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Penn St. football sexual abuse scandal

Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TX9R:
I'm at the point where I just don't want to hear about this s**t any more. I listen to sports radio at work all day, and 8 hours a day of this is f**king depressing. At this point I'd personally give this guy the needle. I've got a 3 year old and now I'll probably never leave him alone. Poor kid.

To me, can a jury decide this guy innocent without public outcry and retrial or a higher court? I just can't imagine this guy getting a not guilty verdict.

Unless, some crazy thing comes up that ALL of the people involved are pedophiles and that Sandusky is taking the fall.

He could get a "NOT GUILITY" verdict if SportsFan is in the Jury!!
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TX9R:
I'm at the point where I just don't want to hear about this s**t any more. I listen to sports radio at work all day, and 8 hours a day of this is f**king depressing. At this point I'd personally give this guy the needle. I've got a 3 year old and now I'll probably never leave him alone. Poor kid.

To me, can a jury decide this guy innocent without public outcry and retrial or a higher court? I just can't imagine this guy getting a not guilty verdict.

Unless, some crazy thing comes up that ALL of the people involved are pedophiles and that Sandusky is taking the fall.

You cant have a retrial unless there were errors by the judge or Sandusky did not receive competent defense. You certainly cannot have it tried in a higher court. As far as public outcry.. well the OJ case and the Casey Anthony proved that public outcry means nothing. Juries are unpredictable and that will never change.

Hopefully all the facts will come out, the kids who were abused will step forward and Sandusky will be found guilty. Also, hopefully anyone that lied or covered anything up will also pay the maximum penalty that is possible. I do believe that evidence that we have seen to this point make him seem dirty as hell.

As far as this thread goes.. the ridicule on Sports Fan has become just a bit excessive dont you think?

John, You and SportsFan are the pot calling the kettle black in this thread. If anyone is doing the ridicule its both of you. You both have taken shots at me and other, if you can't take the heat get the hell out of the kitchen.
I haven't ridiculed you for your opinion on guilt or not. What I ridiculed you for is your suggestion that they would disband the football program so as to limit the revenue the school brings in. Thus in some way limiting what they would have to pay out in lawsuits. (If I understood your point correctly). Reason being is it is a ridiculous case you are trying to make.
Why some of you are defending Sandusky is just beyond me.
Originally posted by susweel:
Why some of you are defending Sandusky is just beyond me.

makes me wonder about them as well. hmmm?
Guys, Sandusky is probably guilty, but until there is a trial nobody knows if he will be found guilty or not. There are so many things that could happen in the courtroom. Also, the Grand Jury testimony is NOT evidence. A lot of that stuff won't even be admissible in court (tons of hearsay issues).

Nobody is defending Sandusky, but the man deserves his day in court on the 1% chance that he actually is innocent.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
I haven't ridiculed you for your opinion on guilt or not. What I ridiculed you for is your suggestion that they would disband the football program so as to limit the revenue the school brings in. Thus in some way limiting what they would have to pay out in lawsuits. (If I understood your point correctly). Reason being is it is a ridiculous case you are trying to make.

Well Lawsuits or now lawsuits, I could still see it possible that it could close the PSU Football program. Its possible. You saying its ridiculous case when you don't even know all the facts is naive. I don't as well, but I still think its possible for many reasons. Part of it is about lawsuits but not all of it, if there was a major cover-up and this guy was doing some of the things they say he was doing, and others are involved who are part of PSU this scandal could be very very bad for PSU Football program. The school is or should be bigger then the Football program.
now they are reporting that kids stayed at his home with him in the 70ies and 90ies. hmmm? (poor kids from New York)
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
wow i guess u do have time to scroll through a 69 page thread. yes i called u dull. u have probably over 70 posts in this thread and id say about 75% of them are condescending, sophomoric, and some confrontational. i refuse to scroll through this whole thread, which apparently u had the time to do so. if i offended u sorry, but i feel strongly since what this man did was so horrific. i also feel strongly that an adult can form their own opinion, and i formed mine ONLY after reading the grand jury report and chronological timeline of events. Like i said b4 if u want to wait till he is convicted to cast stones that is ur option, i will voice my opinion now and if in the .01% chance that i am wrong, i will apologize.

no response?
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
wow i guess u do have time to scroll through a 69 page thread. yes i called u dull. u have probably over 70 posts in this thread and id say about 75% of them are condescending, sophomoric, and some confrontational. i refuse to scroll through this whole thread, which apparently u had the time to do so. if i offended u sorry, but i feel strongly since what this man did was so horrific. i also feel strongly that an adult can form their own opinion, and i formed mine ONLY after reading the grand jury report and chronological timeline of events. Like i said b4 if u want to wait till he is convicted to cast stones that is ur option, i will voice my opinion now and if in the .01% chance that i am wrong, i will apologize.

no response?

I can't respond to something so stupid. My initial posts were all about waiting to hear the whole story before tarring and feathering all the people involved.

This claim that 75% of my posts were condescending, sophomoric and confrontational is a straight out lie. I already posted where our conversation started and how it was you that stated "are you dull". Since then I have been consistent in my stance. At no point have I said anything about you being incorrect or that you should not have the right to form your opinion. Not once. So stop saying that I have. While continually you and a few others have clearly stated that with 'Have you read the DAMN grand jury report? It is all there, what else do you need?", among other things.

