Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Eli_23:

Idk about this. This feels like another boring D Lineman pick just like Armstead

What's boring about this?



You know what's boring watching teams run on us all day...I'd love some three and outs and actually give our offense a chance

Battles are won on running the ball and stopping the run too, I always believe that

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Last I saw Thomas was tops in the nation at stopping the run...oh we will also be playing in nickel more than base. You can add a big fatty late in the draft, I like the kid from USC (don't make me spell his last name)

Sorry to break it to you but he won't be tops in the NFL at at stopping the run weighting 270 pounds. The NFL is a whole other animal. Dudes with long arms are going to get their hands on him before he does. Those 33" arms are doing him no favors.

His ideal spot is LDE and Deforest has that on lock down. I could see us MOVING Deforest to UT and playing Thomas at LDE but then again I worry that tackles with length will smother him. Imagine Trent Brown and his arms blocking Thomas.

Seattle's UT is Jarran Reed and he is 6'3' 310. Just saying.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Idk about this. This feels like another boring D Lineman pick just like Armstead

What's boring about this?



You know what's boring watching teams run on us all day...I'd love some three and outs and actually give our offense a chance

Battles are won on running the ball and stopping the run too, I always believe that

Why anyone wouldn't want him on our team is beyond me

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Sorry to break it to you but he won't be tops in the NFL at at stopping the run weighting 270 pounds. The NFL is a whole other animal. Dudes with long arms are going to get their hands on him before he does. Those 33" arms are doing him no favors.

His ideal spot is LDE and Deforest has that on lock down. I could see us MOVING Deforest to UT and playing Thomas at LDE but then again I worry that tackles with length will smother him. Imagine Trent Brown and his arms blocking Thomas.

Seattle's UT is Jarran Reed and he is 6'3' 310. Just saying.

Justin smith was pretty f**king good at stopping the run and he was smaller than Solomon coming out of the draft...Solomon was doing stuff like this all yr

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/187561-solomon/page59/ post# 878

You bring up Jarran Reed and arm length when his arms are .375 inches longer (under 34 inches) He didn't even bench at the combine while Solomon busted out 30 reps good for 4th overall among all DL prospects. He benched more than Caleb Brantley, Montravius Adams, and Malik McDowell who are all looked at as top DTs.

I've posted this a couple times about the UT (or 3-tech) and how important it is in a 4-3 under http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2013/9/13/4727200/the-4-3-under-defining-the-defense

"This is the defense's namesake. He lines up at the 3-tech on the weak-side. The Under Tackle (UT) is an undersized DT who gets by on speed, quickness and technique. Sheer girth is not very important for this position, atypical for an interior line position. A lot of UTs are former DE's who have shifted inside. Now, not all UT's are the small, quick type. It depends on what the defensive coordinator wants for the situation and position.

If the defense is focused on stopping the run, oftentimes the UT will be a larger defender. He could be similar to a 3-4 DE. There is versatility in how this position could be used. The first star UT was Hall of Famer Warren Sapp. Sapp is an anomaly, a player with great size and strength in addition to quickness.

Typically, a DC wants his best interior pass rusher at the UT. Because he will be in a lot of one-on-one situations against a guard, the UT should be able to knife his way into the backfield and fluster the QB in addition to penetrating on run plays.

One of the main ideas of the 4-3 Under is to get defenders in one-on-one situations. Take a look again at the 4-3 Under on the chalkboard. How does a team (from 21 personnel, or even 12) double team anyone other than the NT? While the defense is predicated on getting one-on-one matchups, it is specifically designed to get the UT and the WDE into one-on-one situations.

When running a 4-3 Under, it is very, very, very important that the 3-tech UT is able to beat solo blocks consistently. More than consistently, frequently. Because the defense is so predicated on getting him those looks, it becomes almost necessary that he is able to dominate single blocks.

In case you haven't noticed: the 3-tech under tackle is one of if not the number one most important player on this entire defense. His ability to rush the passer from the interior in addition to beating his blocker in hopes to stopping runs in the backfield is what the defense if predicated on."

IMO That's exactly what Solomon can do....I feel like you haven't even watched him play when your throwing out some of the stuff your saying (he's also closer to 280 then 270).... Also who said he's gonna be going against a OTs...if he's playing the 3-tech he's gonna be blasting thru OGs. I will add he has the speed and quickness to line up on the edge if need be (IMO best suited for the interior). Length isn't everything go look at Ingam and Mack, Thomas put up similar if not better numbers to them and weighs 15+ more lbs.

It's funny one poster says 3-tech is his ideal spot and another says LDE...no one knows and is just guessing lol.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
We have played this game before about scheming guys open.

Remember when you blamed everything on Roman and I said it was because Kap was a pathetic QB? Funny how that works.

Haven't you learn your lesson yet from KFFL?

They were both awful at their jobs. Doesn't change the fact that good coordinators get production out of mediocre players.

Chip Kelly for all his faults was able to work with the crap we had last year, it was just our QBs sucked and couldn't get them the ball but the plays were there to be had.

Originally posted by genus49:
They were both awful at their jobs. Doesn't change the fact that good coordinators get production out of mediocre players.

