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IMO the refs/nba were definitely aiming to get the series to go seven. Make subtle calls to steer the outcome a certain direction. It's just that that game 6 was WAYYY to blatantly obvious with the calls, for a prolonged amount of time.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
When your team ran out of sack and you have run out of things to debate that you've heard throughout the years, just resort to the good ol' "You're just a biased Laker fan".

Gee where did you steal that from?

Originally posted by LA9erfan:
your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.
Originally posted by LA9erfan:
It's the usual, "oh, you're just a Laker fan" cop out once you actually have to support your opinion.

Have you ever had your own thought regarding the Lakers in your life? Or do you just steal everything from Pete? Down to the sack phrase and all? You couldn't have come up with something different?
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

That year the Kings were, maybe not the better team per say, but every bit as good. And they had a deciding game taken from them. You all seem to recall a bad call here or there, but that's a tad different than a string of bad calls that changed the outcome of a game that was ready to be put in the books.

I agree that the Kings were every bit as good as the Lakers that year, but how was that game ready to be put in the books? I don't think the Kings had more than a 6 point lead at any point in the second half.

And as has been mentioned before, the Lakers got totally screwed at the end of Game 5, as well as the entirety of that game. Shaq, in his prime, played 32 minutes, shot one free throw, and fouled out.

No one talks or cares about that game because the Lakers won the series.

Since we are going into detail here why don't you rewatch the 2nd half of game 4 when the Kings were blowing the Fakers out and Phil switched Kobe to guard Bibby in the second half and Kobe fouled Bibby SO MANY EFFIN TIMES that even Bill Walton was saying on TV "what is going on, those are fouls, you have to call that". And I love the inbounds play in game 6 where Kobe almost BREAKS BIBBY'S NOSE with an elbow but Bibby gets a foul (In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket) or my favorite one on all. Game 6, Pollard is in the lane stationary with arms straight up (and why this is bad is that the NBA's camera was in perfect position to see this phantom call) Shaq catches the pass and starts to turn around for a short hook shot (about 6-8 feet from the basket) now understand, there is LITERALLY 3 feet between theses two players, there was NO contact between these to on this play. Whistle, foul, but wait, upon replay you can clearly see that Dick Bavetta is raising his arm to start to make the foul call BEFORE SHAQ EVEN FINISHES TURNING AROUND FOR THE SHOT. And, again, from the camera you can see the POLLARD never touches him. Not with a body, arm anything. That call was coming no matter what.........

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Look Laker fans, you have won 10 championships in the last 30 years. You average one every 3 years, you are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports but for the love of God I don't understand why you guys defend 2002. All the Kings wanted (and their fans) was an even chance to show that they were the better team, and they didn't get that. And that pisses off some Kings fans to this day. I mean, Laker fans are really the only ones in the country (except the NBA, of course) that claims that 2002 was not fixed.

Anyhoo, Go Giants!!!!



Look....You guys got all the calls in Game 5, (Game 2 was dubious as well) and shot 30 free throws in a Game 7 that went to overtime. Had you hit even 70% of those, you would have won the series. Despite all of the whining over the years, the Kings were never up more than 4-6 points in that 4th quarter of Game 6. Judging by the bricks from the FT line in Game 7, and Doug Christie & Peja tossing up multiple AIRBALLS down the stretch of that game, your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.

But it's a lot easier to act like they were victims than to remember their balls shrinking when it mattered most.

If you really think that the league fixed the series, risking their entire business model, for the sake of the Lakers playing 4 extra games (how big do you think the benefit of those 4 games was, exactly? ), AND you think that they left themselves such a slight margin for error that Game 7 goes to overtime...ummm, okay.

And I couldn't give two s**ts what the general public thinks. The general public is f**king stupid.

