Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Trade him for what exactly? Why would we trade a guy 2 yrs in who fits well at 2 of the 3 interior positions in our new scheme?

Almost every evaluation has Thomas as an outside player on base, yet people here keep overlapping him with AA and Buckner. Again, we are playing a 5-2 including the LEO.

That would mean Thomas- Buckner- Mitchell- AA- Lynch/Brooks on the front with Bowman, Smith and Tartt/Reid filling out the rest of the box.

I didn't say I think he should be traded, I said it wouldn't surprise me. Any time a new regime comes in the old guys should be on edge unless they have a clear proven track record.

As much potential as Arik has and as good as he looked in camp...it's not that much to show tape wise. It's not like the new coaches get to go through camp with the roster and then do the draft.

If they feel they can do better or he's not a great fit given what they have to go on then they could move him. Whether that would be a smart move or not is another story.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Both are good football players Thomas is more athletic and bigger.

Thomas today is a better football player, can start from day 1 and will probably play well in the NFL.

Originally posted by genus49:

Lions made the smart move and drafted Calvin Johnson. That was their 4th WR in the top 10 in 5 years. And DL is way more important than WR today.

How many playoff games did they win those years? lol

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

No doubt he's a good player, and if we draft him and put him at Leo, I hope he wrecks everyone in every game. I'm not on his bandwagon though, not because he isn't good, but because I hold out hope that AA can take a step this year. We have a huge need at Leo, and I think there are better guys to take for the Leo Spot. My preference is to trade down, try to get more first and/or second/third round picks. If we have to draft at 2 (and they decide not to go QB)....I'm still trying to figure out who to hang my hat on, but I have trouble making it SThomas.

This isn't about just playing him at LEO people need to stop with that...and this is also about not trading down cause that's not a given.

Thomas is a baller and can play all over the DL he's much much more polished than AA is and was coming out of college. At this pt we have no clue who AA is and we're going into yr 3, this FO has zero ties to him.

You can play Thomas at the Leo in certain packages you can play him at 5 or 3 tech...he's got flexablity and was the best DE in the country at stopping the run and 6th overall at passing the rusher. You take that given what we had going last yr.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Both are good football players Thomas is more athletic and bigger.

Thomas today is a better football player, can start from day 1 and will probably play well in the NFL.

Agreed

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Trade him for what exactly? Why would we trade a guy 2 yrs in who fits well at 2 of the 3 interior positions in our new scheme?

Almost every evaluation has Thomas as an outside player on base, yet people here keep overlapping him with AA and Buckner. Again, we are playing a 5-2 including the LEO.

That would mean Thomas- Buckner- Mitchell- AA- Lynch/Brooks on the front with Bowman, Smith and Tartt/Reid filling out the rest of the box.

I didn't say I think he should be traded, I said it wouldn't surprise me. Any time a new regime comes in the old guys should be on edge unless they have a clear proven track record.

As much potential as Arik has and as good as he looked in camp...it's not that much to show tape wise. It's not like the new coaches get to go through camp with the roster and then do the draft.

If they feel they can do better or he's not a great fit given what they have to go on then they could move him. Whether that would be a smart move or not is another story.

Regardless of a coaching change, not often do you see a team giving up on a first rounder that quickly. Justin Gilbert and Manziel come to mind but those two are special cases.

There's some decent tape on AA his rookie year when he graded pretty well according to PFF. And his skill set is arguably better as a 3T while Thomas is better suited on the outside in base.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle said we're having 5 guys on the line so I'm all for mismatches and a guy who can play anything from a zero to 9 tech which he has in college .

5 guys in base, which amounts to the smallest number of total snaps.

I think it's important we all remember that.

Yes I think Thomas is even more important in nickel

Originally posted by jcs:

Thomas today is a better football player, can start from day 1 and will probably play well in the NFL.

Like Greg Gabriel said, put Thomas in the right scheme and you are probably looking at a perennial Pro Bowler.


The potential of Buckner and Thomas wreaking havoc on the DL for years to come is quite alluring.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kyle said we're having 5 guys on the line so I'm all for mismatches and a guy who can play anything from a zero to 9 tech which he has in college .

5 guys in base, which amounts to the smallest number of total snaps.

I think it's important we all remember that.

Yes I think Thomas is even more important in nickel

Everyone should watch film on AA and Buckner and then watch how Thomas plays. Thomas extends his arms well after contact and is consistently getting under his blocker and locating the ball. AA and Buck struggle with getting low and are consistently taking themselves out of plays because the blockers are driving them back or away from the play. Bucker got a little better as the season wore on where AA just looked the same.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Thomas today is a better football player, can start from day 1 and will probably play well in the NFL.

Like Greg Gabriel said, put Thomas in the right scheme and you are probably looking at a perennial Pro Bowler.


The potential of Buckner and Thomas wreaking havoc on the DL for years to come is quite alluring.

Yup that's a solid tandom for the next 5+ yrs

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyle said we're having 5 guys on the line so I'm all for mismatches and a guy who can play anything from a zero to 9 tech which he has in college .

5 guys in base, which amounts to the smallest number of total snaps.

I think it's important we all remember that.

Yes I think Thomas is even more important in nickel

Everyone should watch film on AA and Buckner and then watch how Thomas plays. Thomas extends his arms well after contact and is consistently getting under his blocker and locating the ball. AA and Buck struggle with getting low and are consistently taking themselves out of plays because the blockers are driving them back or away from the play. Bucker got a little better as the season wore on where AA just looked the same.

Thomas is under 6'3" while AA and Buckner are 6'7". It's kind of a given that Thomas gets lower no?

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Thomas is under 6'3" while AA and Buckner are 6'7". It's kind of a given that Thomas gets lower no?

Part of the reason why you don't want two 6'7" guys out there.


Thomas is better at creating leverage, a lot more athletic, much better motor and just an overall superior prospect than Armstead was.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Both are good football players Thomas is more athletic and bigger.

Thomas today is a better football player, can start from day 1 and will probably play well in the NFL.

I agree he should be the pick at 2 no questions asked if Garrett taken, no other player is as worthy to make an impact like him, and lol at people wanting to pass on him cause we have kentwan bal... I mean arik armstead

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Thomas is under 6'3" while AA and Buckner are 6'7". It's kind of a given that Thomas gets lower no?

Not really...his skill level today is better than both Buckner and AA, he's consistently jamming blockers and extending to locate the ball and release. You can almost call it mechanical because he does it almost every time and that's a good thing and he's only 21. Will get better at it as he gains experience and strength.

Originally posted by FrozeReactionZ:
How many playoff games did they win those years? lol

There's a reason I said DL is a lot more important than WR.