Originally posted by Jikkle49:
If Revis walks the Jets get a 3rd round comp pick so they aren't going to trade him for a mid round pick. Any team that trades for him at bare minimum the conversation would start at a 2nd.
The Jets having him on the roster does create some distractions with the media but if you're the Jets you know Revis can't hold out and has to play his best football so unless your getting at least a 2nd and some change you're better off just keeping him and having him help your team.
Ultimately I think the Jets wind up having to keep him and wait till the trading deadline where he can prove he's healthy and can play at a high level and you might get a contender that gets hit with the injury bug and needs a CB like Revis even if it's a rental. Like us for example in that we might be more inclined to swing a deal if say Justin Smith went down or a couple of CBs were out for an extended amount of time.
Agreed. Earlier in the thread I did mention that it made no sense for the Jets to trade him for a mid round pick for the reason you stated. He can walk after 13-14 and they'd still get a comp pick. So the question becomes does Baalke trade a 3rd for him. I hope not. Not because I don't think he is worth it, even for one year, but because no one is sure what kind of Revis you are getting. How much will his knee injury affect him?
The scenario you put forth is realistic. Teams need to know what they are getting if they commit a 2nd rounder to acquire him.
Originally posted by thl408:
Article does a good job explaining why the Jets have little leverage in trade talks. If Baalke is treating this as a 1 year rental, then there is no way that giving up a mid-round pick will destroy the franchise. (My hope is that Baalke does not give up more than a mid-round pick).
If Revis walks the Jets get a 3rd round comp pick so they aren't going to trade him for a mid round pick. Any team that trades for him at bare minimum the conversation would start at a 2nd.
The Jets having him on the roster does create some distractions with the media but if you're the Jets you know Revis can't hold out and has to play his best football so unless your getting at least a 2nd and some change you're better off just keeping him and having him help your team.
Ultimately I think the Jets wind up having to keep him and wait till the trading deadline where he can prove he's healthy and can play at a high level and you might get a contender that gets hit with the injury bug and needs a CB like Revis even if it's a rental. Like us for example in that we might be more inclined to swing a deal if say Justin Smith went down or a couple of CBs were out for an extended amount of time.
Very few big names get traded mid-season in football, especially one with as many extenuating circumstances as Revis, so that's not likely. But I agree that the most likely scenario is that he stays in NY this year. If he regains his form, the Jets can franchise/trade him for much more than they would get now, re-sign him to a big contract or let him walk for a 3rd round comp pick in 2015. If he doesn't regain his form, they let him walk while only paying $6M for this year.
So the Jets have very little leverage in this situation, but Revis has even less. The only REAL card he has to play is to regain his form...that's pretty much it.
Originally posted by thl408:
Article does a good job explaining why the Jets have little leverage in trade talks. If Baalke is treating this as a 1 year rental, then there is no way that giving up a mid-round pick will destroy the franchise. (My hope is that Baalke does not give up more than a mid-round pick).
If Revis walks the Jets get a 3rd round comp pick so they aren't going to trade him for a mid round pick. Any team that trades for him at bare minimum the conversation would start at a 2nd.
The Jets having him on the roster does create some distractions with the media but if you're the Jets you know Revis can't hold out and has to play his best football so unless your getting at least a 2nd and some change you're better off just keeping him and having him help your team.
Ultimately I think the Jets wind up having to keep him and wait till the trading deadline where he can prove he's healthy and can play at a high level and you might get a contender that gets hit with the injury bug and needs a CB like Revis even if it's a rental. Like us for example in that we might be more inclined to swing a deal if say Justin Smith went down or a couple of CBs were out for an extended amount of time.
Very few big names get traded mid-season in football, especially one with as many extenuating circumstances as Revis, so that's not likely. But I agree that the most likely scenario is that he stays in NY this year. If he regains his form, the Jets can franchise/trade him for much more than they would get now, re-sign him to a big contract or let him walk for a 3rd round comp pick in 2015. If he doesn't regain his form, they let him walk while only paying $6M for this year.
So the Jets have very little leverage in this situation, but Revis has even less. The only REAL card he has to play is to regain his form...that's pretty much it.
Wouldnt be worth it for the Jets to franchise him. They'd be in the bag for 9+ mil and they'd be stuck with a disgruntled employee. This is probably why they're shopping him in the first place. He's not worth anything more than one more year, and even with that they're paying 6 mil for a guy returning from an ACL injury. All this on a roster that is pretty much in rebuild mode.
Im going opposite. I think the Jets are VERY likely to deal him for the highest bidder, and I think the Niners are going to be a frontrunner in all this. For one, it was a Jets source that brought up the Niners as a trade partner in the first place, and two Im judging by JH's "killer instinct" mentality over the past 2 seasons (flying out to watch Manning / benching a hot Alex for Kaep).
Originally posted by Jikkle49: If Revis walks the Jets get a 3rd round comp pick so they aren't going to trade him for a mid round pick. Any team that trades for him at bare minimum the conversation would start at a 2nd.
The Jets having him on the roster does create some distractions with the media but if you're the Jets you know Revis can't hold out and has to play his best football so unless your getting at least a 2nd and some change you're better off just keeping him and having him help your team.
Ultimately I think the Jets wind up having to keep him and wait till the trading deadline where he can prove he's healthy and can play at a high level and you might get a contender that gets hit with the injury bug and needs a CB like Revis even if it's a rental. Like us for example in that we might be more inclined to swing a deal if say Justin Smith went down or a couple of CBs were out for an extended amount of time.
While it is a 3rd round compensatory selection, (and that's if they don't sign a big name next offseason) it's after all other teams have chosen in that round. So really calling their compensatory selection a 3rd rounder is a little misleading. Furthermore the current value of a future pick is about a round difference. So since they wouldn't be compensated until the draft following the offseason they let him walk (three drafts from now) it's essentially worth a 5th rounder in current value (and that's being generous). I'd say starting at a 3rd rounder is viable and really, in a FA market that's flooded with CBs, while dangling a player that wants to get paid higher than any defender in NFL history, while coming off a serious knee injury, they don't have an ounce of leverage.
