The Marcus Davenport Hype Train Is Leaving the Station

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Landry wouldn't crack LEO for years, because teams would run all over him. He's a Nickel rusher day one, and maybe a future SAM in base, we have to work out if that's enough, probably is but depends what else is there.

Davenport is all on Senior Bowl and then interviews, there's a reason he had to play that level of competition, now we need to know if he's ready to step up in the pro's.

What you laid out would be fine for now though with our personnel. We can play big with ST, Buckner and AA in base then you use Landry as a nickel rusher.

The important thing is to find the best pass rusher.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Like I said I'm no scout so until the detailed reports come out I'm out if depth there.

What you laid out would be fine for now though with our personnel. We can play big with ST, Buckner and AA in base then you use Landry as a nickel rusher.

The important thing is to find the best pass rusher.

Then yes Landry is your guy, I can live with this out of mid 1st rounder but only if there isn't a complete player around, my hope would be for Roquan Smith.

I would then try to take Jeff Holland to be my Nickel rusher, future SAM. Problem with this is I also want OL help, we're going to need some help in Free Agency

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Landry wouldn't crack LEO for years, because teams would run all over him. He's a Nickel rusher day one, and maybe a future SAM in base, we have to work out if that's enough, probably is but depends what else is there.

Davenport is all on Senior Bowl and then interviews, there's a reason he had to play that level of competition, now we need to know if he's ready to step up in the pro's.

Just because Landry doesn't have huge size doesn't mean he's a major liability vs the run. Von Miller plays the run very well and he's like 240lbs.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Landry wouldn't crack LEO for years, because teams would run all over him. He's a Nickel rusher day one, and maybe a future SAM in base, we have to work out if that's enough, probably is but depends what else is there.

Davenport is all on Senior Bowl and then interviews, there's a reason he had to play that level of competition, now we need to know if he's ready to step up in the pro's.

Just because Landry doesn't have huge size doesn't mean he's a major liability vs the run. Von Miller plays the run very well and he's like 240lbs.

from PFF

"It wasn't just in the pass game where Landry excelled, with 36 stops in run defense, that number ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders. Landry showed he can have a presence in the run game as well."

Originally posted by NYniner85:
from PFF

"It wasn't just in the pass game where Landry excelled, with 36 stops in run defense, that number ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders. Landry showed he can have a presence in the run game as well."

There you go...not sure why people assume smaller guys automatically equal = being run all over.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

from PFF

"It wasn't just in the pass game where Landry excelled, with 36 stops in run defense, that number ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders. Landry showed he can have a presence in the run game as well."

Now you're using PFF links to support you're cause but we can't use them to criticize players you Like??

Landry got absolutely OWNED vs Notre Dame. They had 2 guys run for 200 yards and had 7 TD's. He went against a freshman RT and did nothing. The few plays he had against McGlinchey he did worse and he got rag dolled and abused by Quenton Nelson. He is a 2nd rounder IMO especially in this deep draft for pass rushers.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

from PFF

"It wasn't just in the pass game where Landry excelled, with 36 stops in run defense, that number ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders. Landry showed he can have a presence in the run game as well."

Now you're using PFF links to support you're cause but we can't use them to criticize players you Like??

Landry got absolutely OWNED vs Notre Dame. They had 2 guys run for 200 yards and had 7 TD's. He went against a freshman RT and did nothing. The few plays he had against McGlinchey he did worse and he got rag dolled and abused by Quenton Nelson. He is a 2nd rounder IMO especially in this deep draft for pass rushers.

Easy lol...I use PFF same as you (paid subscriber), I just don't use it as the end all be all on a player....wait so you're saying PFF might be wrong on a guy

I don't get to watch BC games every week lol. I'm gonna look more into a lot of players come draft time.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Now you're using PFF links to support you're cause but we can't use them to criticize players you Like??

Landry got absolutely OWNED vs Notre Dame. They had 2 guys run for 200 yards and had 7 TD's. He went against a freshman RT and did nothing. The few plays he had against McGlinchey he did worse and he got rag dolled and abused by Quenton Nelson. He is a 2nd rounder IMO especially in this deep draft for pass rushers.

I saw most of that game, he also got some very good pressures and owned McGlinchey last year in the rain.

He is certainly a first rounder, the appeal of his bend, dip and speed will get him drafted up there. The team that does it should prepare for him to be a passing down specialist for a while though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Easy lol...I use PFF same as you (paid subscriber), I just don't use it as the end all be all on a player....wait so you're saying PFF might be wrong on a guy

I don't get to watch BC games every week lol. I'm gonna look more into a lot of players come draft time.

