Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No he's gonna be drafted cause he's the 2nd best player in the draft that can play all over the line including in some packages as a edge rusher...everyone and their hard on for a "LEO" pass rusher jesus. WE are dog s**t vs the run and bringing in Mitchell who wasn't good at stuff the run anyway isn't the answer.

Why not bring in a stud who can play ALL OVER THE LINE and create havoc on the QB/RB next to Buck? Guess what there's great speed pass rushers all over this draft that can be the "LEO" that everyone is so fixated on. WHO makes that front 7 tick in Seattle Bruce Irvin, Avril or Bennett??

You say Barnett is the 2nd best "LEO" yet his not even on the same field as far as athletic ability goes vs Thomas (who's also 10+lbs bigger) the combine backs up those numbers. IF you have a chance to take the next Justin Smith, JJ Watt (small version) or Michael Bennett BECAUSE it makes the team better and the job of the "LEO" easier.

Barnett had the flu and a temperature over 100° at the combine. Combine numbers are good and all, but watch tape on both, and you'll see who the better pass rusher is. Just saying. I like Thomas, if we needed another 5t, I'd say jump on it. I just think we should trade back a few spots, pick up an extra pick, and fill a position of need, unless Cleveland pulls a Cleveland and drafts someone other than Garret first.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Barnett had the flu and a temperature over 100° at the combine. Combine numbers are good and all, but watch tape on both, and you'll see who the better pass rusher is. Just saying. I like Thomas, if we needed another 5t, I'd say jump on it. I just think we should trade back a few spots, pick up an extra pick, and fill a position of need, unless Cleveland pulls a Cleveland and drafts someone other than Garret first.

Sounds like he was proper warmed up then for the drills

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No he's gonna be drafted cause he's the 2nd best player in the draft that can play all over the line including in some packages as a edge rusher...everyone and their hard on for a "LEO" pass rusher jesus. WE are dog s**t vs the run and bringing in Mitchell who wasn't good at stuff the run anyway isn't the answer.

Why not bring in a stud who can play ALL OVER THE LINE and create havoc on the QB/RB next to Buck? Guess what there's great speed pass rushers all over this draft that can be the "LEO" that everyone is so fixated on. WHO makes that front 7 tick in Seattle Bruce Irvin, Avril or Bennett??

You say Barnett is the 2nd best "LEO" yet his not even on the same field as far as athletic ability goes vs Thomas (who's also 10+lbs bigger) the combine backs up those numbers. IF you have a chance to take the next Justin Smith, JJ Watt (small version) or Michael Bennett BECAUSE it makes the team better and the job of the "LEO" easier.

Barnett had the flu and a temperature over 100° at the combine. Combine numbers are good and all, but watch tape on both, and you'll see who the better pass rusher is. Just saying. I like Thomas, if we needed another 5t, I'd say jump on it. I just think we should trade back a few spots, pick up an extra pick, and fill a position of need, unless Cleveland pulls a Cleveland and drafts someone other than Garret first.

Did Khalil Mack have the flu when he ran a 4.65 vs Solomon's 4.69, while Slomon being 22lbs heavier? I like Barnett BUT you're missing the whole point.

This isn't about who's the better edge pass rusher or "LEO"... what people have been stating is Solomon is an athletic freak for his size and put up numbers equal or better then some of top edge rushers while being bigger than them.

He's a mismatch nightmare that can line up all over the place and that includes on the edge is certain packages (he's play zero all the way to 9 tech at Stanford).

I've watched the film/games and he's well on his way to becoming a complete player...graded out as the best DE vs the run in college and 6th ranked DE vs the pass.

This is what a recent NFL scout said about him...

Excellent quickness and motor," he said. Thomas is highly versatile, though the NFL sees more of a 3-technique than a 5-technique at the moment. Adding some weight would make him a neater fit at multiple positions. "Great kid," another scout said. "Team captain. Top worker. Explosive athlete. Plays hard. Runs and chases. Strong hands."

He compared him to John Randle.

Finally, this is all based around if we can't trade down at this point who are teams willing to move up to 2 for?? I don't see anyone do you?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Barnett had the flu and a temperature over 100° at the combine. Combine numbers are good and all, but watch tape on both, and you'll see who the better pass rusher is. Just saying. I like Thomas, if we needed another 5t, I'd say jump on it. I just think we should trade back a few spots, pick up an extra pick, and fill a position of need, unless Cleveland pulls a Cleveland and drafts someone other than Garret first.

