The Marcus Davenport Hype Train Is Leaving the Station

Originally posted by Jcool:


PFF started fueling the Davenport train prior to the 2017 season on the backs of strong grading the prior two seasons. He made us look smart (a rarity) by delivering a monster senior season in which he collected 57 total pressures – 18 more than his previous career high. Tons of guys produce at a high-level at Group of 5 schools but won't sniff this list because they lack athleticism. That's not the case with Davenport however, as he ran a 4.58 40 at 264-pounds and broad jumped 10-foot-4 in Indy.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-college-prospects-whose-pass-rushing-should-translate-to-the-nfl

0 pressures at UTEP. Wondered if hernandez had anything to do with that

Originally posted by tjd808185:

So he added 10 pounds. At the combine he was 250, Davenport 264. That's the only even track where they tested. It can be faulty to compare pro day #'s to combine #'s.

I could care less if you eat humble pie. That means nothing here. Your opinion is noted it doesn't make it better than 4 out of 5 experts saying he'll be the pass rusher 5 years from now despite seeing your concerns.

If it means nothing in here then why are you commenting on my opinion & constantly arguing with me about everything? We all have our own opinions on someone dude. You literally arguing with me about everything for the sake of arguing. s**t is getting old.

Sure I'll look at everyone's mock and listen to all the "draft gurus" I'm not gonna just say well he said so and so is gonna be great so there It is lol. They've all been wrong as s**t plently of times.

I'm gonna look at everything for myself and form my own opinion. It has nothing about being close minded at all. I simply don't think he's as good as some people do, if that bothers you I don't know what to tell ya. IF he becomes a 49er, I'll root for him to succeed same as any guy on the team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If it means nothing in here then why are you commenting on my opinion & constantly arguing with me about everything? We all have our own opinions on someone dude. You literally arguing with me about everything for the sake of arguing. s**t is getting old.

Sure I'll look at everyone's mock and listen to all the "draft gurus" I'm not gonna just say well he said so and so is gonna be great so there It is lol. They've all been wrong as s**t plently of times.

I'm gonna look at everything for myself and form my own opinion. It has nothing about being close minded at all. I simply don't think he's as good as some people do, if that bothers you I don't know what to tell ya. IF he becomes a 49er, I'll root for him to succeed same as any guy on the team.

I argue my opinions it has nothing to do with you. Don't flatter yourself. Is it really my fault you have hundreds of posts on every top player and why we can't take them again.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I argue my opinions it has nothing to do with you. Don't flatter yourself. Is it really my fault you have hundreds of posts on every top player and why we can't take them again.

I don't give a s**t if you argue your opinions man, everyone is entitled to do that. You find a way to argue with everything though. You've even stated you'd prefer Landry over davenport YET you're still finding a way to argue about it.

All I have done is form an opinion on different players like every other poster in here this time of yr...dats it. I don't think he's a top 10 talent you do apparently.

As far as me having 100s of posts on players giving my opinions on them...if you don't care what I have to say then don't comment on my posts...I'm not the only poster in here my man. I'm sure you can find plently of other people to debate with

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I argue my opinions it has nothing to do with you. Don't flatter yourself. Is it really my fault you have hundreds of posts on every top player and why we can't take them again.

I don't give a s**t if you argue your opinions man, everyone is entitled to do that. You find a way to argue with everything though. You've even stated you'd prefer Landry over davenport YET you're still finding a way to argue about it.

All I have done is form an opinion on different players like every other poster in here this time of yr...dats it. I don't think he's a top 10 talent you do apparently.

As far as me having 100s of posts on players giving my opinions on them...if you don't care what I have to say then don't comment on my posts...I'm not the only poster in here my man. I'm sure you can find plently of other people to debate with

Just because I like Landry over Davenport doesn't mean I'd hate it if we took Davenport. We don't control who gets selected. Landry, Edmunds, Smith, Davenport all fine with me and I state that.

I said I don't care if you end up eating crow. As in your opinion isn't special. I didn't mean it like you have no right to analyze anything or post here.

