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Lebron James Approval Rating

Lebron James Approval Rating

Lebron is a punk. dont like him, and Kobe is the best player in the league, not Lebron. im a warriors fan so im not biased. Kobe is more valuable by far.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by drake49er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
I'll never see him the way I see Jordan or even Kobe for that matter. I agree with Barkely. Being a ring whore at 26 is just pathetic.

Going forward this is the new NBA. Paul will join up with Melo and Stoudamire. Howard will be a Laker. It's going to be stars colluding to the easiest path.

I find it funny when people critize Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Isn't winning the Championship the ultimate goal for anyone? It's like you guys expect each one to go to the worst team in the NBA to take the longest and hardest path to a Championship. Wanting a championship doesn't mean anything b/c everyone wants one...Winning a championship means everything.

Ask Karl Malone how it feels to never win a Championship....Barkely is just jealous b/c he has never won one.

Karl Malone and Barkley lost to the best player who ever played the game. At least they can say they aren't little b*tches who had to collude and form a super trio in their primes to get the job done.

I agree with you the goal is to win titles, but your goal shouldn't be take the easiest path either. That's exactly what Lebron did. I can't lead a team on my own so I'll team up with two other 10 guys to get the job done. Pretty much all of the stars of the 80's said the same thing. They wanted to beat the best not play with them to make it easy.

but Malone went to the Lakers cause it was his best chance to win a title. I like watching LeBron play basketball. I don't care who he plays for or anything like that. He's an awesome bball player and that's all that matters to me.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by drake49er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
I'll never see him the way I see Jordan or even Kobe for that matter. I agree with Barkely. Being a ring whore at 26 is just pathetic.

Going forward this is the new NBA. Paul will join up with Melo and Stoudamire. Howard will be a Laker. It's going to be stars colluding to the easiest path.

I find it funny when people critize Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Isn't winning the Championship the ultimate goal for anyone? It's like you guys expect each one to go to the worst team in the NBA to take the longest and hardest path to a Championship. Wanting a championship doesn't mean anything b/c everyone wants one...Winning a championship means everything.

Ask Karl Malone how it feels to never win a Championship....Barkely is just jealous b/c he has never won one.

Karl Malone and Barkley lost to the best player who ever played the game. At least they can say they aren't little b*tches who had to collude and form a super trio in their primes to get the job done.

I agree with you the goal is to win titles, but your goal shouldn't be take the easiest path either. That's exactly what Lebron did. I can't lead a team on my own so I'll team up with two other 10 guys to get the job done. Pretty much all of the stars of the 80's said the same thing. They wanted to beat the best not play with them to make it easy.

I hardly think they are "little b***hes" for taking less money to play on the same team. Look at the Celtics...Rondo, Pierce, Allen and Garnett. Pierce, Allen and Garnett weren't mediocre players either before all of them ended up playing for Boston. They were the people who gave the big three in Miami the idea to play together. All people would talk about is how they are the next great Boston team. IMO the reason it wasn't a big deal is b/c they traded for Allen and Garnett. Miami is taking heat (no pun intended) b/c they were all FA and the big ordeal with Lebron. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have an issue with it.
Originally posted by GoNiners:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by drake49er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
I'll never see him the way I see Jordan or even Kobe for that matter. I agree with Barkely. Being a ring whore at 26 is just pathetic.

Going forward this is the new NBA. Paul will join up with Melo and Stoudamire. Howard will be a Laker. It's going to be stars colluding to the easiest path.

I find it funny when people critize Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Isn't winning the Championship the ultimate goal for anyone? It's like you guys expect each one to go to the worst team in the NBA to take the longest and hardest path to a Championship. Wanting a championship doesn't mean anything b/c everyone wants one...Winning a championship means everything.

Ask Karl Malone how it feels to never win a Championship....Barkely is just jealous b/c he has never won one.

Karl Malone and Barkley lost to the best player who ever played the game. At least they can say they aren't little b*tches who had to collude and form a super trio in their primes to get the job done.