Sounds like he was proper warmed up then for the drills

we'll see what he runs on his pro day but I'll bet money it's not gonna be in the 4.6s speed isn't his game.

If you want to talk about what makes Seattle's d tick just remember it turned into complete dog sh after Earl Thomas got hurt. Their secondary drives the d and if you go to their SB year they held opposing qb's to a stupid 63 qb rating. That's 13 points better than our spectacular d that year. Bennett and Avril are great but Seattle had a great d before they entered the picture. Most are built thru the line but their gold mine is the secondary. The d line is just one piece of the puzzle and having to spend high picks on Thomas and then a Leo afterwards is going to damper what we can do elsewhere. BTW if we don't land Cousins hold onto your butts because it's going to be a long rebuild.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
If you want to talk about what makes Seattle's d tick just remember it turned into complete dog sh after Earl Thomas got hurt. Their secondary drives the d and if you go to their SB year they held opposing qb's to a stupid 63 qb rating. That's 13 points better than our spectacular d that year. Bennett and Avril are great but Seattle had a great d before they entered the picture. Most are built thru the line but their gold mine is the secondary. The d line is just one piece of the puzzle and having to spend high picks on Thomas and then a Leo afterwards is going to damper what we can do elsewhere. BTW if we don't land Cousins hold onto your butts because it's going to be a long rebuild.

No doubt he's a huge piece to the D, but that was never part of the discussion in here. It was who's more important a LEO like Bruce Irvin or a DE like Micheal Bennett.

When Bennett was out this yr 3 out of the 5 teams they played scored 20+ vs that defense.

Having a strong front on the DL and OL is the building blocks to a having a solid team. I'll add if all you need is one stud DE in this 4-3 why did the Jags pay top dollar for Campbell when they already had Jackson? Todd Walsh is running the same defense that we will be?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No doubt he's a huge piece to the D, but that was never part of the discussion in here. It was who's more important a LEO like Bruce Irvin or a DE like Micheal Bennett.

When Bennett was out this yr 3 out of the 5 teams they played scored 20+ vs that defense.

Having a strong front on the DL and OL is the building blocks to a having a solid team. I'll add if all you need is one stud DE in this 4-3 why did the Jags pay top dollar for Campbell when they already had Jackson? Todd Walsh is running the same defense that we will be?

There's actually lots of talk about them changing the d up despite retaining the DC. They canned Bradley and all but one of the assistants. The players didn't like it. I suspect they'll look a lot more like Coughlin's d now and you know he likes the great rotation of pass rushers.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No doubt he's a huge piece to the D, but that was never part of the discussion in here. It was who's more important a LEO like Bruce Irvin or a DE like Micheal Bennett.

When Bennett was out this yr 3 out of the 5 teams they played scored 20+ vs that defense.

Having a strong front on the DL and OL is the building blocks to a having a solid team. I'll add if all you need is one stud DE in this 4-3 why did the Jags pay top dollar for Campbell when they already had Jackson? Todd Walsh is running the same defense that we will be?

There's actually lots of talk about them changing the d up despite retaining the DC. They canned Bradley and all but one of the assistants. The players didn't like it. I suspect they'll look a lot more like Coughlin's d now and you know he likes the great rotation of pass rushers.

Walsh has been part of the 4-3 under with Seattle and Jags since 2011. Your assuming something when in reality you don't know....that's a wait and see answer IMO.

I see nothing wrong with having a rotation of pass rusher interior and on the edge anyway...bonus if a guy can do both. Carroll's and Saleh's 4-3 Under D is a combination of Kiffin's coverage scheme and Seifert's Elephant or Leo position to create pass rush mismatches...Thomas creates mismatches IMO. Why can't Thomas/Buck be our Stubblefied/Young? AA hasn't earned squat IMO hasn't shown that he can be on the field outside of some passing down packages, he's been horrible vs the run in his NFL and college career so far.... End of the day while I like AA and his "upside" I'd be all in favor or trading him and replacing him for Thomas (throw him into the Kirk trade...they need DE's).

I believe Solomon Thomas is special talent. We must draft him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Walsh has been part of the 4-3 under with Seattle and Jags since 2011. Your assuming something when in reality you don't know....that's a wait and see answer IMO.

