The Marcus Davenport Hype Train Is Leaving the Station

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Easy lol...I use PFF same as you (paid subscriber), I just don't use it as the end all be all on a player....wait so you're saying PFF might be wrong on a guy

I don't get to watch BC games every week lol. I'm gonna look more into a lot of players come draft time.

I don't use PFF as a end all be all. I use it as a source and got slammed by you and Genus saying it is useless.

Then you use it to defend a guy you like. That's not how it works.

No no no if you look back at our comments I said I use PFF, but like I said not as a end all be all...you used PFF against solly, four weeks into his rookie career to say he was garbage and a waste of a pick. You used it to try and prove your point. Like you said it's a source but it shouldn't be law.

I brought up what PFF said about Landry (which was end of 2016) regarding his run D. I'm not jumping on the Landry bandwagon....in fact I've been one of the more enthusiastic posters regarding Davenport in here. So no it has nothing to do with trying to "support" who I like.

That said I have no problem if they think Landry can be the guy....I'll I did was throw out a PFF stat about a debate, you don't get to say it only works vs Solly but not for Landry either

is this thread still about Davenport? haha

Im jumping on this train. Cant wait to see him in the senior bowl. 49ers have got to get a spot at coaching one of the teams. Perfect time to evaluate the talent and personalities and knock this draft out of the park.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
I don't use PFF as a end all be all. I use it as a source and got slammed by you and Genus saying it is useless.

Then you use it to defend a guy you like. That's not how it works.

It certainly seems like it because you keep trying to say how impressive Arik Armstead has been when we all see the same guy play.

he has a lot to work on, but you see flashes of dominance.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

I watched that game. When a team allows like 500 yards rushing and 7 TD's and there is a supposed top 10 pick on that D questions have to be asked.

He had 1 tackle vs a sophomore RT and did nothing when he moved to the left side.

If I'm taking a guy top 10 he better be able to produce against NFL calibre linemen. That's why I questioned Solomon. His stocked soared because he had a good game vs North Carolina in the bowl game. Problem is, none of those guys blocking him will even sniff the NFL.

Again, if we are taking another linemen in the top 10 he better excel at all facets. Solomon has proved to be stout vs the run but isn't as impactful of a pass rusher that the 3rd overall pick should be yet. We don't need another one dimensional too 10 defensive lineman.

Myles Garnett vs Alabama gave up 236 yards to Derrick Henery? When he played vs Auburn they gave up 320 yards.

I've seen guys like Daniel Jeremiah and PFF compare Landry to Vic Beasley who wasn't a stud vs the run in college either. I've also seen Tony Pauline compare him to Dwight Freeney.

I like him and yes there are other edge guys to be had in the draft, IMO it will determine where we're picking and what we've already done in FA

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

is this thread still about Davenport? haha

Im jumping on this train. Cant wait to see him in the senior bowl. 49ers have got to get a spot at coaching one of the teams. Perfect time to evaluate the talent and personalities and knock this draft out of the park.

This will be tough, we need a lot of twitchy GM's and owners! Let's get sacking people!!!! I love that we aren't on the carousel this year!

Originally posted by saniner:
he has a lot to work on, but you see flashes of dominance.

yeah the biggest con i see is that he isnt very flexible. He relies on his strength and violent hands. If he knew how to dip around the Tackle, he would of had alot more sacks in that N.Texas game. Also seems like his change of direction isnt very good so i can see him struggling if he ever had to drop into coverage. I would still prefer Landry just based on his speed and how it compliments our other players

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Myles Garnett vs Alabama gave up 236 yards to Derrick Henery? When he played vs Auburn they gave up 320 yards.

I've seen guys like Daniel Jeremiah and PFF compare Landry to Vic Beasley who wasn't a stud vs the run in college either. I've also seen Tony Pauline compare him to Dwight Freeney.

I like him and yes there are other edge guys to be had in the draft, IMO it will determine where we're picking and what we've already done in FA

Good points.

He plays high, which negates any flexibility. I like that he has a semblance of a plan when he rushes.

I've seen conflicting info about his height. He seems to be listed anywhere from 6'5" to 6'7". Personally, I like shorter(6'3" and shorter) edge rushers with natural leverage.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
I watched that game. When a team allows like 500 yards rushing and 7 TD's and there is a supposed top 10 pick on that D questions have to be asked.

He had 1 tackle vs a sophomore RT and did nothing when he moved to the left side.

