2017 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
My pleasure. Now you're armed for FA with your "free agency big board."

I have a feeling you've got a FA plan.

Wish I knew how Shanahan and Lynch view our current roster but...I have no idea! If they like Staley, Tomlinson, Kilgore, Garnett and Brown they may not go after a high end FA for OL. But I have to believe they would like to grab a top center. With a stout center, who could stay healthy, the guards would look much better.

Edit: will be coming up with my list soon! Maybe after they sign FAs! LOL!

Needs:

C: This is where I would use some cap space and sign a FA--Jensen (young and top talent). I might also draft a guy who played both center and guard. Ragnow (late 1st/early 2nd is not likely), Bozeman and Daniels are likely 2nd and could be targeted.

WR: This is a need but they have Garcon and Goodman so the draft is more likely. Sutton or Washington (1st), Tate and Burnett (late 2nd) and a number of guys in later rounds are all possibles.

Edge: Aldon Smith and Ahmad Brooks are both available... Not many available in the draft but if Chub drops to #9? Davenport? Maybe.

LB: Don't see any upgrades that are likely to be signed so...2nd or 3rd round picks? If R Smith drops to #9 I would jump on him. A bit under weight but such an elite player!

DB: No CBs jump out at me in FAcy nor at Safety. I see them picking up a couple of DBs in the draft. Don't see a high draft pick with the exception of a top CB if they see a lockdown guy. I don't see it.

Here is IdahoNiner's off season plan:

This is my list of FA i want to sign this off-season, and i don't think its too unreasonable to ask for, some may or not be available, but if they are, we could afford all of them no problem and still have cap space to spare for the draft class and to carry over into next season and the future for our own upcoming player extensions. In no particular order (except #1)-

1. QB Jimmy G
2. C. Ryan Jensen
3. LEO Ezekial Ansah
4. CB Kyle Fuller
5. WR Donte Moncreif
6. RB Frank Gore 1 year
7. LB Nigel Bradham

In the draft take Derwin James in the first, and best available G in the second.

That leaves RB as our biggest unknown. We have Breida and Williams battle it out for #1 duty, take a midround RB in this deep draft, and then have the savvy and cheap vet frank gore for insurance.

Next season we draft the best available Tackle in the first round to eventually replace Staley.

My take — go young, go line. A WR maybe. CB is such a scheme fit evaluation, yet high priced FA, hit and miss.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Needs:

C: This is where I would use some cap space and sign a FA--Jensen (young and top talent). I might also draft a guy who played both center and guard. Ragnow (late 1st/early 2nd is not likely), Bozeman and Daniels are likely 2nd and could be targeted.

WR: This is a need but they have Garcon and Goodman so the draft is more likely. Sutton or Washington (1st), Tate and Burnett (late 2nd) and a number of guys in later rounds are all possibles.

Edge: Aldon Smith and Ahmad Brooks are both available... Not many available in the draft but if Chub drops to #9? Davenport? Maybe.

LB: Don't see any upgrades that are likely to be signed so...2nd or 3rd round picks? If R Smith drops to #9 I would jump on him. A bit under weight but such an elite player!

DB: No CBs jump out at me in FAcy nor at Safety. I see them picking up a couple of DBs in the draft. Don't see a high draft pick with the exception of a top CB if they see a lockdown guy. I don't see it.

I knew you had a plan.

OL is where I spend big. Go all in on Jensen and Norwell. It takes too damn long to develop OL these days. Buy 'em and in a deep C and G draft, draft at least one for insurance.

Yeah, it's 50/50 for me on WR in FA and the draft. If you can buy one like Allen or Moncrief, great...if not, grab that big body in the draft. Consider stealing Paul Richardson for added speed and insurance for Goodwin and also because he's a premier returner.

Edge is a tough one...no locks in FA or the draft. But there might be some hidden gems in that FA group.

I found a few SAM's but the draft seems likely on this one as well esp. If he can provide an actual edge rush.

I actually see a ton of CB's in this FA market! In fact, 11 of them!

Buy big in OL and CB and look for hidden gems at WR and ER/SAM and supplement in the draft. Resign or extend a number of our own.

I can't wait to see the actual FO plan!

Looking at the draft I believe OL is the most important area to attack in free agency. There are some really good players for other positions, fewer for OL. Jensen (or another C would be my focus. WR, OT, OLB, CB would be my next spots.