Some of your opinions like we have AA why take him leads to debate. But I'll call a to on you until after the draft. Or at least try I'm not really good at that.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Just because I like Landry over Davenport doesn't mean I'd hate it if we took Davenport. We don't control who gets selected. Landry, Edmunds, Smith, Davenport all fine with me and I state that.

I said I don't care if you end up eating crow. As in your opinion isn't special. I didn't mean it like you have no right to analyze anything or post here.

Some of your opinions like we have AA why take him leads to debate. But I'll call a to on you until after the draft. Or at least try I'm not really good at that.

Nope we as fans don't control who we draft.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
okay...everything I've seen from the LEO prospects they've brought in are similar to Landry as far as height/weight goes. (size was an issue for you I guess)

Saleh has talked about the importance of getting off the field on 3rd down and having that speed around the edge. throw Buck/Thomas inside along with Landry coming around the edge and there you go.

I know the "3 down player" thing is a bugaboo for you...but I've already shown that a guy like Yannick (who's a worse run defender than Landry) and is smaller/less athletic version of Landry had 920 snaps this past yr (only 10 less than K Mack).

it's all about getting to the QB.

we will agree to disagree on who we like...all good!

That's a point the Davenport crowd needs to hear. If we thought Davenport was the ideal Leo type for the system you'd see us looking at guys of similar body types as backup plans. Someone like Ade Aruna could be seen as a plan b.

We're hitting up guys who like Yannick for the most part though. I give us credit for looking into Davenport and just not writing him off but I think Landry will be our guy.

I think Landry would be a perfect fit for our team. Quickness and speed at that position will really make this defense very hard to deal with.

Originally posted by genus49:
The reason he's saying pass rusher is because that's what we need. Putting a heavy run defender who won't bring much pass rush out there doesn't help the defense. A defense which will be playing with a lot more leads or close games now that Jimmy is the QB.

Look at what the Colts did with Manning. They loaded up on super fast defenders whose primary focus was pass rush/pass coverage...which is partly why they struggled so much in the playoffs when Manning couldn't put up huge numbers and other teams could run on them.

Overall if Landry is the worst run defender out there we're still a pretty good run defend team so unlike the Colts we won't be gashed just by having Landry out there.

You keep under rating Harold as a run defender too. The thing is he has a lot of room to grow just because he's not as raw as Davenport doesn't mean his ceiling is low.

The scheme will also limit whatever run defense weaknesses he has (real or imagined). Teams dont call runs to the weakside a majority of the time for a reason. Its schematically harder to run that way because of a lack of a tight end.

At the end of the day we need a speed rusher that would benefit playing next to Buck on passing downs. Landry is that guy that will contribute on passing downs day 1 and will make a career getting to the passer. We rotate our DL so knock of he sucks against he run isn't an issue when we can just play Solly there early and kick him inside for Landry.
Lower ceiling but guaranteed production over the long shot that is Davenport.

Originally posted by Jcool:


PFF started fueling the Davenport train prior to the 2017 season on the backs of strong grading the prior two seasons. He made us look smart (a rarity) by delivering a monster senior season in which he collected 57 total pressures – 18 more than his previous career high. Tons of guys produce at a high-level at Group of 5 schools but won't sniff this list because they lack athleticism. That's not the case with Davenport however, as he ran a 4.58 40 at 264-pounds and broad jumped 10-foot-4 in Indy.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-college-prospects-whose-pass-rushing-should-translate-to-the-nfl

I think if they do take Davenport, it's because they are confident he has the speed and athleticism to get around left OT's. I don't think they would take him if it was otherwise. Davenport's bull rush and power moves probably won't add anything to his pass rush in the NFL. At least not in the Saleh's defensive scheme.

Davenport was next on my cut up series, could only get Rice, Marshall, N Texas & Baylor so a little limited.

I can't get on board the Davenport train, I ding Landry a lot for not having a plan when attacking a OT, Davenport makes Landry look like Reggie White in that regard.