Never understood why it was either screwed or wilted but not both. Seems to me they got screwed by some real bad calls and wilted when it really matters.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

That year the Kings were, maybe not the better team per say, but every bit as good. And they had a deciding game taken from them. You all seem to recall a bad call here or there, but that's a tad different than a string of bad calls that changed the outcome of a game that was ready to be put in the books.

I agree that the Kings were every bit as good as the Lakers that year, but how was that game ready to be put in the books? I don't think the Kings had more than a 6 point lead at any point in the second half.

And as has been mentioned before, the Lakers got totally screwed at the end of Game 5, as well as the entirety of that game. Shaq, in his prime, played 32 minutes, shot one free throw, and fouled out.

No one talks or cares about that game because the Lakers won the series.

Since we are going into detail here why don't you rewatch the 2nd half of game 4 when the Kings were blowing the Fakers out and Phil switched Kobe to guard Bibby in the second half and Kobe fouled Bibby SO MANY EFFIN TIMES that even Bill Walton was saying on TV "what is going on, those are fouls, you have to call that". And I love the inbounds play in game 6 where Kobe almost BREAKS BIBBY'S NOSE with an elbow but Bibby gets a foul (In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket) or my favorite one on all. Game 6, Pollard is in the lane stationary with arms straight up (and why this is bad is that the NBA's camera was in perfect position to see this phantom call) Shaq catches the pass and starts to turn around for a short hook shot (about 6-8 feet from the basket) now understand, there is LITERALLY 3 feet between theses two players, there was NO contact between these to on this play. Whistle, foul, but wait, upon replay you can clearly see that Dick Bavetta is raising his arm to start to make the foul call BEFORE SHAQ EVEN FINISHES TURNING AROUND FOR THE SHOT. And, again, from the camera you can see the POLLARD never touches him. Not with a body, arm anything. That call was coming no matter what.........

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Look Laker fans, you have won 10 championships in the last 30 years. You average one every 3 years, you are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports but for the love of God I don't understand why you guys defend 2002. All the Kings wanted (and their fans) was an even chance to show that they were the better team, and they didn't get that. And that pisses off some Kings fans to this day. I mean, Laker fans are really the only ones in the country (except the NBA, of course) that claims that 2002 was not fixed.

Anyhoo, Go Giants!!!!



Look....You guys got all the calls in Game 5, (Game 2 was dubious as well) and shot 30 free throws in a Game 7 that went to overtime. Had you hit even 70% of those, you would have won the series. Despite all of the whining over the years, the Kings were never up more than 4-6 points in that 4th quarter of Game 6. Judging by the bricks from the FT line in Game 7, and Doug Christie & Peja tossing up multiple AIRBALLS down the stretch of that game, your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.

But it's a lot easier to act like they were victims than to remember their balls shrinking when it mattered most.

If you really think that the league fixed the series, risking their entire business model, for the sake of the Lakers playing 4 extra games (how big do you think the benefit of those 4 games was, exactly? ), AND you think that they left themselves such a slight margin for error that Game 7 goes to overtime...ummm, okay.

And I couldn't give two s**ts what the general public thinks. The general public is f**king stupid.

Never understood why it was either screwed or wilted but not both. Seems to me they got screwed by some real bad calls and wilted when it really matters.

Anybody can watch any NBA game and point out where one team got "screwed". The problem is, it works for both teams playing the game. The wilting is much more significant than the getting screwed.
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
the 2002 western conference finals against the kings was absolutely fixed

This x1000000000000

god dont remind me
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

the reason the kings suck is because of the 2002 WCF

my theory:
the kings suck because the maloof bro's were losing too much money trying to win a championship. so they gave up and brought their focus back to casinos.

the were only good to begin with because they just so happened to land a couple good players and randomly got a coach.

why i believe it:
they're frickin casino owners, the nba is a secondary business to them.

