Which Free agent options would you want us to pursue most? | Page 3

jonnydel · 2018-01-19T10:42:53-08:00

First, I'm assuming these are FA that will hit the market. I omitted Demarcus Lawrence and Le'Veon Bell from the list because I don't believe they'll hit the free market. I also excluded positions that I felt the team wouldn't see as big enough needs to address with big time FA dollars(i.e. DT, LB, OT, FB, QB). Many of these guys are intriguing options but several have injury histories or history of disappearing in production for long stretches(i.e. Ansah, Robinson, Watkins). Others seem like, for the production, they're going to get highly overpaid. Though, that's the story with FA every year. Will Malcom Butler, T. Johnson, or Breeland be worth what they'll command in FA? They'll get paid shutdown or nearly shutdown corner money, but will they be worth it? Not to every team, but you also have to think about, while any of those 3 might not be the lock-down type we want, how much better will they be than D. Johnson? With that much improvement to our weakest link, IMO, how much will our defense improve? We were already not terrible with a terrible corner, could we be quite good with a solid corner? Will Ansah be a top tier pass rusher especially if we're limiting his exposure to injury with a healthy and heavy rotation on the d-line like we saw last season? Is a guy who we'd put as a pass rush specialist going to be worth every down player money if he's only playing 50% of the defensive snaps? I like Pugh as a guard acquisition. I think it's a can't miss guy to pick up and spend money on. Sammy Watkins is interesting from the fact that he has the size and speed for a true #1 guy, but why has he failed to perform at a high level with 2 different teams? We already paid big money to P. Garcon last year, will we do the same for a guy less proven? So many questions and look forward to all your answers!

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:57 PM

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jonnydel
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I like Ansah, but I'm not sure it'll be worth the price. While we have a gluttony of cap room we can eat it up pretty quick with guys like this. If you sign these guys like they'll want to get paid, Ansah, Butler, Norwell - at market value we're staring at about 37 mil per year in contracts. Give Jimmy 25 per and we're at 62 mil already.

Then add in Trenton brown and we're at at least 74 mil.

yep and without the rookie class contracts too. That eats up a lot of space and would actually put us against the cap next year with only the rollover left to carry any extensions for future players.

like I said, I'm not against Ansah, I just think the coin for the production and limited role whilst also having injury concerns make him better suited for a "win now" team.

Jan 19, 2018 at 3:23 PM

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Five potential salary cap casualties around the NFL that could give the #49ers upgrades at positions of need:https://t.co/8KADxpziUw
— Chris Biderman (@ChrisBiderman) January 19, 2018

Might be some solid vets getting cut this yr

Wouldn't mind Robert Quinn

Jan 19, 2018 at 3:28 PM

#33

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Five potential salary cap casualties around the NFL that could give the #49ers upgrades at positions of need:https://t.co/8KADxpziUw
— Chris Biderman (@ChrisBiderman) January 19, 2018

Might be some solid vets getting cut this yr

Wouldn't mind Robert Quinn

from that list i liked Yanda and Randall. Both could be had on modest contracts.

Jan 19, 2018 at 3:39 PM

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WRATHman44
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Norwell is going to get around $13m per year. I don't think the 49ers give a guy that isn't a great fit in this scheme that type of money.

How good is Pugh at guard? I haven't seen much of him. The only time I saw him was when the 49ers played the Giants. He was at right tackle, and Ronald Blair took him to the woodshed.

I like Ryan Jensen, Kyle Fuller, and Taylor Gabriel.

I wouldn't hate it if they brought in Jensen, but I honestly think the 49ers re-sign Kilgore and sign someone like Wesley Johnson to apprentice behind him. Kilgore was a mess early in the season, and his injury history is troubling, but he ended the season strong, and he's got Jimmy G in his corner.

I'd prefer either Fuller or Rashaan Melvin over Trumaine Johnson, who I think will fall off soon and struggle to justify a contract he won't see the end of.

Taylor Gabriel is a guy I think Shanahan can bring in for chump change and squeeze some big plays out of.

I'd like to see Ansah line up next to Buckner and prove he can make plays on a more talented front. Word is he's a bad fit for Patricia's scheme in Detroit...