I get that he's raw but he just runs straight ahead 80% of the time, every now and then he aims at the outside shoulder and uses a decent rip move, but it's few and far between.

I also don't see the athleticism, he's slower than everyone I've watched off the ball, and while he has a tiny burst, it doesn't seem to last long.

I can't behind his draft stock, if he was 2 inches shorter he'd be a 3rd or 4th round pick.

I'm terms of actual talent he's the lowest ranked pass rusher I've done so far, below guys talked about as Day 3 picks like Turay & Haynes. I'd take Ejiofor or Holland over him in a heartbeat. He reminds me a little of Deshawn Hand at Bama also talked about as a day 3 pick.

Is his upside really high enough to justify him as a top 10 pick?

Marcus Davenport showed up at the University of Texas at San Antonio—which played its first game in 2011—weighing less than 200 pounds, having switched positions late in high school and viewing football as a means to a good education rather than a potential lifelong pursuit. But as a Roadrunner, he added 60 pounds while turning into a game-wrecking pass rusher who most believe has not yet hit his ceiling.

Davenport was not in Albert Breer's heavily sourced first-round mock draft as recently as November, but sits at No. 12 in the most recent version, with other experts pegging him inside the top 10. Besides his lack of experienced polish, one of the biggest knocks against Davenport by old-school football thinkers is that he does not have a traditional football-obsessed, uber-confident mindset. Les Snead reportedly gave Davenport a book on thriving as an introvert after the prospect said he was nervous during their private meeting. According to USA Today, "He journals, writes poetry, watches Anime and is excited to wear the T-shirt his girlfriend bought him that says 'We should all be feminists.' "

No thanks.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Marcus Davenport showed up at the University of Texas at San Antonio—which played its first game in 2011—weighing less than 200 pounds, having switched positions late in high school and viewing football as a means to a good education rather than a potential lifelong pursuit. But as a Roadrunner, he added 60 pounds while turning into a game-wrecking pass rusher who most believe has not yet hit his ceiling.

Davenport was not in Albert Breer's heavily sourced first-round mock draft as recently as November, but sits at No. 12 in the most recent version, with other experts pegging him inside the top 10. Besides his lack of experienced polish, one of the biggest knocks against Davenport by old-school football thinkers is that he does not have a traditional football-obsessed, uber-confident mindset. Les Snead reportedly gave Davenport a book on thriving as an introvert after the prospect said he was nervous during their private meeting. According to USA Today, "He journals, writes poetry, watches Anime and is excited to wear the T-shirt his girlfriend bought him that says 'We should all be feminists.' "

No thanks.

Your post reminded me of Kwami Harris for some reason. Kwami played the piano, and was a very intellectual stanford student. I agree, I think from a mental standpoint, he may not fit the Kyle criteria of eat, drink, and sleep football.

Not an analysis, but more of a background story for Davenport:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764898-whats-wrong-with-nfl-draft-prospect-marcus-davenport-is-the-wrong-question

Originally posted by investasi:
Not an analysis, but more of a background story for Davenport:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764898-whats-wrong-with-nfl-draft-prospect-marcus-davenport-is-the-wrong-question

I feel bad that it comes off like this but I don't want this kid.

For every Curtis Martin who didn't love the game but treated it like a job and was very good at it...there are a lot more failures like Kwame Harris, Rashaun Woods, etc..

Guys who weren't a great fit for an NFL locker room, who didn't love the game and couldn't handle the attention/scrutiny.

If I'm using a top 10 pick I want a guy I know loves this game. Give me a kid with big talent who loves the sport and that ups the odds that he will be successful.

When you love your job it makes it much easier to do the extra "credit" little things - watching game film, lifting, working on techniques...etc If you treat the sport like a game some of those things become very tedious and not everyone can keep up with them properly.

With Davenport being so raw he really need to work on those extra credit little things so if he's not in love with the game and has all these other interests do we want to assume he's going to work on everything? He may very well do all the little things and sees the big picture but personally I'm not making that gamble at 9.