I agree with you the goal is to win titles, but your goal shouldn't be take the easiest path either. That's exactly what Lebron did. I can't lead a team on my own so I'll team up with two other 10 guys to get the job done. Pretty much all of the stars of the 80's said the same thing. They wanted to beat the best not play with them to make it easy.

but Malone went to the Lakers cause it was his best chance to win a title. I like watching LeBron play basketball. I don't care who he plays for or anything like that. He's an awesome bball player and that's all that matters to me.

When you're old and washed up it's a different story. Do whatever it takes.

I like his game. I enjoyed him in Cleveland, but I really think he screwed up the sport. This is the new NBA. Players trying to stack the deck. We've already seen Melo force his way out Denver get ready for Paul, D Will and Howard this season.
Originally posted by drake49er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by drake49er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
I'll never see him the way I see Jordan or even Kobe for that matter. I agree with Barkely. Being a ring whore at 26 is just pathetic.

Going forward this is the new NBA. Paul will join up with Melo and Stoudamire. Howard will be a Laker. It's going to be stars colluding to the easiest path.

I find it funny when people critize Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Isn't winning the Championship the ultimate goal for anyone? It's like you guys expect each one to go to the worst team in the NBA to take the longest and hardest path to a Championship. Wanting a championship doesn't mean anything b/c everyone wants one...Winning a championship means everything.

Ask Karl Malone how it feels to never win a Championship....Barkely is just jealous b/c he has never won one.

Karl Malone and Barkley lost to the best player who ever played the game. At least they can say they aren't little b*tches who had to collude and form a super trio in their primes to get the job done.

I agree with you the goal is to win titles, but your goal shouldn't be take the easiest path either. That's exactly what Lebron did. I can't lead a team on my own so I'll team up with two other 10 guys to get the job done. Pretty much all of the stars of the 80's said the same thing. They wanted to beat the best not play with them to make it easy.

I hardly think they are "little b***hes" for taking less money to play on the same team. Look at the Celtics...Rondo, Pierce, Allen and Garnett. Pierce, Allen and Garnett weren't mediocre players either before all of them ended up playing for Boston. They were the people who gave the big three in Miami the idea to play together. All people would talk about is how they are the next great Boston team. IMO the reason it wasn't a big deal is b/c they traded for Allen and Garnett. Miami is taking heat (no pun intended) b/c they were all FA and the big ordeal with Lebron. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have an issue with it.

It wasn't a big deal because like you said it was a FO move, and also they're aging players who were ring chasing.

I'm okay with an older vet if he needs to stack the deck to win it all, but if you want to be considered the best to ever play the game man up and win with a team built around you. Your wing men should not be 2 10 ten players in their prime.

Anyways like I said his half @ss attitude is going to come back at him, because it ain't going to be long until other teams employ this sh*tty strategy.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
The whole LeBron not being huge in the 4th (even though he is) and minimizing the fact that he switches onto Derrick Rose at the end of the game. Reminds me a lot of Kobe shutting down Chris Paul but nobody giving him credit for that. There are lots of others.

LeBron hasn't been huge in 4th quarters. He's dominated the ball and his team has been pedestrian on the offensive end as a result. Miami's no more productive offensively than Cleveland was, despite having two of the best offensive players in the game alongside James. It's not a coincidence...it's how LeBron plays. He dribbles and dribbles and chews up large portions of the shot clock, and Miami doesn't get a lot in the way of good looks as a result.

Miami's defense is what's winning this series, especially in the 4th quarters where Chicago's scoring less than 16ppg. LeBron definitely contributes to that end of the floor, but it's been a tremendous group effort.

And there's a difference between Kobe guarding a guy like Paul, Westbrook or Rondo for an entire game, and LeBron guarding Rose (who's sucking against everyone that's guarding him) for a few possessions at the end of games. C'mon, Reign.

