Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by KamLeon:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Pretty much my assessment on the guy too, high floor low ceiling guy. Like I have always said, this guy ain't no Von Miller. For what is worth, he won't bust out like Solomon Thomas, he will be able to contribute to some degree, but he is no dominant game changer if that is what you are after. I have nothing against the guy, he seems like a pretty chilled dude.

Pretty much agree with all this. I don't see Bosa as a superstar game changer and he has too many injury concerns. We don't need another part time player.

I'm not saying that QW or JA are superstar players, I just think both of them have less concerns and will provide more impact.

Interesting. I totally disagree mind you. With our D line I see Bosa as a major game changer.

Yeah, major game changer for Nick.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by evil:

One cannot play with a torn ACL or the core injury Nick suffered.

Joey has missed time for a hamstring and a foot injury. But he played through most of a season with a dislocated finger that refused to heal properly and had to have surgery in the off-season to repair.

So what exactly is their injury philosophy?

Wasnt Joey cleared to play early last year? He opted to get 2nd and 3rd opinions and made the decision to sit out until week 11. The chargers expected him and planned for him to play opening day and carried the uncertainty from week to week for half the season. Left hanging. None of the drs found anything that amounted to more than a bone bruise which 99% of nfl players would play through.

What does Joey have to do with Nick aside family holidays?

This isn't a comment on whether we should take Bosa or someone else but I have noticed that the interest in him is far and away the most of any of the players being talked about. His thread is almost always posted and there is rarely more than 10 minutes between comments. The other players come and go and there are far fewer comments being posted. It may not make a difference but he sure is the biggest conversation maker. Kind of like Tiger Woods: you love him or hate him but people watch him. He has about double the comments as Williams who is #2.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Stop with the injury trash you really need to find something thats actually meaningful. Projecting injury is retarded. It's the NFL every player will get hurt. You can't assume so and so will be hurt more because a past relative got hurt.

Quit with the lazy takes man...be better

Actually it's about injury history and potential of missed games. It's the NFL is exactly right, if you can't make it through a college schedule, it's not far fetched to think that you can't make it through a NFL schedule.

Good job ny and Phoenix . Can't believe some of the rubbish I just read in this thread lol. Keep in mind glorydayz back in the day basically said kap is better than luck and that kap would be signed immediately once free agency started

Originally posted by northoakland510:

I still don't see how that's a lazy take. They all share the same DNA and appear to have the same philosophy when they are injured.

Without question it's the laziest of takes...there no hereditary links saying he's gonna be injuried all the damn time because his dad got hurt 40 yrs ago. We're not talking about him having a heart disease or some s**t.

ITS FOOTBALL every player is gonna get hurt. Jerry rice tore his ACL. Steve young got the shot knocked out of him. Ray Lewis dealt with torn biceps. Patrick Willis retired because of his damn toe.

QW has just had hand surgery, it's part of playing the game.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Pretty much my assessment on the guy too, high floor low ceiling guy. Like I have always said, this guy ain't no Von Miller. For what is worth, he won't bust out like Solomon Thomas, he will be able to contribute to some degree, but he is no dominant game changer if that is what you are after. I have nothing against the guy, he seems like a pretty chilled dude.

I think one of the reasons Haley was so good was he always had a good DT by his side. In Dallas, he had Russell Maryland. With the 49ers he had Subblefield, Holt and Michael Carter. I think you have to evaluate what team Bosa will play in to really get the feel of how he might do from a high ceiling standpoint. Look at Myles Garrett he was ordinary in his first year and elite his second year and I think one of the reasons is the development of the DT next to him in Larry Ogunjobi. With Buckner already at an elite level - I think Bosa's ceiling can be as high as any of our Yellow Jacket guys of days past. Give Bosa some good man coverage DB's to give him time to get to the QB, pay Buckner $100 million, and Bosa's ceiling is way up there, in my opinion.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by northoakland510:
I still don't see how that's a lazy take. They all share the same DNA and appear to have the same philosophy when they are injured.