OFFENSE--Depth Chart
LT……..LG……….C…….RG….RT
Staley-Garnett-Jensen-Fusco-Brown (starters)
WilliamsJr-Rookie3-Kilgore-Kilgore-Rookie3
Tomlinson, Magnuson, Flynn and Gilliam fight for spots.
WR……RB …QB…TE…WR…….. (FB)
Garcon-Hyde-JG-Kittle-Goodwin-(Juszczyk)
Rookie3-Breida-Beathards-Celek-Taylor(PR)
Williams, Mostert, Bolden, Paulsen, Murphy, Robinson, Bourne fight for spots.

DEFENSE—Depth Chart
DL
Armstead-Mitchell-Thomas-Buckner
Carradine-DJ Jones-Day-Blair
Marsh, Douzable, C Jones fight for spots.
LB
Rookie1-Foster-M Smith
Watson-Lee-Coyle
Harold, Nzeocha, Taumoepenu fight for spots.
DB
Witherspoon-Colbert-Ward-Johnson(?)
Williams-Tartt-Reid-Rookie2
Mabin, Hall, McCoil, Jackson, Jones fight for spots.

DRAFT
Rd. 1 LB R Smith, Georgia, 6'1" 225
Rd.2 CB H Hill, Texas, 6'3" 205
Rd.3 OL B Price, Ohio St., 6'4" 312
Rd.3 OT D Risner, K St., 6'5" 300
Rd.4-7 BPA

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Looking at the draft I believe OL is the most important area to attack in free agency. There are some really good players for other positions, fewer for OL. Jensen (or another C would be my focus. WR, OT, OLB, CB would be my next spots.

OFFENSE--Depth Chart
LT……..LG……….C…….RG….RT
Staley-Garnett-Jensen-Fusco-Brown (starters)
WilliamsJr-Rookie3-Kilgore-Kilgore-Rookie3
Tomlinson, Magnuson, Flynn and Gilliam fight for spots.
WR……RB …QB…TE…WR…….. (FB)
Garcon-Hyde-JG-Kittle-Goodwin-(Juszczyk)
Rookie3-Breida-Beathards-Celek-Taylor(PR)
Williams, Mostert, Bolden, Paulsen, Murphy, Robinson, Bourne fight for spots.

DEFENSE—Depth Chart
DL
Armstead-Mitchell-Thomas-Buckner
Carradine-DJ Jones-Day-Blair
Marsh, Douzable, C Jones fight for spots.
LB
Rookie1-Foster-M Smith
Watson-Lee-Coyle
Harold, Nzeocha, Taumoepenu fight for spots.
DB
Witherspoon-Colbert-Ward-Johnson(?)
Williams-Tartt-Reid-Rookie2
Mabin, Hall, McCoil, Jackson, Jones fight for spots.

DRAFT
Rd. 1 LB R Smith, Georgia, 6'1" 225
Rd.2 CB H Hill, Texas, 6'3" 205
Rd.3 OL B Price, Ohio St., 6'4" 312
Rd.3 OT D Risner, K St., 6'5" 300
Rd.4-7 BPA

I guess we'll suck at rushing the QB again?

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
I guess we'll suck at rushing the QB again?

Not many pass rushers in the draft and I'm not convinced they will find one in free agency. May have to wait a year or hope a guy drops to them and develops quickly. Chubb is considered the top pass rush DE and I don't see him starting next year. If they can attract Ansah great.

Edit: if they could pair Foster and R Smith at LB they would add pressure as pass rushers. Both are all around great athletes with quickness and intelligence.

Not bad dtg, I love Roquan Smith, but I do think they like Malcolm Smith at the WILL, they may look at Chubb, Key, Landry or Edmunds. Also one observation, Risner didn't declare, he was just a Junior I believe.

My personal favs list for players to target.

Legit options only, so no Le'Veon Bell.

RB:

Isaiah Crowell, CLE
Carlos Hyde, SF

WR:

Sammy Watkins, LAR
Allen Robinson, JAX
Albert Wilson, KC
Taylor Gabriel, ATL
Dontrelle Inman, CHI

TE:

Tyler Eifert, CIN

C:

Ryan Jensen, BAL
Weston Richburg, NYG

OG:

Justin Pugh, NYG
Joe Berger, MIN

DE:

Ezekiel Ansah, DET
Adrian Clayborn, ATL
Tank Carradine, SF
Alex Okafor, NO
Cassius Marsh, SF
Demarcus Lawrence, DAL

DT:

Leger Douzable, SF

LB:

Connor Barwin, LAR
Nigel Bradham, PHI
Brock Coyle, SF
Jeremiah Attaochu, LAC

CB:

Trumaine Johnson, LAR
Morris Claiborne, NYJ
Malcolm Butler, NE
Kyle Fuller, CHI
Davon House, GB
Prince Amukamara, CHI

S:

Eric Reid, SF
Antone Exum, SF

Draft Fits IMO:

QB: (Too Develop)

Kurt Benkert, UVA
Kyle Lauletta, Richmond
Luis Perez, Texas A&M-Commerce
Chase Litton, Marshall
Brandon Silver, Troy

RB:

Saquon Barkley, Penn State
Derrius Guice, LSU
Ronald Jones II, USC
Akrum Wadley, Iowa
Sony Michel, Georgia
Rashaad Penny, SDSU
Josh Adams, Notre Dame
Ito Smith, Southern Miss
Chase Edmonds, Fordham
Kalen Ballge, ASU
Mark Walton, Miami

WR:

Calvin Ridley, Alabama
Equanimeous St. Brown, Notre Dame
Courtland Sutton, SMU
James Washington, Ok State
Deon Cain, Clemson
Dante Pettis, Washington
Auden Tate, FSU
Jaleel Scott, New Mexico State
Allen Lazard, ISU
Jordan Lasley, UCLA
Simmie Cobbs, Indiana
Marcell Ateman, Ok State
Deontay Burnett, USC
Jake Wieneke, South Dakota State
TreQuan Smith, UCF

TE:

Mike Gesicki, PSU
Troy Fumagalli, WISC
Adam Breneman, UMASS
Ryan Izzo, FSU
Dalton Schultz, STAN
Cam Serigne, Wake Forest
Jordan Akins, UCF

C:

Billy Price, OSU
James Daniels, Iowa
Frank Ragnow, Arkansas

OG:

Quenton Nelson, UND
Isaiah Wynn, Georgia
Will Hernandez, UTEP
Taylor Hearn, Clemson
Wyatt Teller, Va Tech
Sam Jones, ASU

OT:

Connor Williams, Texas
Mike McGlinchey, UND
Chukwuma Okorafor, WMU
Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
Brandon Parker, N.C. A&T
Braden Smith, Auburn
Jamarco Jones, OSU
Timon Parris, Stony Brook
Alex Cappa, Humboldt State

DE: (LEO, SAM, EDGE)

Arden Key, LSU
Harold Landry, BC
Bradley Chubb, NC State
Marcus Davenport, UTSA
Hercules Mata'afa, WSU
Sam Hubbard, OSU
Duke Ejiofor, Wake Forest
Tyquan Lewis, OSU
JoJo Wicker, ASU
JaVon Rolland-Jones, Ark State
Marcus Martin, Slippery Rock
Jalyn Holmes, OSU
Ebenezer Ogundeko, Tenn Stare
Joe Ostman, CMU
Justin Lawler, SMU
Chad Thomas, MIami

DT: (4-3 DT, NT, and Big End)

Andrew Brown, UVA
Taven Bryan, FLA
Harrison Phillips, STAN
RJ McIntosh, Miami
Nathan Shepherd, Fort Hays State
Kendrick Norton, Miami
Rasheem Green, USC
Steven Richardson, Minnesota
James Looney, Cal
Kahlil McKenzie, TENN
PJ Hall, Sam Houston State
Justin Jones, NC State
Kentavius Street, NC State
BJ Hill, NC State
DaShawn Hand, Alabama

OLB: (Mainly SAM LBs)

Tremaine Edmunds, Va Tech
Josh Sweat, FSU
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma
Jerome Baker, OSU
Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State
Marquis Haynes, Ole Miss
Jeff Holland, Auburn
Uchenna Nwosu, USC
Lorenzo Carter, UGA
James Hearns, Louisville

ILB: (MIKE/WILL)

Roquan Smith, UGA
Rashaan Evans, Alabama
Malik Jefferson, Texas
Josey Jewell, Iowa
Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
Micah KIser, UVA
Andre Smith, UNC
Jason Cabinda, PSU
Chris Worley, OSU
Nick DeLuca, North Dakota State
Carter Henderson, Duquesne

CB:

Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
Tarvarus McFadden, FSU
Joshua Jackson, Iowa
Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
Carlton Davis, Auburn
Donte Jackson, LSU
Denzel Ward, OSU
Jaire Alexander, Louisville
Mike Hughes, UCF
Anthony Averett, Alabama
Kevin Toliver II, LSU
Jordan Thomas, Oklahoma
Duke Dawson, FLA
Michael Joseph, Dubuque
Taron Johnson, Weber State
Danny Johnson, Southern
Deion Harris, North Dakota
Rashard Fant, Indiana
Heath Harding, MIami(OH)
MJ Stewart, UNC
Greg Stroman, VA Tech
Holton Hill, Texas
JC Jackson, MD
Siran Neal, Jacksonville State

S:

Terrell Edmunds, Va Tech
Marcus Allen, PSU
Quin Blanding, UVA
Damon Webb, OSU
Jordan Whitehead, Pitt
Jessie Bates, Wake Forest
Kyzir White, WVU
Jeremy Reaves, South Alabama
Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern
Van Smith, Clemson
Donnie MIles, UNC
Jamar Summers, UCONN
Sean Chandler, Temple

Of course, we can't get most of the top names, but these are guys I like a lot.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Not bad dtg, I love Roquan Smith, but I do think they like Malcolm Smith at the WILL, they may look at Chubb, Key, Landry or Edmunds. Also one observation, Risner didn't declare, he was just a Junior I believe.

Thanks AB! Risner was on CBS' board...didn't realize he didn't declare.

Edit: I believe Malcolm Smith, R Smith and Foster (all around the same size) would be a nice set of speedy, hard hitting LBs, interchangeable...hard for an offense to read.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

My personal favs list for players to target.

Legit options only, so no Le'Veon Bell.

AB, you even added a few I excluded...I'll have to look into them. I tried to stay in the 25-28 year old range so these FA's can grow with our young core but recognize we could use a few older veterans playing at a high level that could help on the field and in helping to develop younger players behind them.

Dontrelle Inman, CHI
Joe Berger, MIN
Connor Barwin, LAR
Jeremiah Attaochu, LAC
Davon House, GB

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
My personal favs list for players to target.

Legit options only, so no Le'Veon Bell.

AB, you even added a few I excluded...I'll have to look into them. I tried to stay in the 25-28 year old range so these FA's can grow with our young core but recognize we could use a few older veterans playing at a high level that could help on the field and in helping to develop younger players behind them.

Dontrelle Inman, CHI
Joe Berger, MIN
Connor Barwin, LAR
Jeremiah Attaochu, LAC
Davon House, GB

Yeah, I'd like to stay young, but also have some good vets, Dumervil was a great pickup by Lynch.

Inman, Attaochu and House are still young-ish, but Berger and Barwin are older(not like Dumervil) I know I missed some, I went by OTCs FA list.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Not bad dtg, I love Roquan Smith, but I do think they like Malcolm Smith at the WILL, they may look at Chubb, Key, Landry or Edmunds. Also one observation, Risner didn't declare, he was just a Junior I believe.

Thanks AB! Risner was on CBS' board...didn't realize he didn't declare.

Edit: I believe Malcolm Smith, R Smith and Foster (all around the same size) would be a nice set of speedy, hard hitting LBs, interchangeable...hard for an offense to read.

I personally want Roquan Smith badly, I have him as my 4th best player. Luckily with so many teams in top 10 needing QBs, we could see him fall to 9 or 10.

I think I said this in another thread, or maybe in here, but I have 11 guys I love as all-pro/pro bowl guys, obviously Rosen and Josh Allen aren't needed, but then then the other 9, Fitzpatrick, James, Barkley, Nelson, Key, Landry, Chubb, Smith, and Edmunds could fill needs, James likely not, as we seem set at S. Any of the other 8, I'd be happy with, and by the numbers, 1 of them should be there when we go on the clock.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

My personal favs list for players to target.

Legit options only, so no Le'Veon Bell.

AB, you even added a few I excluded...I'll have to look into them. I tried to stay in the 25-28 year old range so these FA's can grow with our young core but recognize we could use a few older veterans playing at a high level that could help on the field and in helping to develop younger players behind them.

Dontrelle Inman, CHI
Joe Berger, MIN
Connor Barwin, LAR
Jeremiah Attaochu, LAC
Davon House, GB

Yeah, I'd like to stay young, but also have some good vets, Dumervil was a great pickup by Lynch.

Inman, Attaochu and House are still young-ish, but Berger and Barwin are older(not like Dumervil) I know I missed some, I went by OTCs FA list.

Well done and I agree, you need a few of those older players too.