I will continue to post and stay true to what I have stated from the beginning. Please stop responding to my posts.
71 pages eh? What will it be next week? The week after that?

Creepy...
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TX9R:
I'm at the point where I just don't want to hear about this s**t any more. I listen to sports radio at work all day, and 8 hours a day of this is f**king depressing. At this point I'd personally give this guy the needle. I've got a 3 year old and now I'll probably never leave him alone. Poor kid.

To me, can a jury decide this guy innocent without public outcry and retrial or a higher court? I just can't imagine this guy getting a not guilty verdict.

Unless, some crazy thing comes up that ALL of the people involved are pedophiles and that Sandusky is taking the fall.

You cant have a retrial unless there were errors by the judge or Sandusky did not receive competent defense. You certainly cannot have it tried in a higher court. As far as public outcry.. well the OJ case and the Casey Anthony proved that public outcry means nothing. Juries are unpredictable and that will never change.

Hopefully all the facts will come out, the kids who were abused will step forward and Sandusky will be found guilty. Also, hopefully anyone that lied or covered anything up will also pay the maximum penalty that is possible. I do believe that evidence that we have seen to this point make him seem dirty as hell.

As far as this thread goes.. the ridicule on Sports Fan has become just a bit excessive dont you think?

John, You and SportsFan are the pot calling the kettle black in this thread. If anyone is doing the ridicule its both of you. You both have taken shots at me and other, if you can't take the heat get the hell out of the kitchen.

LOL Jim, you started off telling me I just liked to argue with you. I barely remember you to tell you the truth. Trust me when I tell you that arguing with you doesn't make my day. The only thing I laughed at is when you said that the Penn. St football program would be closed down. I still think that is laughable and will tell anyone ( and not just you Jim) that there isnt a chance in hell that Penn.St will get the Death Penalty from the NCAA. As for not taking the heat... when did I say anything about me? I simply said that the "ridicule on Sports Fan had become a bit excessive". People are piling on the guy.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
wow i guess u do have time to scroll through a 69 page thread. yes i called u dull. u have probably over 70 posts in this thread and id say about 75% of them are condescending, sophomoric, and some confrontational. i refuse to scroll through this whole thread, which apparently u had the time to do so. if i offended u sorry, but i feel strongly since what this man did was so horrific. i also feel strongly that an adult can form their own opinion, and i formed mine ONLY after reading the grand jury report and chronological timeline of events. Like i said b4 if u want to wait till he is convicted to cast stones that is ur option, i will voice my opinion now and if in the .01% chance that i am wrong, i will apologize.

no response?

I can't respond to something so stupid. My initial posts were all about waiting to hear the whole story before tarring and feathering all the people involved.

This claim that 75% of my posts were condescending, sophomoric and confrontational is a straight out lie. I already posted where our conversation started and how it was you that stated "are you dull". Since then I have been consistent in my stance. At no point have I said anything about you being incorrect or that you should not have the right to form your opinion. Not once. So stop saying that I have. While continually you and a few others have clearly stated that with 'Have you read the DAMN grand jury report? It is all there, what else do you need?", among other things.

I will continue to post and stay true to what I have stated from the beginning. Please stop responding to my posts.

I agree, that Sportsfan has been very consistent in his stance. You guys need to relax and lets see how this story pans out. I have a bad feeling about this story getting much worse, and more and more kids or people coming out.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
wow i guess u do have time to scroll through a 69 page thread. yes i called u dull. u have probably over 70 posts in this thread and id say about 75% of them are condescending, sophomoric, and some confrontational. i refuse to scroll through this whole thread, which apparently u had the time to do so. if i offended u sorry, but i feel strongly since what this man did was so horrific. i also feel strongly that an adult can form their own opinion, and i formed mine ONLY after reading the grand jury report and chronological timeline of events. Like i said b4 if u want to wait till he is convicted to cast stones that is ur option, i will voice my opinion now and if in the .01% chance that i am wrong, i will apologize.

no response?

I can't respond to something so stupid. My initial posts were all about waiting to hear the whole story before tarring and feathering all the people involved.

This claim that 75% of my posts were condescending, sophomoric and confrontational is a straight out lie. I already posted where our conversation started and how it was you that stated "are you dull". Since then I have been consistent in my stance. At no point have I said anything about you being incorrect or that you should not have the right to form your opinion. Not once. So stop saying that I have. While continually you and a few others have clearly stated that with 'Have you read the DAMN grand jury report? It is all there, what else do you need?", among other things.

I will continue to post and stay true to what I have stated from the beginning. Please stop responding to my posts.

hahaha u cant respond to something so stupid? and yet u respond. not a straight up lie, u been arguing with every1 else in this thread, it isnt just about me vs you. have ur little stance, and every person with half a brain will have theirs. ps asking what i do 4 a living was a condescending question as it had nothing to do with the argument, it was so out of context you were clearly trying to use it in an attempt to put me down. if there was any other reason 4 asking i'd like 2 hear it.
And to clear up one other thing that has been twisted around by those on this forum.

My original post in this thread was to wait until all the evidence came out against Joe Pa before destroying the guys legacy. Others than started to claim I was trying to back Sandusky. Not true at all.