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NBA Finals Thread: Mavs are NBA Champions! :O

Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
is anyone else annoyed by Stevenson's s**t talking and gansta wannabe attitude? or is that just me?

its annoying if u dont back it up, but he buried some 3's yesterday plus that shirt hes rocking is awesome....rasheed wallaces gurantees only annoyed me when he didnt follow through but when he did like game 2 of the 2004 ecf it was wicked

it wasn't the guarantees and what not, it's just Stevenson overall, him celebrating ever 3 he makes, him trying as hard as he can to be so relevant when he's no more than a role player, then yesterday when he about got that fight at midcourt started

he's just a f**king punk and I hope he gets knocked out on his ass one of these days, I can't stand the dude

role players are relevant, u dont win without them, its seldom in this league for guys to bury 3's and not celebrate, he hit 3's, defended well and stepped up in the absence of caron butler, u might not like his attitude but he stepped it up 4 the mavs in the playoffs, contributions are not only found in points....how is eddie house any different for the heat yesterday or back when he was on the celtics?

[ Edited by crabman82 on Jun 13, 2011 at 13:05:01 ]
Originally posted by susweel:
I still believe a motivated and hungry Laker team would have beaten both of these teams.

Even the team that swept them....swept them. There is no argument here.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
is anyone else annoyed by Stevenson's s**t talking and gansta wannabe attitude? or is that just me?

I was pissed when he decided to not attend Kansas and instead enter the NBA draft, I cant stand that dude ever since he decided he was gonna bang a 14 year old girl
thought wayne was there repping the heat
Originally posted by SLICK:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
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They had the superstar leader (Dirk)

And Miami was supposed to have two.

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A vet PG who knew how to run a team (Kidd)

LeBron & Wade run PG for Miami. It's no different than Kobe running the offense and Derek Fisher standing there and being a catch and shoot guy. Plus, Chalmers had an excellent series, and he's 10 times the defender that Fisher is. Miami's lack of a true PG isn't prohibitive to winning a title at all.

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perimeter D (Marion, Stevenson, even Kidd to a degree),


Miami was lacking perimeter defense?

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low post D (Chandler),

Low post D? On who? Who on Dallas was operating in the low post? And Joel Anthony & Udonis Haslem aren't good interior defenders?

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the penetrating PG who could break guys down off the dribble and set up shooters (Barea),

Again, you have Wade & LeBron there to break guys down off the dribble and set up shooters.

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electric scoring off the bench (JET), etc.

That's the only thing that's somewhat valid, and even then, Chalmers was excellent throughout the series.

These are ALL excuses. LeBron's "supporting" cast played pretty well as a whole in this series...it was LeBron that didn't show up.


Exactly. Lebron dishing to Juwan Howard of all people says alot about him...
The Heat win this series if they get effort from Lebron. The Heat played well enough to win...Lebron did not.
Originally posted by ads_2006:
thought wayne was there repping the heat

Exactly what i thought
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
thought wayne was there repping the heat

Exactly what i thought

why.. did he switch squads?
Who'd a thought, Bosh played the most solid of the three during the Finals. Too bad he didn't get more touches. I felt that he had the Dallas defense moving more than anyone.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Who'd a thought, Bosh played the most solid of the three during the Finals. Too bad he didn't get more touches. I felt that he had the Dallas defense moving more than anyone.

Wade was easily their best player in that series.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Who'd a thought, Bosh played the most solid of the three during the Finals. Too bad he didn't get more touches. I felt that he had the Dallas defense moving more than anyone.

Wade was easily their best player in that series.

Yeah. All Bosh did was feed off Dwyane and lebron attacking the basket, he just stood 15 feet away and waited for them to dish it to him and he'd sink the open 15 foot jumper.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Who'd a thought, Bosh played the most solid of the three during the Finals. Too bad he didn't get more touches. I felt that he had the Dallas defense moving more than anyone.

Wade was easily their best player in that series.

for sure, the way he challenges, contests and block shots from the 2 guard spot in unreal not to mention his rebounding
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
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They had the superstar leader (Dirk)

And Miami was supposed to have two.

