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Manny vs Mayweather ??

Originally posted by bayarealuv:
Originally posted by kidash:
Mayweather calls Pacquiao out, Arum says silence is golden

L.A. Times

Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been quiet for weeks as Manny Pacquiao prepared for, then delivered, a stirring performance in his 12th-round TKO of Miguel Cotto Saturday night in Las Vegas.

On Monday, Mayweather (40-0) released a statement through his publicist expressing concern that pound-for-pound and world welterweight champion Pacquiao hasn't been more aggressive in pushing for a showdown that could be the most lucrative event in the sport's history.

The release said Mayweather listened to several comments made by Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, and trainer, Freddie Roach, but "still has yet to hear Manny Pacquiao himself say he wants to fight him."

Pacquiao, after the Cotto victory, said he does the fighting and lets Arum select who he'll fight. He has also expressed doubt Mayweather wants to fight him.

"Manny Pacquiao is the fighter and every time someone asks him if he wants to fight me, he says it is up to my promoter ... ," Mayweather said in the statement. "I have yet to hear him actually say, 'Yes, I want to fight Mayweather.' We are the fighters and if one fighter is talking about fighting another fighter, then they should just come out and say it. Manny Pacquiao doesn't say anything directly about fighting me because he might just know it's not a fight he can win."

That qualifies as calling Pacquiao out.

Defensive specialist Mayweather criticized Pacquiao for saying "Money" only cares about cash and not producing entertaining fights.

"Why is he talking about what I won't do instead of what he wants to do?" Mayweather asked in the statement. "Plain and simple, it's because he knows he can't beat me under any circumstances.

"Less than an hour after his fight, ... the talk turns to me. Their whole promotion was just a Mayweather sweepstakes. ... The world is much more intrigued by the thought of someone fighting me who can beat me. ... Manny Pacquiao's people have done a good job of creating an image of him to be this unbelievable fighter and now the so-called guy to beat me. But like all the rest, he's not the one.

"Tell Manny Pacquiao to be his own man and stop letting everyone, including his loudmouth trainer, talk for him. If Manny Pacquiao wants to fight me, all he has to do is step up to the plate and say it himself."

Pacquiao wasn't immediately available Monday.

His promoter Bob Arum declined to discuss the beginning of negotiations, and said he's urging those around his company to keep quiet publicly.

"The one way this will be upset and not happen if it is negotiated through the newspapers," Arum told The Times Monday. "All I want to say is that my guy [Pacquiao] has said, 'We're here, we're ready to fight Mayweather.' "

So there you go.

Arum added he was deluged Monday by more interest from suitors looking to host the fight, including officials from the new New York Giants/Jets stadium, Yankee Stadium, Citi Field in New York, the Dallas Cowboys' stadium, the City of New Orleans, and Las Vegas authorities pitching the construction of a 30,000-seat outdoor facility.

--Lance Pugmire

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really duckweather??? you izzzzz a hater


Floyd's got all the physical tools to beat Pacquiao, he can match speed, has the size and the reach.


.......but lacks the desire.




it would take some unheard of, record breaking contract to get Mayweather to take this fight.
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Floyd's got all the physical tools to beat Pacquiao, he can match speed, has the size and the reach.


.......but lacks the desire.




it would take some unheard of, record breaking contract to get Mayweather to take this fight.

Both guys would be idiots to not settle for 50/50 if it meant not fighting at all. But, both camps will be stubborn.

DLH/Floyd did 2.4 million buys. Let's just say it hits 2.5 and breaks that mark. We're talking about a $140 million PPV purse. Not to mention ticket sales and promotional money/endorsements. Now up the ante and imagine if they really do the fight at Dallas Stadium/Yankee stadium, etc. They'd be upping the capacity of the fight 3-5x than normal.

BOOKOO loot for this fight.
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Floyd's got all the physical tools to beat Pacquiao, he can match speed, has the size and the reach.


.......but lacks the desire.




it would take some unheard of, record breaking contract to get Mayweather to take this fight.