None of this makes any sense. YOu guys are all wrong about why the Kings fell apart. Bottom line is they got old. It happens to damn near every team. They would've had a few more years as contenders if Webber hadn't blown out his knee and needed microfracture surgey but he did. Then Peja got old with a bad back(just look at how bad he's playing for NO on that huge contract), Mike Bibby got old and didn't play as well when they wanted a change from Adelman and he wasn't in a motion offense, Christie got old and had to be traded, Vlade got old and had a bad back.

I'm not really sure where all this "kings fans blame the NBA conspiracy against them for their team falling apart" or "the maloofs decided they wanted to lose money on their NBA team by losing a lot of games so they could focus on a casino that's doing poorly right now" theories came from. The only thing is if the officiating had went our way in game 6 or not so many terrible calls, then yeah we probably would have a championship and a new arena now. But the team still would've gotten old and we still would be right where we are now, just probably with a new arena. But we didn't play well when we had the chance in game 7 either and things didn't work out so it semi-evens out. The bottom line is the team got old, all teams do.

that's not what i said.

i said my belief is that were losing too much money trying to win a championship. NOT that they wanted to lose money on their team.

i'll bet the average/decent teams make more money than the championship teams.


....and i think this flaw characterizes many teams in every sport btw, not just the kings. (niners are one of them)

Nah the problem isn't that the weren't spending money. They were in the luxury tax for a while and over the cap up until this year. This year is the first year in 3 or 4 years they've had a chance to do anything. They were over the cap so they couldn't buy anymore star players, and it's not like they were the Lakers who were built around a superstar in his prime so it's not like buying complimentary players worked. The team is finally looking like they might make a comeback primarily because they started spending less money on veteran players and made an effort to play the young guys and get more young players through the draft.

pretty much the point i was trying to make. they were losing money. that's why they suck. not because the ref's sabotaged them and forced the organization into a deep state of depression.

this also backs up when i was comparing them to the Niners (remember the post donnahue salary cap hell). An inability to manage the salary cap is a sign that maybe something's up in the FO.
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
the 2002 western conference finals against the kings was absolutely fixed

This x1000000000000

god dont remind me

Kings got screwed in Game 6 but the Lakers got screwed in Game 7 with some make-up calls (nothing like a chin fouling an elbow) but the Kings choked it away.

Also, in Game 6, Lakers don't win if Horry doesn't hit the three. Technically, the game wasn't "handed" to the Lakers whereas Game 7 was basically handed to the Kings and they decided to take it, sit on it, and shove it up their ass for the loss.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Kings got screwed in Game 6 but the Lakers got screwed in Game 7 with some make-up calls (nothing like a chin fouling an elbow) but the Kings choked it away.

Also, in Game 6, Lakers don't win if Horry doesn't hit the three. Technically, the game wasn't "handed" to the Lakers whereas Game 7 was basically handed to the Kings and they decided to take it, sit on it, and shove it up their ass for the loss.

Dude Horry hit the game winning 3 in game 4. You don't even know what you're talking about. And FWIW it was Bibby's CHIN that fouled Kobe's elbow, not like you said that someone on LA's chin fouled anyone on Sac's elbow. You don't even have any idea what you're talking about dude.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Kings got screwed in Game 6 but the Lakers got screwed in Game 7 with some make-up calls (nothing like a chin fouling an elbow) but the Kings choked it away.

Also, in Game 6, Lakers don't win if Horry doesn't hit the three. Technically, the game wasn't "handed" to the Lakers whereas Game 7 was basically handed to the Kings and they decided to take it, sit on it, and shove it up their ass for the loss.

Dude Horry hit the game winning 3 in game 4. You don't even know what you're talking about. And FWIW it was Bibby's CHIN that fouled Kobe's elbow, not like you said that someone on LA's chin fouled anyone on Sac's elbow. You don't even have any idea what you're talking about dude.

My bad. Damn! Why in the hell was I thinking Game 6. Nevermind, Game 6 was handed to them and they made their free throws.

Either way, the Kings got the same "gimmie" treatment in Game 7 (I was at that game) that the Lakers got in Game 6.