If I'm taking a guy top 10 he better be able to produce against NFL calibre linemen. That's why I questioned Solomon. His stocked soared because he had a good game vs North Carolina in the bowl game. Problem is, none of those guys blocking him will even sniff the NFL.

Again, if we are taking another linemen in the top 10 he better excel at all facets. Solomon has proved to be stout vs the run but isn't as impactful of a pass rusher that the 3rd overall pick should be yet. We don't need another one dimensional too 10 defensive lineman.

So how did the Saints allow Sam Bradford for almost 350 yards and Tom Brady to throw for over 400 when Lattimore is such a shut down corner?

One player can't overcome deficiencies for 10 other guys. You saying he had 1 tackle doesn't sound like you watched the game in all honesty.

You're not even being consistent with your analysis. You want Davenport but what has he answered? His best games have been against nobodies and he needs to address a lot more questions at the senior bowl than Landry.

The thing with speed rushers is they may not win every time...but when they do it's usually a big play waiting to happen. Lots of fumbles and sacks. At Leo Landry wouldn't have to be the prime run stopper so as long as he's not getting bowled over him just keeping contain is sufficient and he can certainly do that.

Here's the game btw to see what actually happened

The big run plays start after 5 minute mark. One was a nice scramble play when the BC left a wide hole in dropping a defender back and having Landry rush. The big rushing TD was a bad whiff by Landry but he was in position to make the play(we've seen Russell Wilson make guys like Justin Smith and Willis/Bowman look bad on similar plays it didn't mean they suck vs the run) but the rest of the defense allowed him to break it for a huge run.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

is this thread still about Davenport? haha

Im jumping on this train. Cant wait to see him in the senior bowl. 49ers have got to get a spot at coaching one of the teams. Perfect time to evaluate the talent and personalities and knock this draft out of the park.

Yeah he's got a real high ceiling, can't wait for the senior bowl

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
yeah the biggest con i see is that he isnt very flexible. He relies on his strength and violent hands. If he knew how to dip around the Tackle, he would of had alot more sacks in that N.Texas game. Also seems like his change of direction isnt very good so i can see him struggling if he ever had to drop into coverage. I would still prefer Landry just based on his speed and how it compliments our other players

Yup...i saw the same things watching him. While I like that he has those physical tools and gives a good effort him playing so stiff is a little concerning. It could be just him being raw as a rusher or it could be just what he is. Guy like Davenport I'm curious to see his 3 cone/SS numbers at the combine. Does he have the athletic ability in shorts? If so then that would make me feel better about him doing it with pads on with more time/coaching.

And sorry for taking the thread off course

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
yeah the biggest con i see is that he isnt very flexible. He relies on his strength and violent hands. If he knew how to dip around the Tackle, he would of had alot more sacks in that N.Texas game. Also seems like his change of direction isnt very good so i can see him struggling if he ever had to drop into coverage. I would still prefer Landry just based on his speed and how it compliments our other players

Yup...i saw the same things watching him. While I like that he has those physical tools and gives a good effort him playing so stiff is a little concerning. It could be just him being raw as a rusher or it could be just what he is. Guy like Davenport I'm curious to see his 3 cone/SS numbers at the combine. Does he have the athletic ability in shorts? If so then that would make me feel better about him doing it with pads on with more time/coaching.

yeah the cone drill will definitely give us a better idea of his quickness. I need to watch more film on him because maybe he was having some hamstring issue or some other nagging injury that was limiting his play but his stiffness jumps out pretty bad. He plays like he is 280

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Now you're using PFF links to support you're cause but we can't use them to criticize players you Like??

Landry got absolutely OWNED vs Notre Dame. They had 2 guys run for 200 yards and had 7 TD's. He went against a freshman RT and did nothing. The few plays he had against McGlinchey he did worse and he got rag dolled and abused by Quenton Nelson. He is a 2nd rounder IMO especially in this deep draft for pass rushers.

Landry also played most of the ND game on 3rd downs and was kept away for most of his snaps from ND's left side. Might be an indication he was less than 100% going into that game.

Also via Brian Kelly and how they defended Landry's rush :

"Any time Landry was to McGlinchey's side, we were going to fan, so that was going to get a double-team with both McGlinchey and Nelson, so we weren't too concerned about that.

"And then we were going to get inside help with a tight end or back when (Landry) was away (to the right side) and let the tackles worry about speed rush. They did not have to worry about any counter move inside. They were going to get protected inside-out with a tight end or a back so they could just play his speed rush, which allowed them to sink fast, play only one move upfield, and they were protected inside. (The plan) helped us out."