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Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Look at all of the most successful EDGE players in the NFL. Which among them are 270+ pounds?

He also doesn't have any reps at playing at that position, unlike Myles who is a freak athlete.

Could he be successful at LEO? Sure he could. Maybe he is a freak like Myles. But what is the probability of that happening considering historical data and what we have seen? And do you really want to risk a #2 overall pick playing him out of position?

And I want to reiterate that I'm perfectly fine playing him on the interior at the 3-tech or 5-tech.

How many guys are as athletic as Thomas?

And honestly there are a ton of guys playing on the EDGE who are 270+ lbs. If you're talking Leo yes you're not going to find as many heavy guys but that's because typically heavier = slower

There simply aren't a lot of guys who move like Thomas with the weight he has on. I'm not arguing there could be better options at Leo but what I take issue with is that there are better options as far as players are concerned with Garrett being gone.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not one single team would say nah we don't need Randle or the idea of having two on the team. Last I saw Tyson Alualu was a top 10 pick in the draft...you still don't get the debate there is no LEO worth drafting at two...no one is arguing that we don't need one but Myles isn't falling. This discussion is based around having the 2nd pick and NOT trading down.

Bah Cuse didn't make the tourney so who cares

You know there's other good players too. It's not just saying no we don't want Randle we'd rather have sh. I get the debate I got to find a leo later no matter what but I can get a stud corner, etc, etc instead of upgrading a position that's really already set. I'm not as down on the talent we have as you guys are and what were you guys expecting our d was going to finish starting a rook and a banged up 2nd year player? Not too mention the 30 other injuries.
Originally posted by kazak13:
3 years .. 3 Lineman.. hmm.. Lions one did the same thing with WR..

Only 1 WR really makes an impact on any offensive play. When they run the ball even less so. The comparison couldn't be any more off base.

You need 3 things which guarantee lots of wins.

1. Stud QB
2. Ability to kill the other teams QB
3. Ability to protect your QB

WR is down the list.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Fitting shirt. This kid is a game changer. Here's hoping he's doing it for us. Kid is everything you can want in a player.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Let's get one thing straight. Thomas is not more athletic than Khalil Mack. His 3 cone time and shuttle time, while impressive, do not make him more agile or more flexible than Mack. They are drills run one time and hand timed with a high degree of error and variability (you could have a bad start, you could have a bad attempt where your transition from cone to cone isn't great). This doesn't supersede all the tape on these guys and their performance in position drills.

On the other hand, Khalil Mack is clearly more explosive and faster and has the jumps, the 40 time, and the 10 yard split to support that. He also has slightly longer arms at 33 1/4". If I'm picking a player for the LEO position, I'm choosing Mack 100 times out of 100 before Solomon Thomas.

Thomas is a great player and may be the best available player at 2, but he's not the kind of talent who is a lock to go in the top 3 in any draft. He's someone who could fall to the 6-10 range in this year's draft because his size is a concern on the interior and his length and lack of experience is a concern on the edge (particularly if teams are unsure of his ability to bend). In this particular draft, I don't think there's a huge talent disparity between Thomas and guys who could be available at 10.

Even if Garrett had a poor time in the shuttle and 3 cone (and I'm not convinced he would), he would still blow Thomas out of the water as a prospect because of his vastly superior length and his proven ability to bend off the edge. If we're considering picking Thomas at 2 to play him at LEO, I hope we're attempting to trade up with the Browns for Garrett. Maybe they like Trubisky or Watson and would be fine only getting a 2nd round pick back in addition to the #2 pick. Garrett would be worth it in my opinion.

I didn't say he is a better athlete than Mack, I said he graded out as a better athlete than Mack. That says a lot about his abilities. I'm pretty sure if i was to run the combine drills and Mack got a late start or did it with a bum hammy he'd still beat my numbers.

The point of those numbers show that the kid is special and very athletic given his size. The only size concern with him is more for teams intend on playing him inside as a full time DT. That will not be our issue.

And Garrett will be gone so no point comparing him to Thomas. If he's there at #2 he's our pick simple as that. Mack was a comparison to make people realize just how special Thomas' performance was because it totally falls by the wayside because of Garrett and guys like Jordan Willis.

But the reason Thomas is worth #2 overall is because he is a freak athlete but is a great kid who has a ton of passion for the game, plays hard all the time and gives the game his best every snap. This is the type of guy you want to build teams around and coaches want to coach up.