Either way, you really can't complain.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
the 2002 western conference finals against the kings was absolutely fixed

Yep, Webber drops the ball out of bounds but the Kings keep posession allowing Bibby to hit the game winner.

Damn Stern.

It's funny how Kings fans don't remember that, or Bobby Jackson trying to undress Kobe when he went up for the last shot.

Or how Laker fans forget that Samaki Walker's half court shot going into halftime of game 4 counted, when it was clearly after the buzzer. I believe those 3 points came in pretty handy for the Lakers in the end.
I was sitting baseline right next to the Bobby defense of Kobe at the end of game 5, just good old fashioned, hard nosed D.
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Nov 3, 2010 at 3:13 PM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

That year the Kings were, maybe not the better team per say, but every bit as good. And they had a deciding game taken from them. You all seem to recall a bad call here or there, but that's a tad different than a string of bad calls that changed the outcome of a game that was ready to be put in the books.

I agree that the Kings were every bit as good as the Lakers that year, but how was that game ready to be put in the books? I don't think the Kings had more than a 6 point lead at any point in the second half.

And as has been mentioned before, the Lakers got totally screwed at the end of Game 5, as well as the entirety of that game. Shaq, in his prime, played 32 minutes, shot one free throw, and fouled out.

No one talks or cares about that game because the Lakers won the series.

Since we are going into detail here why don't you rewatch the 2nd half of game 4 when the Kings were blowing the Fakers out and Phil switched Kobe to guard Bibby in the second half and Kobe fouled Bibby SO MANY EFFIN TIMES that even Bill Walton was saying on TV "what is going on, those are fouls, you have to call that". And I love the inbounds play in game 6 where Kobe almost BREAKS BIBBY'S NOSE with an elbow but Bibby gets a foul (In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket) or my favorite one on all. Game 6, Pollard is in the lane stationary with arms straight up (and why this is bad is that the NBA's camera was in perfect position to see this phantom call) Shaq catches the pass and starts to turn around for a short hook shot (about 6-8 feet from the basket) now understand, there is LITERALLY 3 feet between theses two players, there was NO contact between these to on this play. Whistle, foul, but wait, upon replay you can clearly see that Dick Bavetta is raising his arm to start to make the foul call BEFORE SHAQ EVEN FINISHES TURNING AROUND FOR THE SHOT. And, again, from the camera you can see the POLLARD never touches him. Not with a body, arm anything. That call was coming no matter what.........

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Look Laker fans, you have won 10 championships in the last 30 years. You average one every 3 years, you are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports but for the love of God I don't understand why you guys defend 2002. All the Kings wanted (and their fans) was an even chance to show that they were the better team, and they didn't get that. And that pisses off some Kings fans to this day. I mean, Laker fans are really the only ones in the country (except the NBA, of course) that claims that 2002 was not fixed.

Anyhoo, Go Giants!!!!



Look....You guys got all the calls in Game 5, (Game 2 was dubious as well) and shot 30 free throws in a Game 7 that went to overtime. Had you hit even 70% of those, you would have won the series. Despite all of the whining over the years, the Kings were never up more than 4-6 points in that 4th quarter of Game 6. Judging by the bricks from the FT line in Game 7, and Doug Christie & Peja tossing up multiple AIRBALLS down the stretch of that game, your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.

But it's a lot easier to act like they were victims than to remember their balls shrinking when it mattered most.

If you really think that the league fixed the series, risking their entire business model, for the sake of the Lakers playing 4 extra games (how big do you think the benefit of those 4 games was, exactly? ), AND you think that they left themselves such a slight margin for error that Game 7 goes to overtime...ummm, okay.

And I couldn't give two s**ts what the general public thinks. The general public is f**king stupid.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night is good with me. I long ago stopped wasting my energy on this debate. You are a Lakers fan and will never remember or see that series with an unbiased mind so I bid you good day sir.