Both guys would be idiots to not settle for 50/50 if it meant not fighting at all. But, both camps will be stubborn.

DLH/Floyd did 2.4 million buys. Let's just say it hits 2.5 and breaks that mark. We're talking about a $140 million PPV purse. Not to mention ticket sales and promotional money/endorsements. Now up the ante and imagine if they really do the fight at Dallas Stadium/Yankee stadium, etc. They'd be upping the capacity of the fight 3-5x than normal.

BOOKOO loot for this fight.

yup they would be.

but in my eyes, Floyds gonna look for anything to get this thing delayed..... or not even happen. i don't think he'll take equal money with Pac. jmho.
It'll happen... it's just gonna take a loooooooooong time.
actually i want Mosley to fight Mayweather first before he gets too old......
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
It'll happen... it's just gonna take a loooooooooong time.

That's why I brought up what you called "nonsense". Because it's that "nonsense" which is the biggest obstacle in making this fight. Both guys are going to plead their case as to why they should get the lion's share of the money.
Mayweather "I Deserve the Bigger Piece of the Pie"

" "I deserve the bigger piece of the pie. I've done more, I've been around the sport longer and I've been dominating longer. And nobody has beaten me yet. Like I said before, they trying to build a fighter to beat me. They built Ricky Hatton up, undefeated; it didn't happen. They constantly build these fighters up. It's not going to happen. When God wants me to lose, that's when I'll lose," stated undefeated multi-division champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. as he talked more about a potential clash with Manny Pacquiao. Although negotiations for the showdown have yet to officially get off the ground, Mayweather is already doing his part to state his case for the lion's share of the purse. "
Don't forget the fact that Pacquiao HAS A LOT MORE viable options for fights on his plate than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Pacman more than Pacman needs Mayweather. Believe that.
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
It'll happen... it's just gonna take a loooooooooong time.

That's why I brought up what you called "nonsense". Because it's that "nonsense" which is the biggest obstacle in making this fight. Both guys are going to plead their case as to why they should get the lion's share of the money.
Mayweather "I Deserve the Bigger Piece of the Pie"

" "I deserve the bigger piece of the pie. I've done more, I've been around the sport longer and I've been dominating longer. And nobody has beaten me yet. Like I said before, they trying to build a fighter to beat me. They built Ricky Hatton up, undefeated; it didn't happen. They constantly build these fighters up. It's not going to happen. When God wants me to lose, that's when I'll lose," stated undefeated multi-division champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. as he talked more about a potential clash with Manny Pacquiao. Although negotiations for the showdown have yet to officially get off the ground, Mayweather is already doing his part to state his case for the lion's share of the purse. "

The truth of the matter is that they both want the lions share of the purse. It's not a one-sided negotiation like you make it seem. Money May just happens to be the more outspoken of the two.


I just don't see it as a big deal, a fight of this caliber, with the parties involved, it's not gonna just get settled over night. They'll both cave eventually and it will probably be very close to a 50-50 purse. But of course, since Arum takes like 27% of Manny's purse, that old fart is gonna look to get his too.
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Don't forget the fact that Pacquiao HAS A LOT MORE viable options for fights on his plate than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Pacman more than Pacman needs Mayweather. Believe that.

There's really only two huge fights for either fighter. That's each other and Mosley. (Assuming Mosley takes care of Berto on Jan. 30, which I think he will)
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Don't forget the fact that Pacquiao HAS A LOT MORE viable options for fights on his plate than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Pacman more than Pacman needs Mayweather. Believe that.

There's really only two huge fights for either fighter. That's each other and Mosley. (Assuming Mosley takes care of Berto on Jan. 30, which I think he will)

You forget Pac has another out....a 3rd and final installment with Marquez, most likely at junior welter.

I wonder if a 40/40 20 to the winner...or 45/45 10 to the winner purse is possible.
[ Edited by phiLthyphiL on Nov 18, 2009 at 12:22 AM ]
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
It'll happen... it's just gonna take a loooooooooong time.

