Who is the NFL's Best Coach?

Lebeau has only been back with Pittsburgh since 2004. Don't forget he was the Bengals head coach in 2000-2002

[ Edited by Paul on Feb 2, 2011 at 03:44:49 ]

Originally posted by Paul:
Lebeau has only been back with Pittsburgh since 2004. Don't forget he was the Bengals head coach in 2000-2002

Ah, I stand corrected.

Originally posted by Paul:
Lebeau has only been back with Pittsburgh since 2004. Don't forget he was the Bengals head coach in 2000-2002

Yes but don't forget during that time they had Cower...not Tomlin who is nowhere near being one of the best coaches in the league.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Paul:
Lebeau has only been back with Pittsburgh since 2004. Don't forget he was the Bengals head coach in 2000-2002

Yes but don't forget during that time they had Cower...not Tomlin who is nowhere near being one of the best coaches in the league.

i can understand saying that he's not THE best coach in the league, but "nowhere near being one of the best" is silly. This is his second super bowl team. Give the guy some credit.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Paul:
Lebeau has only been back with Pittsburgh since 2004. Don't forget he was the Bengals head coach in 2000-2002

Yes but don't forget during that time they had Cower...not Tomlin who is nowhere near being one of the best coaches in the league.

i can understand saying that he's not THE best coach in the league, but "nowhere near being one of the best" is silly. This is his second super bowl team. Give the guy some credit.

Tomlins easily the most overrated coach in the league..

Coach of the year is easily Mike McCarthy.

No team in the history of football has lost as many starters for as many games as the Packers, and even made the playoffs. Green Bays starters have missed a combined 90+ games, no team with that stat has ever won more than 6 games... Case closed.

As for best coach constantly, I hate him but's its Belichick.

Mike Tomlin inherited a great team and staff, Belichick built his dynasty.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Paul:
Lebeau has only been back with Pittsburgh since 2004. Don't forget he was the Bengals head coach in 2000-2002

Yes but don't forget during that time they had Cower...not Tomlin who is nowhere near being one of the best coaches in the league.

come on man how can you say that? Guy has been in the playoffs 3 of his 4 years there and 2 SuperBowls already. Cowher went to 2 Superbowls in 17 years or however long he was there (won just one of them).

Don't forget Cowher inherited a decent team with Noll & instantly made them better (last 7 years under Noll they made the playoffs just one time, so maybe a little different) as they went from 7-9 to the playoffs. Tomlin did the same.

McCarthy is a good coach but I just can't see the Steelers losing especially with Ben motivated to have a good game.

I can't believe they gave coach of the year to BB. He may be the best in the league overall, but for THIS YEAR it's got to be McCarthy.

Originally posted by 49er4life:
Coach of the year is easily Mike McCarthy.

No team in the history of football has lost as many starters for as many games as the Packers, and even made the playoffs. Green Bays starters have missed a combined 90+ games, no team with that stat has ever won more than 6 games... Case closed.

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Ah, the power of the East Coast media. No way they are going to give the award to a bunch of cheesehead who only produce food for the nation.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
Coach of the year is easily Mike McCarthy.

No team in the history of football has lost as many starters for as many games as the Packers, and even made the playoffs. Green Bays starters have missed a combined 90+ games, no team with that stat has ever won more than 6 games... Case closed.

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Ah, the power of the East Coast media. No way they are going to give the award to a bunch of cheesehead who only produce food for the nation.

that's a weird direction to take this discussion...

anyway, there's a lot of deserving candidates, but its hard to fault them for awarding BB, since his team went 14-2 with a young defense and a bunch of rookies and castoffs at the offensive skill positions.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:

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Originally posted by backontop:

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Originally posted by Niners99:
Its Belichick by a mile. he runs the show in NE. hes the mastermind behind their success. Brady has helped him alot, but he makes it all happen like Walsh made it happen with Montana.
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If the question was who is the NFL's best offensive coach I would agree with you its Belichick. But the Pats defense has never been the same since Romeo Crennel left. Which is a big reason they haven't returned to the SB since 2004.

Tomlin has the Steelers much more balanced between offense and defense than Belichick does with the Pats right now.

Um, Bill Belichick was a David Tyree catch away from being the only coach to go 19-0. And he didn't have a stellar d that year. Btw that was in 07-08, not 2004.

And that doesn't change the fact that Belichick carries that team to success. Tomlin could be replaced, and as long as their front office structure and dick lebeau remained, they'd be just fine. Take away Belichick from NE and they're going down the toilet quickly.

sorry, that game slipped my mind. But still doesn't change the fact that his defense isn't anything special and definitely not good enough to win another SB.