Go Niners.

This is always the reaction I hear from Kings fans as soon as Game 5 or Game 7 is brought up. It's the usual, "oh, you're just a Laker fan" cop out once you actually have to support your opinion. Furthermore, 82games.com did an extensive analysis of Game 6, and concluded that there a conspiracy was very unlikely. Maybe they're just Laker fans too. Here's an excerpt...

Quote:
Yes at a glance you can see the Lakers got some advantage from the calls down the stretch, but if Bavetta was really trying to rig the game, would he have called a tie up jump ball at the 3:26 mark (and subsequently had a bad toss that gave the ball to the Kings) with the Kings ahead by two when he could have called a foul on Divac? Would he have called the foul on Fisher at 1:27 that helped bring the Kings back within a point with plenty of time left? Would he have called the blocking foul on Fox with 0:20 when an offensive foul would have basically sealed the game? Doubtful.

But again, it's a lot easier to claim that the Illuminati caused your team to lose rather than face the reality that your team wilted under pressure.

Here's my excerpt from that same article....

2) the conclusions of my review can easily be challenged
- my qualifications are suspect: I've never been a basketball ref at any level. I have however watched thousands of NBA games, large parts of them in slow motion, and have a decent sense of the 'standards' applied to the game today.
- For this game I'm working from pretty grainy videotape transferred to DVD, which doesn't always lend clarity to the pulled back TV angles commonly used. Most egregious to this is that at times it was hard to distinguish between two of the refs (Delaney and Bernhardt)


Nice expert bro. I'll stick with the guy that had to by law tell the truth to federal prosecutors.
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

That year the Kings were, maybe not the better team per say, but every bit as good. And they had a deciding game taken from them. You all seem to recall a bad call here or there, but that's a tad different than a string of bad calls that changed the outcome of a game that was ready to be put in the books.

I agree that the Kings were every bit as good as the Lakers that year, but how was that game ready to be put in the books? I don't think the Kings had more than a 6 point lead at any point in the second half.

And as has been mentioned before, the Lakers got totally screwed at the end of Game 5, as well as the entirety of that game. Shaq, in his prime, played 32 minutes, shot one free throw, and fouled out.

No one talks or cares about that game because the Lakers won the series.

Since we are going into detail here why don't you rewatch the 2nd half of game 4 when the Kings were blowing the Fakers out and Phil switched Kobe to guard Bibby in the second half and Kobe fouled Bibby SO MANY EFFIN TIMES that even Bill Walton was saying on TV "what is going on, those are fouls, you have to call that". And I love the inbounds play in game 6 where Kobe almost BREAKS BIBBY'S NOSE with an elbow but Bibby gets a foul (In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket) or my favorite one on all. Game 6, Pollard is in the lane stationary with arms straight up (and why this is bad is that the NBA's camera was in perfect position to see this phantom call) Shaq catches the pass and starts to turn around for a short hook shot (about 6-8 feet from the basket) now understand, there is LITERALLY 3 feet between theses two players, there was NO contact between these to on this play. Whistle, foul, but wait, upon replay you can clearly see that Dick Bavetta is raising his arm to start to make the foul call BEFORE SHAQ EVEN FINISHES TURNING AROUND FOR THE SHOT. And, again, from the camera you can see the POLLARD never touches him. Not with a body, arm anything. That call was coming no matter what.........

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Look Laker fans, you have won 10 championships in the last 30 years. You average one every 3 years, you are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports but for the love of God I don't understand why you guys defend 2002. All the Kings wanted (and their fans) was an even chance to show that they were the better team, and they didn't get that. And that pisses off some Kings fans to this day. I mean, Laker fans are really the only ones in the country (except the NBA, of course) that claims that 2002 was not fixed.

Anyhoo, Go Giants!!!!