Without question it's the laziest of takes...there no hereditary links saying he's gonna be injuried all the damn time because his dad got hurt 40 yrs ago. We're not talking about him having a heart disease or some s**t.

I disagree. I think genetics without question play a role in durability. Physicians use family history extensively when determining risk factors.

I mean, look at something as simple as tooth health: studies suggest that genetics play somewhere between a 40-60% role in tooth decay. Meaning, all things equal -- identical diet, identical brushing habits, etc -- some people are much more likely to get cavities, because their genetics produce weaker and more susceptible enamel.

Obviously sometimes injuries are going to happen no matter what, but without a doubt some people have a genetic predisposition to getting hurt.

Here's a great article that touches on the topic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/02/the-genetics-of-being-injury-prone/385257/

Here are some interesting snippets/examples:

The same COL1A1 gene has also been linked to other soft-tissue injuries, like Achilles-tendon ruptures and shoulder dislocations. In a review article that combined the results of multiple studies on the COL1A1 gene, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine in 2010, researchers concluded that those with the TT genotype—one of three potential variants of the gene, found only in 5 percent of the population—are extremely unlikely to suffer a traumatic ligament or tendon injury.

The COL5A1 gene, another one associated with collagen production, has been linked to a higher risk of injury of the ACL and Achilles tendon, as well as greater susceptibility to exercise-induced muscle cramping. A 2013 study in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine found that specific variants of COL5A1 were strongly correlated with muscle cramping among runners in the Two Oceans Marathon in South Africa.

Researchers have also identified genetic markers associated with bone-mineral density, an important measure of bone strength that provides clinicians with information on a patient's risk of fracture. One gene combination, investigated in a 2010 study in the journal BMC Genetics, was associated with a nearly four-fold increased risk of stress fractures among army recruits. A separate study, published in the Archives of Pediatric Adolescent Medicine in 2009, found that osteoporosis in older women and increased rates of stress fractures in young women also tend to run in a family.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Here's a great article that touches on the topic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/02/the-genetics-of-being-injury-prone/385257/

Here are some interesting snippets/examples:

The same COL1A1 gene has also been linked to other soft-tissue injuries, like Achilles-tendon ruptures and shoulder dislocations. In a review article that combined the results of multiple studies on the COL1A1 gene, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine in 2010, researchers concluded that those with the TT genotype—one of three potential variants of the gene, found only in 5 percent of the population—are extremely unlikely to suffer a traumatic ligament or tendon injury.

The COL5A1 gene, another one associated with collagen production, has been linked to a higher risk of injury of the ACL and Achilles tendon, as well as greater susceptibility to exercise-induced muscle cramping. A 2013 study in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine found that specific variants of COL5A1 were strongly correlated with muscle cramping among runners in the Two Oceans Marathon in South Africa.

Researchers have also identified genetic markers associated with bone-mineral density, an important measure of bone strength that provides clinicians with information on a patient's risk of fracture. One gene combination, investigated in a 2010 study in the journal BMC Genetics, was associated with a nearly four-fold increased risk of stress fractures among army recruits. A separate study, published in the Archives of Pediatric Adolescent Medicine in 2009, found that osteoporosis in older women and increased rates of stress fractures in young women also tend to run in a family.

Then just find out if he has this "COL1A1" gene

Go look at the Mannings' Archie delt with injuries his whole career. I think in 15+ yrs he played 16 games games only 3 seasons.

Cal Ripken jr is looked at as the iron man of sports his brother billy dealt with injuries his whole career. venus williams Has also delt with injuries throughout her career and Serena Williams has been a machine.

It's a reach imo. Football players get hurt and families that are full of football players will have people that are hurt.

Originally posted by theduke85:

I disagree. I think genetics without question play a role in durability. Physicians use family history extensively when determining risk factors.

I mean, look at something as simple as tooth health: studies suggest that genetics play somewhere between a 40-60% role in tooth decay. Meaning, all things equal -- identical diet, identical brushing habits, etc -- some people are much more likely to get cavities, because their genetics produce weaker and more susceptible enamel.

