Which Free agent options would you want us to pursue most? | Page 2

jonnydel · 2018-01-19T10:42:53-08:00

First, I'm assuming these are FA that will hit the market. I omitted Demarcus Lawrence and Le'Veon Bell from the list because I don't believe they'll hit the free market. I also excluded positions that I felt the team wouldn't see as big enough needs to address with big time FA dollars(i.e. DT, LB, OT, FB, QB). Many of these guys are intriguing options but several have injury histories or history of disappearing in production for long stretches(i.e. Ansah, Robinson, Watkins). Others seem like, for the production, they're going to get highly overpaid. Though, that's the story with FA every year. Will Malcom Butler, T. Johnson, or Breeland be worth what they'll command in FA? They'll get paid shutdown or nearly shutdown corner money, but will they be worth it? Not to every team, but you also have to think about, while any of those 3 might not be the lock-down type we want, how much better will they be than D. Johnson? With that much improvement to our weakest link, IMO, how much will our defense improve? We were already not terrible with a terrible corner, could we be quite good with a solid corner? Will Ansah be a top tier pass rusher especially if we're limiting his exposure to injury with a healthy and heavy rotation on the d-line like we saw last season? Is a guy who we'd put as a pass rush specialist going to be worth every down player money if he's only playing 50% of the defensive snaps? I like Pugh as a guard acquisition. I think it's a can't miss guy to pick up and spend money on. Sammy Watkins is interesting from the fact that he has the size and speed for a true #1 guy, but why has he failed to perform at a high level with 2 different teams? We already paid big money to P. Garcon last year, will we do the same for a guy less proven? So many questions and look forward to all your answers!

Jan 19, 2018 at 12:45 PM

#16

illinois9er
Veteran
Posts: 6,161

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I really don't get the hype for Robinson.

6'3" 210 lbs 24 years old who catches almost every ball thrown his way. He had 20 TDs in the 2 years prior to the knee injury. He's legit

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM

#17

CorvaNinerFan
Veteran
Posts: 10,447

Robinson would be a very good addition to the WR corps...however, he's coming off an ACL tear, so buyer beware. Another option could be Jordan Matthews...not great numbers w/Bills, but if you look at his Eagles' production, it was good and consistent.

Norwell would be much closer to the kind of OG Shanahan wants. Another of the very good FA class of interior OL.

Either Butler or Breeland would be solid additions to the secondary. Given the overall youth, either guy could provide some veteran experience & leadership. Really like Trumaine Johnson, but he'll be very expensive.

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:43 PM

#18

Oakland-Niner
Member
Posts: 24,062

Definitely need another over priced fullback.

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:45 PM

#19

RiceOwensStokes
Veteran
Posts: 9,457

Jimmy Garoppolo

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:55 PM

#20

Cjez
Hall of Fame
Posts: 170,505

Ansah
M.Bryant
K.Fuller

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:58 PM

#21

evil
Veteran
Posts: 46,708

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Definitely need another over priced fullback.

More than half of Juices receiving yards came in the final 5 games with Jimmy. He had 300+ yards on the year...could potentially have 500+ yards next year with Jimmy and force teams to account for him when he is on the field.

Having a QB makes all the difference in getting the most out of Juice.

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:58 PM

#22

susweel
Hall of Nepal
Posts: 122,000

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Definitely need another over priced fullback.

Hopefully Paraag has more say so in negotiations this year. Those clowns shanny and lynch gave out some stupid contracts to juice, garcon and hoyer.

Jan 19, 2018 at 1:59 PM

#23

Fanaticofnfl
Veteran
Posts: 20,802

How good is Ansah? I've seen a lot of good and a lot of bad written about him.

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:02 PM

#24

Fanaticofnfl
Veteran
Posts: 20,802

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Definitely need another over priced fullback.

Hopefully Paraag has more say so in negotiations this year. Those clowns shanny and lynch gave out some stupid contracts to juice, garcon and hoyer.

The Garcon and Hoyer contracts were fine... Garcon was a top 10 WR before he got hurt and Hoyer was less than half as expensive as Mike Glennon in fewer years...

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:08 PM

#25

Cjez
Hall of Fame
Posts: 170,505

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
How good is Ansah? I've seen a lot of good and a lot of bad written about him.

he'd instantly be our best pass rusher. Although, that's not saying much.

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:32 PM

#26

jonnydel
Veteran
Posts: 9,435

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I really don't get the hype for Robinson.

6'3" 210 lbs 24 years old who catches almost every ball thrown his way. He had 20 TDs in the 2 years prior to the knee injury. He's legit

Out of 300+ targets in the last 2 years he has just over 150 catches. Granted, only 9 of misses are drops but Bortles only had just over 50% completion throwing his way.

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:39 PM

#27

jonnydel
Veteran
Posts: 9,435

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Robinson would be a very good addition to the WR corps...however, he's coming off an ACL tear, so buyer beware. Another option could be Jordan Matthews...not great numbers w/Bills, but if you look at his Eagles' production, it was good and consistent.

Norwell would be much closer to the kind of OG Shanahan wants. Another of the very good FA class of interior OL.

Either Butler or Breeland would be solid additions to the secondary. Given the overall youth, either guy could provide some veteran experience & leadership. Really like Trumaine Johnson, but he'll be very expensive.

To me, I don't see us getting any more production out of Jordan Matthews than we did Kendrick Bourne who was an UDFA. If we got slightly better production matthews' arrow is going to point down for the rest of his career IMO and Bourne has more upside.

I like Butler or Breeland. Butler got a little more exposed this year because Gilmore was on the other side and teams are opting to throw his way more as opposed to last year where teams liked the option of throwing at the other guy more - it's why they went out and got Gilmore. People are down on the guy this year but he'd still be a HUGE upgrade over Johnson.

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:46 PM

#28

jonnydel
Veteran
Posts: 9,435

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
How good is Ansah? I've seen a lot of good and a lot of bad written about him.

he'd instantly be our best pass rusher. Although, that's not saying much.

I like Ansah, but I'm not sure it'll be worth the price. While we have a gluttony of cap room we can eat it up pretty quick with guys like this. If you sign these guys like they'll want to get paid, Ansah, Butler, Norwell - at market value we're staring at about 37 mil per year in contracts. Give Jimmy 25 per and we're at 62 mil already.

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:50 PM

#29

GhostOfBaalke
Veteran
Posts: 6,115

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I really don't get the hype for Robinson.

You don't get it or you just don't agree? It's easy to see why people want him. I don't think it's the best move though

Jan 19, 2018 at 2:51 PM

#30

GhostOfBaalke
Veteran
Posts: 6,115

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I like Ansah, but I'm not sure it'll be worth the price. While we have a gluttony of cap room we can eat it up pretty quick with guys like this. If you sign these guys like they'll want to get paid, Ansah, Butler, Norwell - at market value we're staring at about 37 mil per year in contracts. Give Jimmy 25 per and we're at 62 mil already.

Then add in Trenton brown and we're at at least 74 mil.