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A vet PG who knew how to run a team (Kidd)

LeBron & Wade run PG for Miami. It's no different than Kobe running the offense and Derek Fisher standing there and being a catch and shoot guy. Plus, Chalmers had an excellent series, and he's 10 times the defender that Fisher is. Miami's lack of a true PG isn't prohibitive to winning a title at all.

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perimeter D (Marion, Stevenson, even Kidd to a degree),


Miami was lacking perimeter defense?

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low post D (Chandler),

Low post D? On who? Who on Dallas was operating in the low post? And Joel Anthony & Udonis Haslem aren't good interior defenders?

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the penetrating PG who could break guys down off the dribble and set up shooters (Barea),

Again, you have Wade & LeBron there to break guys down off the dribble and set up shooters.

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electric scoring off the bench (JET), etc.

That's the only thing that's somewhat valid, and even then, Chalmers was excellent throughout the series.

These are ALL excuses. LeBron's "supporting" cast played pretty well as a whole in this series...it was LeBron that didn't show up.

Who on Dallas was operating in the low post you ask? ... Who cares?? There's FAR more to low post D than just one on one guarding an opposing big. It's all about HELP D. Tyson Chandler is arguably the 2nd best defensive big man in the game and you don't slow down LBJ and Wade without great help on the interior. Joel Anthony's garbage. If it weren't for Bibby and Fisher, he'd be arguably the worst starter in the NBA. Haslem is 6'8". A legit vet PG would mean LBJ/Wade wouldn't HAVE to be that guy. That's the point. Sure Miami had great perimeter D. My argument was not that Miami had NO good elements to their team, rather that Dallas had more and was a more complete squad. I also think you overrate Chalmers. He's a decent player but I bet there's easily at least 25-30 PG's that are better:

Rondo
D. Williams
Billups
Holiday
Calderon
Rose
Stuckey
Collison
Hinrich
Nelson
Wall
Curry
Nash
Brooks
Udrih
Kidd
Barea
Lowry
Dragic
Conley
Paul
Parker
Hill
Lawson
Felton
Westbrook
Miller
Harris

There may be more also...don't get me wrong, LBJ definitely did not have his best series. But Dallas is definitely a far more complete team.

[ Edited by andes14 on Jun 13, 2011 at 14:00:23 ]
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
thought wayne was there repping the heat

Exactly what i thought

weezy is the biggest bandwagon fan lol
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by andes14:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by andes14:
Originally posted by TheGoldenState:
Lol I guess lebron was serious when he said Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6 or 7

Lol, give it time. I still guarantee you they win at least 3-4 rings, unless D12, CP3, Durant, and Dirk all decide to play together or something like that hahah. Wade and LBJ are still great, they do have some serious holes on their team though that they should fill over time.

You have a team with two players that control the ball the vast majority of the time, and the other guys stand around waiting for the catch-and-shoot scraps...and the offense isn't all that effective? Imagine that.

The team that won the NBA title this year had DeShawn Stevenson, JJ Barea, Ian Mahinmi, & Brian Cardinal getting rotational minutes...but MIAMI's roster has holes? It's not like LeBron balled his ass off and the team around him came up short.

That was a below average offense during the playoffs, and their offense will always be exactly that as long as they dribble and chew up clock the way that they do. The difference in ball movement in this series was STAGGERING, and the way that LeBron & Wade play are the main reasons why.

They're gonna win a couple of titles, but it's going to be because of their team defense.

Yes, even though Miami had greater individual talent, Dallas had far fewer holes. They had the superstar leader (Dirk), vet PG who knew how to run a team (Kidd), perimeter D (Marion, Stevenson, even Kidd to a degree), low post D (Chandler), the penetrating PG who could break guys down off the dribble and set up shooters (Barea), electric scoring off the bench (JET), etc. The Heat lacked most of those dimensions.

Dallas only had one NBA all-star.

And for all intents and purposes Miami had 2. Yes, I know Bosh is technically an all-star and someone like Tyson Chandler is not. But does anyone here not think Miami would be way better if they had Chandler instead of Bosh?

Chalmers/Wade/LBJ/Haslem/Chandler>>>Chalmers/Wade/LBJ/Bosh/Anthony

[ Edited by andes14 on Jun 13, 2011 at 14:07:43 ]