Belichick>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tomlin


Belichick built the Patriots and turned them into what they are today. Tomlin took over what Cower built. The Steelers organization is structured so that you can pretty much plug in any HC and they will have success.

If only it was that easy. It's not.

Actually, for an organization like Pittsburgh it is. What makes Tomlin great? What did he do that another solid coach couldn't have in this situation? The steelers ARE dick
lebeau's defense. Without it they'd be nothing special. That's nothing Tomlin did. Tomlin is alot more "along for the ride" than people realize.

Ask every single NFL owner "you're rebuilding your franchise, you get to pick any current coach to do it. 32 of 32 say Belichick. Even Pittsburgh. He's a coaching genius that built a dynasty from a mediocre franchise. Outside Tom Brady (a 6th round backup college qb), Belichick won titles with a bunch of role players.

If you're going take credit away Tomlin. I can easily bring up spygate to take away credit from Belicheck. Taping a walk through is one thing, but taping signals is just low.

Yeah, Belichick made a dynasty because he taped some teams sidelines...

Belichick is the reason his team is a title contender. Tomlin is not. It's that simple.

Belichick is overrated. Not saying he's a bad coach by any means. But "the reason" the Pats are a dynasty? Gimme a break.

The Pats didn't take off until Brady got the job. And he only got the job because Bledsoe got hurt. Belichick had Bledsoe ahead of Brady on the depth chart. We all know Belichick is not an offensive guy, Weis and McDaniels brought the best out of Brady. Robert Kraft and Scott Peoli had as much to do with New England's dynasty as Belichick. You seem to be forgetting Belichick's failed stint with Cleveland. Didn't bring a dynasty there, did he? Probably cuz he didn't have a star QB and a great personnel man. Game, set, and match, my friend.

So Bill Walsh wasnt the reason we were a dynasty? he needed Montana? Belichick is ABSOLUTELY the reason the Pats are a dynasty. Brady was just his linchpin for making it all work. he had the foresight to draft Brady in the 6th round, who nobody seemed to want. he gets credit for Brady whether you like it or not. No way does Brady end up in the HOF without Bill Belichick. his system makes this team a winner.

His failed stint in Cleveland was the most successful stint the team has seen in the last 20 years, and the Browns were moved the Baltimore and they scrapped the staff. Belichick was 36-44 with CLE, including an 11-5 season. He didnt have much power or resources to work with. in 1990 the year before he got there, the Browns pt. differential was -234. his years with them? -5, -3, -3, +136, -67. he did what he could with them.

Robert Kraft signs the paychecks, he has little to do with the success of the team, like most owners.

without Belichick, this team would not be even close to a dynasty. watch what happens to the team after he leaves, whenever that will be.

[ Edited by Niners99 on Feb 3, 2011 at 12:42:54 ]

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
Coach of the year is easily Mike McCarthy.

No team in the history of football has lost as many starters for as many games as the Packers, and even made the playoffs. Green Bays starters have missed a combined 90+ games, no team with that stat has ever won more than 6 games... Case closed.

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Ah, the power of the East Coast media. No way they are going to give the award to a bunch of cheesehead who only produce food for the nation.

that's a weird direction to take this discussion...

anyway, there's a lot of deserving candidates, but its hard to fault them for awarding BB, since his team went 14-2 with a young defense and a bunch of rookies and castoffs at the offensive skill positions.

eh, I just get tired of urban elitists refusing to recognize the importance of the millions of people who live in rural areas by choice because that is where they can produce food for the nation and the world. Sorry for the misdirection...

Bill Belichick. Pretty easy answer to this one.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
Coach of the year is easily Mike McCarthy.

No team in the history of football has lost as many starters for as many games as the Packers, and even made the playoffs. Green Bays starters have missed a combined 90+ games, no team with that stat has ever won more than 6 games... Case closed.

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Ah, the power of the East Coast media. No way they are going to give the award to a bunch of cheesehead who only produce food for the nation.

that's a weird direction to take this discussion...

anyway, there's a lot of deserving candidates, but its hard to fault them for awarding BB, since his team went 14-2 with a young defense and a bunch of rookies and castoffs at the offensive skill positions.

eh, I just get tired of urban elitists refusing to recognize the importance of the millions of people who live in rural areas by choice because that is where they can produce food for the nation and the world. Sorry for the misdirection...

Belichek winning Coach of the Year is definitely an example of that.