LOL. You do minimize him guarding Rose at the end. You put your best on the other guys best at the end of the game to close them out. Rose has no answer with Lebron guarding him. Like you said the Heat play great defense. And last time I checked defense is part of the game. And we all know who the best defender is on that team. Like I said the best guy on the best guy to close out the game.

[ Edited by SanDiego49er on May 25, 2011 at 7:51 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
The whole LeBron not being huge in the 4th (even though he is) and minimizing the fact that he switches onto Derrick Rose at the end of the game. Reminds me a lot of Kobe shutting down Chris Paul but nobody giving him credit for that. There are lots of others.

LeBron hasn't been huge in 4th quarters. He's dominated the ball and his team has been pedestrian on the offensive end as a result. Miami's no more productive offensively than Cleveland was, despite having two of the best offensive players in the game alongside James. It's not a coincidence...it's how LeBron plays. He dribbles and dribbles and chews up large portions of the shot clock, and Miami doesn't get a lot in the way of good looks as a result.

Miami's defense is what's winning this series, especially in the 4th quarters where Chicago's scoring less than 16ppg. LeBron definitely contributes to that end of the floor, but it's been a tremendous group effort.

And there's a difference between Kobe guarding a guy like Paul, Westbrook or Rondo for an entire game, and LeBron guarding Rose (who's sucking against everyone that's guarding him) for a few possessions at the end of games. C'mon, Reign.

LOL. You do minimize him guarding Rose at the end. You put your best on the other guys best at the end of the game to close them out. Rose has no answer with Lebron guarding him. Like you said the Heat play great defense. And last time I checked defense is part of the game. And we all know who the best defender is on that team. Like I said the best guy on the best guy to close out the game.


Rose has no answer for any of the guys that Miami's put on him. But I'm supposed to fawn all over LeBron for having the same impact on Rose that everyone else has over the other 45 minutes. Uh...okay.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
The whole LeBron not being huge in the 4th (even though he is) and minimizing the fact that he switches onto Derrick Rose at the end of the game. Reminds me a lot of Kobe shutting down Chris Paul but nobody giving him credit for that. There are lots of others.

LeBron hasn't been huge in 4th quarters. He's dominated the ball and his team has been pedestrian on the offensive end as a result. Miami's no more productive offensively than Cleveland was, despite having two of the best offensive players in the game alongside James. It's not a coincidence...it's how LeBron plays. He dribbles and dribbles and chews up large portions of the shot clock, and Miami doesn't get a lot in the way of good looks as a result.

Miami's defense is what's winning this series, especially in the 4th quarters where Chicago's scoring less than 16ppg. LeBron definitely contributes to that end of the floor, but it's been a tremendous group effort.

And there's a difference between Kobe guarding a guy like Paul, Westbrook or Rondo for an entire game, and LeBron guarding Rose (who's sucking against everyone that's guarding him) for a few possessions at the end of games. C'mon, Reign.

LOL. You do minimize him guarding Rose at the end. You put your best on the other guys best at the end of the game to close them out. Rose has no answer with Lebron guarding him. Like you said the Heat play great defense. And last time I checked defense is part of the game. And we all know who the best defender is on that team. Like I said the best guy on the best guy to close out the game.


Rose has no answer for any of the guys that Miami's put on him. But I'm supposed to fawn all over LeBron for having the same impact on Rose that everyone else has over the other 45 minutes. Uh...okay.

They guy you put on him at the end of the game is Lebron. He can't even shoot over him. The HC knows who his best defender is. Why doesn't he put somebody else on Rose? Better yet show me another 6'8" 250 + guy who has the feet, speed and length to bother Rose? Who? Defense is part of the game and Lebron is phenemenal. He can guard the 1, 2, 3 and 4 position on the floor. He can also play 1, 2, 3 and 4 on offense. Show me another guy who can do that in the NBA? Who?



What you also fail to say is in the beginning the Heat as you say played good defense vs. Rose. They put a "wall around him." At the end of the game they put Lebron James on him 1 on 1. Because he is good enough...
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on May 25, 2011 at 8:49 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
The whole LeBron not being huge in the 4th (even though he is) and minimizing the fact that he switches onto Derrick Rose at the end of the game. Reminds me a lot of Kobe shutting down Chris Paul but nobody giving him credit for that. There are lots of others.

