anderson (just had 1,000 season in Denver) was an undrafted FA.

Seems you can find good RB talent outside of round 1.

You can say that about EVERY position in the NFL. In no way am I doubting you can find good RB's in the later rounds but lets not cherry pick.

You can not say that about QB. It is extremely rare to find a starting level outside of round 1.

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

lol yup.

This whole thing about passing on Barkley to take a RB later in the draft is one of the most asinine things somebody can say. What people fail to realize is we have nobody at RB that fits what Kyle Shanahan and Garoppolo
likes to do on offense with RBs. Carlos Hyde and Matt Breida are the 2 worse RBs in the NFL in drop percentage per opportunity which is terrible. Those two are drive stoppers and QB killers and are of no real use to the 49ers.

Yeah you can find RBs later in the draft but chances are you'll get more of the Carlos Hyde and Matt Breida types which are just 1 dimensional hand the ball off to. In today's NFL the best offenses have RBs that can be threats running and passing and be consistent doing so. 49ers simply don't have that in Hyde and Breida. Joe Williams is an unknown but maybe Kyle being high on him tells us he has more to his game then those other 2.

Barkley is a threat on every down no matter the situation. He's arguably the best RB and WR in the draft. If he's there at 9 or 10 you take him and case a shadow of fear over the rest of the NFL.

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

The chances of getting a franchise QB outside thr first round are astronomically low. It RARELY happens. Hell it rarely happens in the first round so your analogy doesn't work.

As a gambler I can say w/confidence

We are NOT getting Barkley!

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

The chances of getting a franchise QB outside thr first round are astronomically low. It RARELY happens. Hell it rarely happens in the first round so your analogy doesn't work.

We aren't discussing finding a franchise QB though.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

The chances of getting a franchise QB outside thr first round are astronomically low. It RARELY happens. Hell it rarely happens in the first round so your analogy doesn't work.

We aren't discussing finding a franchise QB though.

Well Good QB/Starter QB. The point remains.

Originally posted by babarvaart:
Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

Brees was drafted 17 years ago. So in 17 years 5-6 QBs outside of round 1 have hit... Well clearly i was wrong....

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

I think the point is that historically you are far, far more likely to find a good RB outside the first round than you are a QB.


A few years back on Football Outsiders they did an extensive analysis which showed RB as having one of the highest production values from the 3rd round on while QB had one of the lowest of all positions.




People remember the handful of guys who make it but forget the 50 others who completely bomb in the NFL.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

The chances of getting a franchise QB outside thr first round are astronomically low. It RARELY happens. Hell it rarely happens in the first round so your analogy doesn't work.

We aren't discussing finding a franchise QB though.

Well Good QB/Starter QB. The point remains.

But thats not the point either. No one is talking about chances being greater or not. The point is that it is possible to find a QB almost equivalent to s 1st round QB.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Extremely rare?

He stated 90%+, does that mean starter?, Super Bowl QB?, top 10 stats?

Is it me or didn't a 3rd round pick just win the Super Bowl? NFC Championship consisted of one 3rd pick and one Undrafted player.

You could get 90% of Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield with Kyle Lauletta, Luke Falk and Mike White in the 2nd and later rounds.

Jimmy G, Wilson, Carr, Brees, Prescott, Keenum, Cousins plus a few other I'm missing.

All drafted outside 1st round.

The chances of getting a franchise QB outside thr first round are astronomically low. It RARELY happens. Hell it rarely happens in the first round so your analogy doesn't work.

We aren't discussing finding a franchise QB though.

Well Good QB/Starter QB. The point remains.

But thats not the point either. No one is talking about chances being greater or not. The point is that it is possible to find a QB almost equivalent to s 1st round QB.

But it's not. I'm not sure what you're looking at but there's absolutely no evidence of that. Yeah you can find a gem very rarely. But with running backs that's where the best value has been.