Obviously sometimes injuries are going to happen no matter what, but without a doubt some people have a genetic predisposition to getting hurt.

Dude now we're talking about tooth decay?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Pretty much my assessment on the guy too, high floor low ceiling guy. Like I have always said, this guy ain't no Von Miller. For what is worth, he won't bust out like Solomon Thomas, he will be able to contribute to some degree, but he is no dominant game changer if that is what you are after. I have nothing against the guy, he seems like a pretty chilled dude.

I think one of the reasons Haley was so good was he always had a good DT by his side. In Dallas, he had Russell Maryland. With the 49ers he had Subblefield, Holt and Michael Carter. I think you have to evaluate what team Bosa will play in to really get the feel of how he might do from a high ceiling standpoint. Look at Myles Garrett he was ordinary in his first year and elite his second year and I think one of the reasons is the development of the DT next to him in Larry Ogunjobi. With Buckner already at an elite level - I think Bosa's ceiling can be as high as any of our Yellow Jacket guys of days past. Give Bosa some good man coverage DB's to give him time to get to the QB, pay Buckner $100 million, and Bosa's ceiling is way up there, in my opinion.

This. Look no further then Aldon Smith. He was a MONSTER when paired with the Cowboy. When Cowboy went down coupled with Aldon's issues there was a major drop off in his production. I think Aldon still would have been a very good player if it weren't for his troubles but I attribute the short period of his greatness to him having Cowboy right next to him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theduke85:

Here's a great article that touches on the topic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/02/the-genetics-of-being-injury-prone/385257/

Here are some interesting snippets/examples:

The same COL1A1 gene has also been linked to other soft-tissue injuries, like Achilles-tendon ruptures and shoulder dislocations. In a review article that combined the results of multiple studies on the COL1A1 gene, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine in 2010, researchers concluded that those with the TT genotype—one of three potential variants of the gene, found only in 5 percent of the population—are extremely unlikely to suffer a traumatic ligament or tendon injury.

The COL5A1 gene, another one associated with collagen production, has been linked to a higher risk of injury of the ACL and Achilles tendon, as well as greater susceptibility to exercise-induced muscle cramping. A 2013 study in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine found that specific variants of COL5A1 were strongly correlated with muscle cramping among runners in the Two Oceans Marathon in South Africa.

Researchers have also identified genetic markers associated with bone-mineral density, an important measure of bone strength that provides clinicians with information on a patient's risk of fracture. One gene combination, investigated in a 2010 study in the journal BMC Genetics, was associated with a nearly four-fold increased risk of stress fractures among army recruits. A separate study, published in the Archives of Pediatric Adolescent Medicine in 2009, found that osteoporosis in older women and increased rates of stress fractures in young women also tend to run in a family.

Then just find out if he has this "COL1A1" gene

Go look at the Mannings' Archie delt with injuries his whole career. I think in 15+ yrs he played 16 games games only 3 seasons.

Cal Ripken jr is looked at as the iron man of sports his brother billy dealt with injuries his whole career. venus williams Has also delt with injuries throughout her career and Serena Williams has been a machine.

It's a reach imo. Football players get hurt and families that are full of football players will have people that are hurt.

Yah I think trying a apply those articles to football players in general or athletes in general is a huge reach. Then again, if there was a test done on every proffesional athlete this article may hold water. But until then I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theduke85:
I disagree. I think genetics without question play a role in durability. Physicians use family history extensively when determining risk factors.

I mean, look at something as simple as tooth health: studies suggest that genetics play somewhere between a 40-60% role in tooth decay. Meaning, all things equal -- identical diet, identical brushing habits, etc -- some people are much more likely to get cavities, because their genetics produce weaker and more susceptible enamel.

Obviously sometimes injuries are going to happen no matter what, but without a doubt some people have a genetic predisposition to getting hurt.

Dude now we're talking about tooth decay?

Wow, what a surprise, another analogy lost on you.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Dude now we're talking about tooth decay?

I want to see his families dental records now.