Look....You guys got all the calls in Game 5, (Game 2 was dubious as well) and shot 30 free throws in a Game 7 that went to overtime. Had you hit even 70% of those, you would have won the series. Despite all of the whining over the years, the Kings were never up more than 4-6 points in that 4th quarter of Game 6. Judging by the bricks from the FT line in Game 7, and Doug Christie & Peja tossing up multiple AIRBALLS down the stretch of that game, your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.

But it's a lot easier to act like they were victims than to remember their balls shrinking when it mattered most.

If you really think that the league fixed the series, risking their entire business model, for the sake of the Lakers playing 4 extra games (how big do you think the benefit of those 4 games was, exactly? ), AND you think that they left themselves such a slight margin for error that Game 7 goes to overtime...ummm, okay.

And I couldn't give two s**ts what the general public thinks. The general public is f**king stupid.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night is good with me. I long ago stopped wasting my energy on this debate. You are a Lakers fan and will never remember or see that series with an unbiased mind so I bid you good day sir.

Go Niners.

Really? Cuz I just read 3 bitter paragraphs that contradict this.

Actually 2, the center was an excerpt, hence the italics.
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

That year the Kings were, maybe not the better team per say, but every bit as good. And they had a deciding game taken from them. You all seem to recall a bad call here or there, but that's a tad different than a string of bad calls that changed the outcome of a game that was ready to be put in the books.

I agree that the Kings were every bit as good as the Lakers that year, but how was that game ready to be put in the books? I don't think the Kings had more than a 6 point lead at any point in the second half.

And as has been mentioned before, the Lakers got totally screwed at the end of Game 5, as well as the entirety of that game. Shaq, in his prime, played 32 minutes, shot one free throw, and fouled out.

No one talks or cares about that game because the Lakers won the series.

Since we are going into detail here why don't you rewatch the 2nd half of game 4 when the Kings were blowing the Fakers out and Phil switched Kobe to guard Bibby in the second half and Kobe fouled Bibby SO MANY EFFIN TIMES that even Bill Walton was saying on TV "what is going on, those are fouls, you have to call that". And I love the inbounds play in game 6 where Kobe almost BREAKS BIBBY'S NOSE with an elbow but Bibby gets a foul (In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket) or my favorite one on all. Game 6, Pollard is in the lane stationary with arms straight up (and why this is bad is that the NBA's camera was in perfect position to see this phantom call) Shaq catches the pass and starts to turn around for a short hook shot (about 6-8 feet from the basket) now understand, there is LITERALLY 3 feet between theses two players, there was NO contact between these to on this play. Whistle, foul, but wait, upon replay you can clearly see that Dick Bavetta is raising his arm to start to make the foul call BEFORE SHAQ EVEN FINISHES TURNING AROUND FOR THE SHOT. And, again, from the camera you can see the POLLARD never touches him. Not with a body, arm anything. That call was coming no matter what.........

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Look Laker fans, you have won 10 championships in the last 30 years. You average one every 3 years, you are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports but for the love of God I don't understand why you guys defend 2002. All the Kings wanted (and their fans) was an even chance to show that they were the better team, and they didn't get that. And that pisses off some Kings fans to this day. I mean, Laker fans are really the only ones in the country (except the NBA, of course) that claims that 2002 was not fixed.

Anyhoo, Go Giants!!!!



Look....You guys got all the calls in Game 5, (Game 2 was dubious as well) and shot 30 free throws in a Game 7 that went to overtime. Had you hit even 70% of those, you would have won the series. Despite all of the whining over the years, the Kings were never up more than 4-6 points in that 4th quarter of Game 6. Judging by the bricks from the FT line in Game 7, and Doug Christie & Peja tossing up multiple AIRBALLS down the stretch of that game, your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.

But it's a lot easier to act like they were victims than to remember their balls shrinking when it mattered most.