LeBron hasn't been huge in 4th quarters. He's dominated the ball and his team has been pedestrian on the offensive end as a result. Miami's no more productive offensively than Cleveland was, despite having two of the best offensive players in the game alongside James. It's not a coincidence...it's how LeBron plays. He dribbles and dribbles and chews up large portions of the shot clock, and Miami doesn't get a lot in the way of good looks as a result.

Miami's defense is what's winning this series, especially in the 4th quarters where Chicago's scoring less than 16ppg. LeBron definitely contributes to that end of the floor, but it's been a tremendous group effort.

And there's a difference between Kobe guarding a guy like Paul, Westbrook or Rondo for an entire game, and LeBron guarding Rose (who's sucking against everyone that's guarding him) for a few possessions at the end of games. C'mon, Reign.

LOL. You do minimize him guarding Rose at the end. You put your best on the other guys best at the end of the game to close them out. Rose has no answer with Lebron guarding him. Like you said the Heat play great defense. And last time I checked defense is part of the game. And we all know who the best defender is on that team. Like I said the best guy on the best guy to close out the game.


Rose has no answer for any of the guys that Miami's put on him. But I'm supposed to fawn all over LeBron for having the same impact on Rose that everyone else has over the other 45 minutes. Uh...okay.

They guy you put on him at the end of the game is Lebron. He can't even shoot over him. The HC knows who his best defender is. Why doesn't he put somebody else on Rose? Better yet show me another 6'8" 250 + guy who has the feet, speed and length to bother Rose? Who? Defense is part of the game and Lebron is phenemenal. He can guard the 1, 2, 3 and 4 position on the floor. He can also play 1, 2, 3 and 4 on offense. Show me another guy who can do that in the NBA? Who?


I agree that LeBron's become a phenomenal defender and the best defender on the Heat. Where did I suggest otherwise?

But I think it's silly to fawn over his defense on Rose when Rose is struggling against every matchup. And I think it's equally silly to equate LeBron defending Rose for a few possessions at the end of games to Kobe guarding guys like Westbrook, Paul, or Rondo for entire games.

at the edited "wall" comment. That's completely dependent on whether or not Chicago runs a pick and roll. They're not "walling" Rose with anyone when he's in single coverage.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on May 25, 2011 at 8:58 PM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
The whole LeBron not being huge in the 4th (even though he is) and minimizing the fact that he switches onto Derrick Rose at the end of the game. Reminds me a lot of Kobe shutting down Chris Paul but nobody giving him credit for that. There are lots of others.

LeBron hasn't been huge in 4th quarters. He's dominated the ball and his team has been pedestrian on the offensive end as a result. Miami's no more productive offensively than Cleveland was, despite having two of the best offensive players in the game alongside James. It's not a coincidence...it's how LeBron plays. He dribbles and dribbles and chews up large portions of the shot clock, and Miami doesn't get a lot in the way of good looks as a result.

Miami's defense is what's winning this series, especially in the 4th quarters where Chicago's scoring less than 16ppg. LeBron definitely contributes to that end of the floor, but it's been a tremendous group effort.

And there's a difference between Kobe guarding a guy like Paul, Westbrook or Rondo for an entire game, and LeBron guarding Rose (who's sucking against everyone that's guarding him) for a few possessions at the end of games. C'mon, Reign.

LOL. You do minimize him guarding Rose at the end. You put your best on the other guys best at the end of the game to close them out. Rose has no answer with Lebron guarding him. Like you said the Heat play great defense. And last time I checked defense is part of the game. And we all know who the best defender is on that team. Like I said the best guy on the best guy to close out the game.


Rose has no answer for any of the guys that Miami's put on him. But I'm supposed to fawn all over LeBron for having the same impact on Rose that everyone else has over the other 45 minutes. Uh...okay.