I see nothing wrong with having a rotation of pass rusher interior and on the edge anyway...bonus if a guy can do both. Carroll's and Saleh's 4-3 Under D is a combination of Kiffin's coverage scheme and Seifert's Elephant or Leo position to create pass rush mismatches...Thomas creates mismatches IMO. Why can't Thomas/Buck be our Stubblefied/Young? AA hasn't earned squat IMO hasn't shown that he can be on the field outside of some passing down packages, he's been horrible vs the run in his NFL and college career so far.... End of the day while I like AA and his "upside" I'd be all in favor or trading him and replacing him for Thomas (throw him into the Kirk trade...they need DE's).

I'm not assuming it Jville is talking about it. I don't care what they do. Just there is big speculation that Walsh will put a new stamp on the d and we know Coughlin stacks up on the line. He's had a lot of success doing it too.

I also remember us having Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson on that championship d and then I remember us getting into cap hell and you realize you got to balance out your resources now. I'd love to have JJ Watt and John Randle on the line at the same time but if it ends up netting you a below average secondary, no qb, no wr's, and an early exit in the playoffs at best moving on. We have so many holes at the highest skilled of positions to fill on this team I just don't get loading up on a position that should be fine. I don't see a problem with rotating AA on passing downs, and a run stuffer on run downs.

Anyways there seems to be a real movement towards him so I'm going to back off just in case we net him. Playing Buckner at 3 and Thomas at 5 then maybe adding Ingram next year will be a great line.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I'm not assuming it Jville is talking about it. I don't care what they do. Just there is big speculation that Walsh will put a new stamp on the d and we know Coughlin stacks up on the line. He's had a lot of success doing it too.

I also remember us having Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson on that championship d and then I remember us getting into cap hell and you realize you got to balance out your resources now. I'd love to have JJ Watt and John Randle on the line at the same time but if it ends up netting you a below average secondary, no qb, no wr's, and an early exit in the playoffs at best moving on. We have so many holes at the highest skilled of positions to fill on this team I just don't get loading up on a position that should be fine. I don't see a problem with rotating AA on passing downs, and a run stuffer on run downs.

Anyways there seems to be a real movement towards him so I'm going to back off just in case we net him. Playing Buckner at 3 and Thomas at 5 then maybe adding Ingram next year will be a great line.

We will see...having two studs on the DL doesn't equal cap hell imo. NY does it all the time. They don't spend a s**t ton on LBs and value DL.

Hope for a trade down but if not I got no problem going with him.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I believe Solomon Thomas is special talent. We must draft him.

Yeah, really excited to possibly drafting this kid. If we don't go QB at #2, this is my next choice.

In this scheme, he would not even be playing the run anyway. He'd either be a LEO or a 3-tech, but the higher likelihood is that he will mainly be a 3-tech since he's never played EDGE in college. Both are specialized pass rushers. 3-tech would only be responsible for one gap.

Yes we have a bad run defense, but drafting him to supplement run defense makes no sense when that is mainly the NT's (Mitchell) assignment and also the 5-tech (Buckner) who are the main guys who play two gaps in this scheme. If you want to fix run defense, they should be looking out for a better NT.

So what are you really drafting him for? You draft him because maybe you are not sold on Armstead as an attacking 3-tech because of his shoulder issue. That should be 90% of why you get him for a #2 overall pick.

The other 10% is maybe you think he can be a good LEO, but you shouldn't really count on it. And if it doesn't work, they really shouldn't be surprised at all.

The other option is that you can have him play the 5-tech to stop the run. Then have Buckner be the attacking 3-tech. Either way will work, but I think Buckner hasn't been a liability in the run like Armstead has, so it shouldn't matter too much.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We will see...having two studs on the DL doesn't equal cap hell imo. NY does it all the time. They don't spend a s**t ton on LBs and value DL.

Hope for a trade down but if not I got no problem going with him.

The Giants have 2 SB's and you can't take that from them but they've never built a great team either. Winning from the 6th seed twice and most of the time they're watching the playoffs. They build dominating lines, not just with the 1sts though Tuck, Usi, Strahan are 2/3rds, and that can take over. They never built a perennial contender though.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

I believe Solomon Thomas is special talent. We must draft him.

Yeah, really excited to possibly drafting this kid. If we don't go QB at #2, this is my next choice.

I don't mind if we can draft to Solomon Thomas at #2. I will be happy with that. We will draft to Mahome in 2nd round or Peterman in 3round or Chad Kelly in 5th or 6th round.