NFLN top 100 players - 2014

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

Originally posted by Jakemall:
You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

That was not the San Francisco 49ers that were wearing the red jerseys that day.....

Some other team, not us.

And would you have put up serious money that they could have beat us in a rematch? Did you see what we did to the other team that beat us in the stick this year?

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

You mean that game which was incredibly close at the end of the 3rd, where we only had Boldin as a catching option after Vernon's concussion at Seattle? Where Frank had gashed them for the whole first half before we inexplicably decided we were going pass heavy on a full potato mode from Roman? The one where Luck threw 159yards? For 0 TDs?? That game?

I'll take it as a yes, quiet day in the Alex Smith thread eh? SMH.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

You mean that game which was incredibly close at the end of the 3rd, where we only had Boldin as a catching option after Vernon's concussion at Seattle? Where Frank had gashed them for the whole first half before we inexplicably decided we were going pass heavy on a full potato mode from Roman? The one where Luck threw 159yards? For 0 TDs?? That game?

I'll take it as a yes, quiet day in the Alex Smith thread eh? SMH.

You don't have to keep throwing when you're up 27-7.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

You mean that game which was incredibly close at the end of the 3rd, where we only had Boldin as a catching option after Vernon's concussion at Seattle? Where Frank had gashed them for the whole first half before we inexplicably decided we were going pass heavy on a full potato mode from Roman? The one where Luck threw 159yards? For 0 TDs?? That game?

I'll take it as a yes, quiet day in the Alex Smith thread eh? SMH.

You don't have to keep throwing when you're up 27-7.

27-7 up with 5 mins to go in the 4th, but hey - keep digging.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

You mean that game which was incredibly close at the end of the 3rd, where we only had Boldin as a catching option after Vernon's concussion at Seattle? Where Frank had gashed them for the whole first half before we inexplicably decided we were going pass heavy on a full potato mode from Roman? The one where Luck threw 159yards? For 0 TDs?? That game?

I'll take it as a yes, quiet day in the Alex Smith thread eh? SMH.

We have one bounce go our way and Luck is the chump in that game.

Luck also went to a 2 win team and helped get them to the playoffs after 2 years.

CK has more support across the board with his team than Luck has had, so it's difficult to make an apples to apples comparison.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Yeah and Tim Couch, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell & Sam Bradford were #1 overall picks as well. So lets not use where someone was drafted as a reason they are a better football player. In the 3 years before going 2-14 the Colts won 36 games so people need to stop acting like he is single-handedly winning games.

LOL @ trying to discredit Andrew Luck by bringing up the team's record when PEYTON MANNING was it's QB. Of course they had a good record. They had the greatest regular season QB in NFL history. Look what happened when he didn't play. 2-14. That means that team, without a great QB, is a 2-14 squad. You add Luck, and all of a sudden they are a playoff team again. There is something to be said about that.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

You mean that game which was incredibly close at the end of the 3rd, where we only had Boldin as a catching option after Vernon's concussion at Seattle? Where Frank had gashed them for the whole first half before we inexplicably decided we were going pass heavy on a full potato mode from Roman? The one where Luck threw 159yards? For 0 TDs?? That game?

I'll take it as a yes, quiet day in the Alex Smith thread eh? SMH.

You don't have to keep throwing when you're up 27-7.

At the same time, if you're up 27-7 and haven't thrown the ball well, why should you be credited for the win as a QB?

Originally posted by Empire49:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

You mean that game which was incredibly close at the end of the 3rd, where we only had Boldin as a catching option after Vernon's concussion at Seattle? Where Frank had gashed them for the whole first half before we inexplicably decided we were going pass heavy on a full potato mode from Roman? The one where Luck threw 159yards? For 0 TDs?? That game?

I'll take it as a yes, quiet day in the Alex Smith thread eh? SMH.

You don't have to keep throwing when you're up 27-7.

At the same time, if you're up 27-7 and haven't thrown the ball well, why should you be credited for the win as a QB?

Don't open that can of worms.. Kaep has made a living on using his legs when he couldn't throw the ball well.

If someone wouldnt mind...which niners have made this list?

Originally posted by frankie:
If someone wouldnt mind...which niners have made this list?

Kap #81, Staley #75, Justin Smith #69

Nick Foles at #70 what a friggin' joke. Cuz he's really better than Kap. I'm sorry but guys like Marcell Dareus, Cameron Wake and Derrick Johnson shouldn't rank above Justin. That's straight up bulls**t. The players who voted this list aren't even objective.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Surprised to hear some would take CK over Luck. Andrew Luck is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer when all is said and done. Ultimately, accuracy is essential for a top tier QB. Luck has that going for him already. Not sure CK will ever get there. Great athlete, big arm, but accuracy is where I think CK is going to struggle to reach the top tier.

I think you're letting a draft crush blind you, look at Luck in the play-offs.

4 Interceptions against the Patriots trying to force something to happen, yet people beat up Kap for 3 turn-overs against one of the best defenses to ever play in a far more hostile environment when he was having to do the same.

Not to forget the escape against KC where KC melted down but Luck still threw 3 interceptions against a defense that had disintegrated, ignoring the fact that Charles went out on KC's opening drive injured.

I think Luck is a great player, and he will be a great, but you have to have some serious blinkers on to overlook things like the above whilst pillorying our own QB who took us further against better competition. The Seahawks crushed Denver, and Denver were good enough to beat the both of the teams above.

I can't understand people giving Luck a pass for worse performances against weaker opposition while beating Kap up for strong performances against better teams and in a more hostile environment.

You mean like when Luck beat us in our house?

I'll admit he made me a believer in his talent when he beat the Hawks too. Hell he beat the Hawks, Broncos and the Niners this year.