They guy you put on him at the end of the game is Lebron. He can't even shoot over him. The HC knows who his best defender is. Why doesn't he put somebody else on Rose? Better yet show me another 6'8" 250 + guy who has the feet, speed and length to bother Rose? Who? Defense is part of the game and Lebron is phenemenal. He can guard the 1, 2, 3 and 4 position on the floor. He can also play 1, 2, 3 and 4 on offense. Show me another guy who can do that in the NBA? Who?


I agree that LeBron's become a phenomenal defender and the best defender on the Heat. Where did I suggest otherwise?

But I think it's silly to fawn over his defense on Rose when Rose is struggling against every matchup. And I think it's equally silly to equate LeBron defending Rose for a few possessions at the end of games to Kobe guarding guys like Westbrook, Paul, or Rondo for entire games.

at the edited "wall" comment. That's completely dependent on whether or not Chicago runs a pick and roll. They're not "walling" Rose with anyone when he's in single coverage.

The guy you put on him at the end to close out the game is your best guy... Rose couldn't even find the rim over the 6'8" phenom. His shots were way off. Because of the length. They would put Lebron on him more but they don't want to get him in foul trouble. Thus just at the end. But he can hold down D. Rose all day if you want him too.

And the Lebron dribbling the ball around stuff and using up clock blah before in the thread. Who has the points in the 4th Quarters and overtime this series? Which guy has been the best at the end for the Heat?...
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The guy you put on him at the end to close out the game is your best guy... Rose couldn't even find the rim over the 6'8" phenom. His shots were way off. Because of the length. They would put Lebron on him more but they don't want to get him in foul trouble. Thus just at the end. But he can hold down D. Rose all day if you want him too.

And the Lebron dribbling the ball around stuff and using up clock blah before in the thread. Who has the points in the 4th Quarters and overtime this series? Which guy has been the best at the end for the Heat?...

Oh, I dunno...the guy that's getting the opportunities because he has the ball the vast majority of the time? That's the point. Miami's offense has been poor during the 4th quarter and overtimes. LeBron's put up numbers, which is a natural result of having the ball as much as he does. And it's been to the detriment of Miami's offense.

Game 3 was by FAR his best 4th quarter of the series because he made good basketball plays that resulted in good shots for everyone, himself included.
Like him, always have. The decision was a poor decision...but as a player and a dude, good in my books.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The guy you put on him at the end to close out the game is your best guy... Rose couldn't even find the rim over the 6'8" phenom. His shots were way off. Because of the length. They would put Lebron on him more but they don't want to get him in foul trouble. Thus just at the end. But he can hold down D. Rose all day if you want him too.

And the Lebron dribbling the ball around stuff and using up clock blah before in the thread. Who has the points in the 4th Quarters and overtime this series? Which guy has been the best at the end for the Heat?...

Oh, I dunno...the guy that's getting the opportunities because he has the ball the vast majority of the time? That's the point. Miami's offense has been poor during the 4th quarter and overtimes. LeBron's put up numbers, which is a natural result of having the ball as much as he does. And it's been to the detriment of Miami's offense.

Game 3 was by FAR his best 4th quarter of the series because he made good basketball plays that resulted in good shots for everyone, himself included.

The guy gets the opportunities at the end of the game the vast majority of the time because coach Spo knows who the best player on the floor is...
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on May 25, 2011 at 9:42 PM ]
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I like Lebron, I'm over my initial hatred because of the stupid Decision.

But it is kinda lame to win a ring with a superteam. Teaming up with his buddies to finally win a ring diminishes the overall accomplishment.

I will never ever consider Lebron in the conversation for the greatest players of all time, even if he wins 10 rings with Wade and Bosh.

It's too bad, because I expected more from Lebron. Physically, there has never been an NBA player like Lebron. I expected him to completely revolutionize the game of basketball.

Oh well.
Wade > LeBron, ya i said it, why do u think bosh went to miami instead of cleveland? lebron only followed once he knew bosh was going to south beach