I understand the team possibly looking to trade down because this draft is deep and getting another 2nd round+ this year would really help us out. But I'd hate to see him go to another team and dominate while we find out that our guys outside of Buckner just aren't good enough. Or the guy we draft at Leo ends up being too one dimensional.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
You know there's other good players too. It's not just saying no we don't want Randle we'd rather have sh. I get the debate I got to find a leo later no matter what but I can get a stud corner, etc, etc instead of upgrading a position that's really already set. I'm not as down on the talent we have as you guys are and what were you guys expecting our d was going to finish starting a rook and a banged up 2nd year player? Not too mention the 30 other injuries.

How the hell can anyone say our position is already set given what happened last season?

Drafting a stud corner in your opinion is a need but another stud DLman isn't??? Last I checked our secondary was easily the best unit last year and most of them graded out pretty well despite 0 pass rush.

Buckner and Brooks led the team with 6 sacks a piece. Next highest was 3 sacks by a few guys. Our team was 32nd across the board in every defensive category. Yeah...we're good on the DL.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
You know there's other good players too. It's not just saying no we don't want Randle we'd rather have sh. I get the debate I got to find a leo later no matter what but I can get a stud corner, etc, etc instead of upgrading a position that's really already set. I'm not as down on the talent we have as you guys are and what were you guys expecting our d was going to finish starting a rook and a banged up 2nd year player? Not too mention the 30 other injuries.

The fact that we brought in 11 new FAs so far would say that yeah we are low on talent...we will see what happens and not everyone is gonna think the same player is the top player.

Talking about DBs is a different ball game cause there's a s**t ton of good ones in this draft...jones was my top CB but the depth is unreal there.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Fitting shirt. This kid is a game changer. Here's hoping he's doing it for us. Kid is everything you can want in a player.

Totally agree!
Thomas is a beast, and has potential to be a star in the NFL, but if it was up to me id trade the pick and hopefully receive an extra 2nd this yr and 1st next year assuming a team falls in love with a player..This is a process to get back to where this franchise should be so extra high picks will only help..
Originally posted by jersey49er:
Thomas is a beast, and has potential to be a star in the NFL, but if it was up to me id trade the pick and hopefully receive an extra 2nd this yr and 1st next year assuming a team falls in love with a player..This is a process to get back to where this franchise should be so extra high picks will only help..



Who is a team trading up for?
Originally posted by jersey49er:
Thomas is a beast, and has potential to be a star in the NFL, but if it was up to me id trade the pick and hopefully receive an extra 2nd this yr and 1st next year assuming a team falls in love with a player..This is a process to get back to where this franchise should be so extra high picks will only help..

I don't think there is a player worth a team giving away next year's first, at least not with a team who has a top 15 pick IMO. I'd love to get another 2nd this year in a deep class but I also don't want to miss out on a star player just to trade down and not get enough in return.

Sometimes quantity isn't better than quality. We know who we can get at #2. You trade down you don't always get the guy you target. Dangerous game to play. If we trade down we better not get trade raped.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by jersey49er:
Thomas is a beast, and has potential to be a star in the NFL, but if it was up to me id trade the pick and hopefully receive an extra 2nd this yr and 1st next year assuming a team falls in love with a player..This is a process to get back to where this franchise should be so extra high picks will only help..

I don't think there is a player worth a team giving away next year's first, at least not with a team who has a top 15 pick IMO. I'd love to get another 2nd this year in a deep class but I also don't want to miss out on a star player just to trade down and not get enough in return.

Sometimes quantity isn't better than quality. We know who we can get at #2. You trade down you don't always get the guy you target. Dangerous game to play. If we trade down we better not get trade raped.

Agreed I'm not giving away the 2nd pick...if we can't get fair comp then get the best player.
If I was running this draft I'd take Peppers...yeah, I know that's awfully early to draft a S. But...we already have several LEO candidates on the roster. Our S corps is definitely less than stellar. Getting a stud playmaker like Peppers would give us that deep FS. I like Thomas a lot...but for me it comes down to what's the bigger need...IMHO it's the deep S position.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
If I was running this draft I'd take Peppers...yeah, I know that's awfully early to draft a S. But...we already have several LEO candidates on the roster. Our S corps is definitely less than stellar. Getting a stud playmaker like Peppers would give us that deep FS. I like Thomas a lot...but for me it comes down to what's the bigger need...IMHO it's the deep S position.

Peppers is the 3rd best safety (at best) in the class and the worst fit of the top 3 as a deep safety. He's great near the line of scrimmage and is ideally a SS who can help out in run support. He's short with small arms and doesn't have close to the range or ball skills Hooker has.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
If I was running this draft I'd take Peppers...

Taking a guy expected to go in the late teens with the #2 pick in the draft.

Getting a stud playmaker like Peppers


"Stud playmaker" who rarely caused or created a turnover.


would give us that deep FS.

Taking a guy to play deep safety who rarely played deep safety in college.

Yep, its official, I've identifed Trent Baalke's username on the Webzone.
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