I don't use PFF as a end all be all. I use it as a source and got slammed by you and Genus saying it is useless.

Then you use it to defend a guy you like. That's not how it works.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Now you're using PFF links to support you're cause but we can't use them to criticize players you Like??

Landry got absolutely OWNED vs Notre Dame. They had 2 guys run for 200 yards and had 7 TD's. He went against a freshman RT and did nothing. The few plays he had against McGlinchey he did worse and he got rag dolled and abused by Quenton Nelson. He is a 2nd rounder IMO especially in this deep draft for pass rushers.

I wrote you back in the Solomon thread...he did not get OWNED.

OWNED is a team running right at a player and him getting pushed the hell out of the lanes or pancaked. When they ran in Landry's direction he wasn't getting dominated. The few big runs that went his way he was in position to make the play and just couldn't do it...that's not domination that happens to everyone especially by running QBs.

You have this tendency to blame a single player when the whole defense allows big time yards whether in the passing game or running game. The defense has 11 guys out there and one guy isn't giving up all those yards by himself.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I saw most of that game, he also got some very good pressures and owned McGlinchey last year in the rain.

He is certainly a first rounder, the appeal of his bend, dip and speed will get him drafted up there. The team that does it should prepare for him to be a passing down specialist for a while though.

We don't need a specialist. We need a 3 down LEO so Solomon can move to 5T fulltime.

Unless the plan is to keep Tank (Re-signs?) Or Armstead at 5T and Soloman at LEO in base D for run defense and bring in Landry or another specialist at LEO and 5T on passing downs with Solomon and Buck inside.

That would work as well.

Originally posted by genus49:

There you go...not sure why people assume smaller guys automatically equal = being run all over.

Yannick, Avril, Beasley, Irvin. You'll notice a theme on Leo/ sam and they're all undersized and vulnerable to being engulfed. It's a trade off for the explosive wide rushers. If Landry has their positive traits sign me up.

We do need to keep an eye on Davenport though. Best pass rusher is what we need regardless to size.

Originally posted by genus49:

I wrote you back in the Solomon thread...he did not get OWNED.

OWNED is a team running right at a player and him getting pushed the hell out of the lanes or pancaked. When they ran in Landry's direction he wasn't getting dominated. The few big runs that went his way he was in position to make the play and just couldn't do it...that's not domination that happens to everyone especially by running QBs.

You have this tendency to blame a single player when the whole defense allows big time yards whether in the passing game or running game. The defense has 11 guys out there and one guy isn't giving up all those yards by himself.

I watched that game. When a team allows like 500 yards rushing and 7 TD's and there is a supposed top 10 pick on that D questions have to be asked.

He had 1 tackle vs a sophomore RT and did nothing when he moved to the left side.

If I'm taking a guy top 10 he better be able to produce against NFL calibre linemen. That's why I questioned Solomon. His stocked soared because he had a good game vs North Carolina in the bowl game. Problem is, none of those guys blocking him will even sniff the NFL.

Again, if we are taking another linemen in the top 10 he better excel at all facets. Solomon has proved to be stout vs the run but isn't as impactful of a pass rusher that the 3rd overall pick should be yet. We don't need another one dimensional too 10 defensive lineman.

Originally posted by genus49:

I wrote you back in the Solomon thread...he did not get OWNED.

OWNED is a team running right at a player and him getting pushed the hell out of the lanes or pancaked. When they ran in Landry's direction he wasn't getting dominated. The few big runs that went his way he was in position to make the play and just couldn't do it...that's not domination that happens to everyone especially by running QBs.

You have this tendency to blame a single player when the whole defense allows big time yards whether in the passing game or running game. The defense has 11 guys out there and one guy isn't giving up all those yards by himself.

To be fair SteveYoung was defending the opinion that people think Landry struggles against the run due to his weight, by saying it was also due to watching him play.

I've seen some issues from most of these pure pass rushers in playing the run, Key and Holland mainly.

People here are so desperate for a pass rusher that they are overlooking this.

Eli Harold has played the run well enough to stay at SAM while we develop one of these guys to be all rounders, they can then rush the passer on Nickel.

Saleh will not let someone play LEO in base who's a liability against the run, the only one I've seen so far who could do it is Chubb and he won't be there!

That is one reason Davenport is very interesting. Can't wait to watch the Senior Bowl practices

This time last year Solomon Thomas wasn't getting much hype. It wasn't until his bowl game people started noticing him, and he flew up draft boards and ultimately ended up going 3rd. I don't think Davenport will have that same climb, but top 15 seems likely given his ability and potential. He really stands out when you watch him, and he's a great guy off the field as well. I expect him to be high on our draft boards