If you really think that the league fixed the series, risking their entire business model, for the sake of the Lakers playing 4 extra games (how big do you think the benefit of those 4 games was, exactly? ), AND you think that they left themselves such a slight margin for error that Game 7 goes to overtime...ummm, okay.

And I couldn't give two s**ts what the general public thinks. The general public is f**king stupid.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night is good with me. I long ago stopped wasting my energy on this debate. You are a Lakers fan and will never remember or see that series with an unbiased mind so I bid you good day sir.

Go Niners.

This is always the reaction I hear from Kings fans as soon as Game 5 or Game 7 is brought up. It's the usual, "oh, you're just a Laker fan" cop out once you actually have to support your opinion. Furthermore, 82games.com did an extensive analysis of Game 6, and concluded that there a conspiracy was very unlikely. Maybe they're just Laker fans too. Here's an excerpt...

Quote:
Yes at a glance you can see the Lakers got some advantage from the calls down the stretch, but if Bavetta was really trying to rig the game, would he have called a tie up jump ball at the 3:26 mark (and subsequently had a bad toss that gave the ball to the Kings) with the Kings ahead by two when he could have called a foul on Divac? Would he have called the foul on Fisher at 1:27 that helped bring the Kings back within a point with plenty of time left? Would he have called the blocking foul on Fox with 0:20 when an offensive foul would have basically sealed the game? Doubtful.

But again, it's a lot easier to claim that the Illuminati caused your team to lose rather than face the reality that your team wilted under pressure.

Here's my excerpt from that same article....

2) the conclusions of my review can easily be challenged
- my qualifications are suspect: I've never been a basketball ref at any level. I have however watched thousands of NBA games, large parts of them in slow motion, and have a decent sense of the 'standards' applied to the game today.
- For this game I'm working from pretty grainy videotape transferred to DVD, which doesn't always lend clarity to the pulled back TV angles commonly used. Most egregious to this is that at times it was hard to distinguish between two of the refs (Delaney and Bernhardt)


Nice expert bro. I'll stick with the guy that had to by law tell the truth to federal prosecutors.

You mean the same guy that has a history of lying and was trying to sell a book?
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Not this s**t again

This s**t always.

People don't want to believe their team lost because another one was better. It has to be a conspiracy. The fact that Kobe is still winning, and their team fizzled out, should convince Kings fans that there was no conspiracy, but it won't.

That year the Kings were, maybe not the better team per say, but every bit as good. And they had a deciding game taken from them. You all seem to recall a bad call here or there, but that's a tad different than a string of bad calls that changed the outcome of a game that was ready to be put in the books.

I agree that the Kings were every bit as good as the Lakers that year, but how was that game ready to be put in the books? I don't think the Kings had more than a 6 point lead at any point in the second half.

And as has been mentioned before, the Lakers got totally screwed at the end of Game 5, as well as the entirety of that game. Shaq, in his prime, played 32 minutes, shot one free throw, and fouled out.

No one talks or cares about that game because the Lakers won the series.

Since we are going into detail here why don't you rewatch the 2nd half of game 4 when the Kings were blowing the Fakers out and Phil switched Kobe to guard Bibby in the second half and Kobe fouled Bibby SO MANY EFFIN TIMES that even Bill Walton was saying on TV "what is going on, those are fouls, you have to call that". And I love the inbounds play in game 6 where Kobe almost BREAKS BIBBY'S NOSE with an elbow but Bibby gets a foul (In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket) or my favorite one on all. Game 6, Pollard is in the lane stationary with arms straight up (and why this is bad is that the NBA's camera was in perfect position to see this phantom call) Shaq catches the pass and starts to turn around for a short hook shot (about 6-8 feet from the basket) now understand, there is LITERALLY 3 feet between theses two players, there was NO contact between these to on this play. Whistle, foul, but wait, upon replay you can clearly see that Dick Bavetta is raising his arm to start to make the foul call BEFORE SHAQ EVEN FINISHES TURNING AROUND FOR THE SHOT. And, again, from the camera you can see the POLLARD never touches him. Not with a body, arm anything. That call was coming no matter what.........

"Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be 'company men,' always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series."

Look Laker fans, you have won 10 championships in the last 30 years. You average one every 3 years, you are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports but for the love of God I don't understand why you guys defend 2002. All the Kings wanted (and their fans) was an even chance to show that they were the better team, and they didn't get that. And that pisses off some Kings fans to this day. I mean, Laker fans are really the only ones in the country (except the NBA, of course) that claims that 2002 was not fixed.

Anyhoo, Go Giants!!!!



Look....You guys got all the calls in Game 5, (Game 2 was dubious as well) and shot 30 free throws in a Game 7 that went to overtime. Had you hit even 70% of those, you would have won the series. Despite all of the whining over the years, the Kings were never up more than 4-6 points in that 4th quarter of Game 6. Judging by the bricks from the FT line in Game 7, and Doug Christie & Peja tossing up multiple AIRBALLS down the stretch of that game, your boys didn't have the sack to close the Lakers out.

But it's a lot easier to act like they were victims than to remember their balls shrinking when it mattered most.

If you really think that the league fixed the series, risking their entire business model, for the sake of the Lakers playing 4 extra games (how big do you think the benefit of those 4 games was, exactly? ), AND you think that they left themselves such a slight margin for error that Game 7 goes to overtime...ummm, okay.

And I couldn't give two s**ts what the general public thinks. The general public is f**king stupid.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night is good with me. I long ago stopped wasting my energy on this debate. You are a Lakers fan and will never remember or see that series with an unbiased mind so I bid you good day sir.

Go Niners.

This is always the reaction I hear from Kings fans as soon as Game 5 or Game 7 is brought up. It's the usual, "oh, you're just a Laker fan" cop out once you actually have to support your opinion. Furthermore, 82games.com did an extensive analysis of Game 6, and concluded that there a conspiracy was very unlikely. Maybe they're just Laker fans too. Here's an excerpt...

Quote:
Yes at a glance you can see the Lakers got some advantage from the calls down the stretch, but if Bavetta was really trying to rig the game, would he have called a tie up jump ball at the 3:26 mark (and subsequently had a bad toss that gave the ball to the Kings) with the Kings ahead by two when he could have called a foul on Divac? Would he have called the foul on Fisher at 1:27 that helped bring the Kings back within a point with plenty of time left? Would he have called the blocking foul on Fox with 0:20 when an offensive foul would have basically sealed the game? Doubtful.

But again, it's a lot easier to claim that the Illuminati caused your team to lose rather than face the reality that your team wilted under pressure.

Here's my excerpt from that same article....

2) the conclusions of my review can easily be challenged
- my qualifications are suspect: I've never been a basketball ref at any level. I have however watched thousands of NBA games, large parts of them in slow motion, and have a decent sense of the 'standards' applied to the game today.
- For this game I'm working from pretty grainy videotape transferred to DVD, which doesn't always lend clarity to the pulled back TV angles commonly used. Most egregious to this is that at times it was hard to distinguish between two of the refs (Delaney and Bernhardt)


Nice expert bro. I'll stick with the guy that had to by law tell the truth to federal prosecutors.

You mean the same guy that has a history of lying and was trying to sell a book?

Yeah, the one that was an actual NBA ref, who has actual inside knowledge. But for me personally, I didn't wait for Tim to come out, every NBA fan other then the Faker nation thought and knew the same thing after game 6. Even your own LA times articles the next day brought up that something was fishy. Hey, I'm not saying the Kings are better then the Fakers, they have 10 titles in the last 30 year and the Kings have none. Its just that your 2002 one has an * on it. Faker fans make themselves look like flaming homers when they try to argue 2002, its actually funny. Fakers fans are like women, they can't let Facts eff up their argument.
[ Edited by domesik on Nov 4, 2010 at 8:16 AM ]