That's why I brought up what you called "nonsense". Because it's that "nonsense" which is the biggest obstacle in making this fight. Both guys are going to plead their case as to why they should get the lion's share of the money.
Mayweather "I Deserve the Bigger Piece of the Pie"

" "I deserve the bigger piece of the pie. I've done more, I've been around the sport longer and I've been dominating longer. And nobody has beaten me yet. Like I said before, they trying to build a fighter to beat me. They built Ricky Hatton up, undefeated; it didn't happen. They constantly build these fighters up. It's not going to happen. When God wants me to lose, that's when I'll lose," stated undefeated multi-division champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. as he talked more about a potential clash with Manny Pacquiao. Although negotiations for the showdown have yet to officially get off the ground, Mayweather is already doing his part to state his case for the lion's share of the purse. "

wow..........

did he really just say that Roach wants this fight so that he can "cash out" before he dies??????

that has to be one of the most classless things i've ever heard. i have no idea why people keep trying to back this guy up.

if he wasn't my most hated athlete before, after reading that he definitely is now.
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Don't forget the fact that Pacquiao HAS A LOT MORE viable options for fights on his plate than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Pacman more than Pacman needs Mayweather. Believe that.

There's really only two huge fights for either fighter. That's each other and Mosley. (Assuming Mosley takes care of Berto on Jan. 30, which I think he will)

You forget Pac has another out....a 3rd and final installment with Marquez, most likely at junior welter

True... although I think Marquez doesn't stand a chance at jr. welter or over, wish it would happen at 135 just so there's a possibility of it being a classic.


Marquez is currently in negotiations with Hatton for a fight to go down in Merry ole' England btw.

It's supposed to go down in June.


I see Marquez winning it. Say what u want about how he looked against Mayweather, Mayweather's a different beast and has that reach advantage. Hatton is not 1 bit the defensive master Mayweather is, and Marquez and Hatton are similarly sized.
[ Edited by silkyjohnson on Nov 18, 2009 at 12:28 AM ]
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Don't forget the fact that Pacquiao HAS A LOT MORE viable options for fights on his plate than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Pacman more than Pacman needs Mayweather. Believe that.

There's really only two huge fights for either fighter. That's each other and Mosley. (Assuming Mosley takes care of Berto on Jan. 30, which I think he will)

You forget Pac has another out....a 3rd and final installment with Marquez, most likely at junior welter.

I wonder if a 40/40 20 to the winner...or 45/45 10 to the winner purse is possible.

this is fair.. although i don't see duckweather agreeing to it.. he's too stubborn
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:
Don't forget the fact that Pacquiao HAS A LOT MORE viable options for fights on his plate than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Pacman more than Pacman needs Mayweather. Believe that.

There's really only two huge fights for either fighter. That's each other and Mosley. (Assuming Mosley takes care of Berto on Jan. 30, which I think he will)

You forget Pac has another out....a 3rd and final installment with Marquez, most likely at junior welter

True... although I think Marquez doesn't stand a chance at jr. welter or over, wish it would happen at 135 just so there's a possibility of it being a classic.


Marquez is currently in negotiations with Hatton for a fight to go down in Merry ole' England btw.

It's supposed to go down in June.


I see Marquez winning it. Say what u want about how he looked against Mayweather, Mayweather's a different beast and has that reach advantage. Hatton is not 1 bit the defensive master Mayweather is, and Marquez and Hatton are similarly sized.

That's why I strongly disagree with Pac opening as Vegas' favorite. He faces a considerable reach disadvantage and is facing the naturally bigger and *gasp* if I say it, faster more talented fighter.

I can see Manny putting Mayweather against the ropes, full shoulder roll in effect, Manny reaching with the straight left, overshooting his target, and Mayweather coming in with the repeated short right with his reach advantage before ducking away. Really hope Freddy drills and kills those tapes. He's going to need a team studying them.
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