Jan 19, 2018 at 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Five potential salary cap casualties around the NFL that could give the #49ers upgrades at positions of need:https://t.co/8KADxpziUw
— Chris Biderman (@ChrisBiderman) January 19, 2018

Might be some solid vets getting cut this yr

Wouldn't mind Robert Quinn

Wanted that guy BAD in 2011, but got scared of his narrow spinal cord. Hasn't meant a damn thing in the league, though, so party on if he shakes free. Probably wants out of Phillip's 3-4 in LA.

Jan 19, 2018 at 3:51 PM

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Oh yeah, I forgot Ansah. I'd like him on the Paraag special.

Jan 19, 2018 at 8:42 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Five potential salary cap casualties around the NFL that could give the #49ers upgrades at positions of need:https://t.co/8KADxpziUw
— Chris Biderman (@ChrisBiderman) January 19, 2018

Might be some solid vets getting cut this yr

Wouldn't mind Robert Quinn

The guys who may get released or traded to create cap room is going to be extremely important to us because the current list of UFA's isn't that appealing outside of maybe Ansah. Most of the guys everyone in here are clamoring for aren't even system fits.

I can see us going after guys like Aqib Talib, Robert Quinn, Justin Houston, Emmanuel Sanders, Cameron Wake and many other vets who may become victims of the cap, but would be big time additions to our team if we want to add productive vets to hold down spots until we find younger long-term solutions.

Jan 20, 2018 at 3:03 AM

#38

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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Honestly, I don't get it vs agree because he's coming off a major knee injury with a history of injuries.

Have you put up a moke yet bud? I look for it every season.

Even if moke.

Jan 20, 2018 at 3:54 AM

#39

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This poll has a disturbing absence of Ryan Jensen and Trey Burton.

Jan 20, 2018 at 4:10 AM

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Ansah is an average pass rusher at best. He'll be overpaid because he's at a premium position.. the same way quarterbacks are always overpaid. Why do it? Teams don't let good pass rushers go because they're too valuable. We need to either draft our pass rusher or manufacture pass rush. I say focus on offensive line help and defense in free agency.

Jan 20, 2018 at 4:23 AM

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Originally posted by SheHateMe:
Ansah is an average pass rusher at best. He'll be overpaid because he's at a premium position.. the same way quarterbacks are always overpaid. Why do it? Teams don't let good pass rushers go because they're too valuable. We need to either draft our pass rusher or manufacture pass rush. I say focus on offensive line help and defense in free agency.

Serious question everybody, why did Bill Belichick let his best pass rusher go (Chandler Jones)? Too much money for a non QB. S. Gilmore is an exception, Bill's time is limited, he's in win now mode, he would never make the B. Cooks/ S. Gilmore deals 10 years ago.

If you hang out with idiots, you'll become an idiot, just saying. Let's think like the second greatest franchise Patriots (49ers #1 of course, Bill Walsh never overpaid).

Let's win some more Lombardi Trophies, we have T. Brady's heir apparent, that's a BIG F****** DEAL!!!

[ Edited by JimmyJesus on Jan 20, 2018 at 4:41 AM ]

Jan 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM

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If you're going to spend the money that Trumaine Johnson/ Malcom Butler are going to demand, they better be as good as Deion Sanders. Obviously, they're nothing close, PASS!!!

[ Edited by JimmyJesus on Jan 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM ]

Jan 20, 2018 at 7:49 AM

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1.Kyle Fuller

2.Allen Robinson

3.Ezekial Ansah

4.Trumaine Johnson

5.Justin Pugh

Jan 20, 2018 at 8:07 AM

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Robinson, Norwell, Fuller

Jan 20, 2018 at 8:10 AM

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Originally posted by StubbyNBY:
1.Kyle Fuller - 25

2.Allen Robinson - 24

3.Ezekiel Ansah - 28

4.Trumaine Johnson - 28

5.Justin Pugh - 27

Yeah, that would be a nice haul... And they're all relatively young.

[ Edited by vermonator on Jan 20, 2018 at 8:14 AM ]