Chip Kelly for all his faults was able to work with the crap we had last year, it was just our QBs sucked and couldn't get them the ball but the plays were there to be had.

Shanny has only had great offenses with Andre, Julio, and 1 fluke year with Griffen. He couldn't scheme production in Clv or Wsh the other years. It's a talent driven league and Garcon by himself won't get it done. We still have a bottom 5 team in terms of offensive talent. Expect those kind of results.

There's only so much you can do in 1 year though.

i don't know about this guy. Looks like a one year wonder. That RB from LSU seems like a better fit.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
i don't know about this guy. Looks like a one year wonder. That RB from LSU seems like a better fit.

how is LF a fit for ZB? he's not a 3 down back and IMO is a gap blocking power running RB....go look at Murray from Dallas to philly back to Titans. It's the same thing but Murray can catch the ball.

Solomon was a good player last yr and a starter but took his talent to a new level this past yr, that's what you want progress...LF didn't do that from 20015-2016

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
They were both awful at their jobs. Doesn't change the fact that good coordinators get production out of mediocre players.

Chip Kelly for all his faults was able to work with the crap we had last year, it was just our QBs sucked and couldn't get them the ball but the plays were there to be had.

Shanny has only had great offenses with Andre, Julio, and 1 fluke year with Griffen. He couldn't scheme production in Clv or Wsh the other years. It's a talent driven league and Garcon by himself won't get it done. We still have a bottom 5 team in terms of offensive talent. Expect those kind of results.

There's only so much you can do in 1 year though.

And Mike Williams isn't Johnson or Julio...how long did it take ATL to get all those offensive pieces? why is it a fluke yr in WSH? last I saw Garcon had to make those routes and catch those balls just the same.

I agree we need help everywhere and it's not a one yr rebuild but you draft the best talent when you have none. outside of Buck who was a rookie there isn't talent on that DL..you can say their upside all you want but there isn't and proof of it on film.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Sorry to break it to you but he won't be tops in the NFL at at stopping the run weighting 270 pounds. The NFL is a whole other animal. Dudes with long arms are going to get their hands on him before he does. Those 33" arms are doing him no favors.

Not every 270 pound guy or even most guys that size have the same freakish strength as Thomas. You can be 300+ pounds, that doesn't necessarily make you powerful.....take Marcus Martin as one example. 300+ but a big softie that got worked over by guys he had 30, 40 pounds over.

His power jumps off the screen at you and he further confirmed it at the Combine, even if the bench isn't the best way to gauge strength. I bet he'd do even better on more explosive movements like cleans. From top to bottom he has a strong build, plays with good leverage and he's certainly got room to add some weight without sacrificing his athleticism.

I don't see how anyone can doubt this dude after watching film on him.

motherf**k measureables. Look at AA. Huge, long arms, big o' piece of s**t. Look at Ray Lewis. Undersized, one of the best LBs in NFL history. This dude has a motor that doesn't quit, the stength of 10 men and 20 pound balls and a 5 pound cock. DRAFT HIM!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Sorry to break it to you but he won't be tops in the NFL at at stopping the run weighting 270 pounds. The NFL is a whole other animal. Dudes with long arms are going to get their hands on him before he does. Those 33" arms are doing him no favors.

Not every 270 pound guy or even most guys that size have the same freakish strength as Thomas. You can be 300+ pounds, that doesn't necessarily make you powerful.....take Marcus Martin as one example. 300+ but a big softie that got worked over by guys he had 30, 40 pounds over.

His power jumps off the screen at you and he further confirmed it at the Combine, even if the bench isn't the best way to gauge strength. I bet he'd do even better on more explosive movements like cleans. From top to bottom he has a strong build, plays with good leverage and he's certainly got room to add some weight without sacrificing his athleticism.

He's 273 and scouts have said he still has room to grow.

Originally posted by jcs:
He's 273 and scouts have said he still has room to grow.

I can see him getting up into the low to mid 280's and still being pretty athletic at that size.

He's already bigger than this guy was coming into the NFL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's 273 and scouts have said he still has room to grow.

I can see him getting up into the low to mid 280's and still being pretty athletic at that size.

He's already bigger than this guy was coming into the NFL.

Nah we don't need a talent like that for the next 10 yrs

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And Mike Williams isn't Johnson or Julio...how long did it take ATL to get all those offensive pieces? why is it a fluke yr in WSH? last I saw Garcon had to make those routes and catch those balls just the same.

I agree we need help everywhere and it's not a one yr rebuild but you draft the best talent when you have none. outside of Buck who was a rookie there isn't talent on that DL..you can say their upside all you want but there isn't and proof of it on film.

Agreed and taking a wr at 2 wasn't my argument. Just backing up Steve that our wr's are hot garbage and Shanny isn't going to fix that with his system. Wsh only finished 16th in passing in Garçon's break out year. Then you factor in Garcon's only broke 1k in 2 out of 9 years and I wouldn't bet on 1,400 yards. Shanny's 4 years there they finished 25, 26, 4, and 23rd in scoring. Let's not act like he doesn't need talent. That's not to you just the people trumping up his system.