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49ers interested in trading for Revis (link provided)

Originally posted by DVDA:
Either your reading skills are lacking or you're too busy ignoring the rest of the post because you only see what you want to see. When he leaves the 49ers after one year the 49ers get a comp. pick for him. That means they would get the best corner in football in a contract year and they get a pick in the next draft. To simplify this for you:

49ers get:
Revis
2014 comp pick in 2nd or 3rd round

49ers lose:
2013 2nd or 3rd round pick
2013 late round picks

Now does this make sense to you?

My reading skills are just fine, your comprehension of how compensatory picks work apparently isn't though. There's no such thing as a 2nd round compensatory pick. Best you can do is a late 3rd rounder, and there's absolutely zero guarantee that you get a compensatory pick since it can be affected by signings of additional free agents....etc, there's also only a limited amount of compensatory picks awarded each year.


So no, if the 49ers give up a 2nd rounder in 2013, so they can have him come in, be largely unproductive while still recovering from his injury, and then see him walk, only to hopefully receive a late 3rd rounder in 2015...to me that was an absolute waste of a good pick.


Also this talk about "the best cornerback in football" is highly presumptive. There's zero guarantee he's the same player he was after tearing his ACL. A RB can get by after a torn ACl far more easier than a cornerback who has to rely on their lateral movement a lot, doesn't know where they are going as they are shadowing the receiver, depends heavily on their ability to change direction on a dime, he could come to the 49ers and be an absolute bust for a whole season and then leave.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 6, 2013 at 7:45 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
My reading skills are just fine, your comprehension of how compensatory picks work apparently isn't though. There's no such thing as a 2nd round compensatory pick. Best you can do is a late 3rd rounder, and there's absolutely zero guarantee that you get a compensatory pick since it can be affected by signings of additional free agents....etc, there's also only a limited amount of compensatory picks awarded each year.


So no, if the 49ers give up a 2nd rounder in 2013, so they can have him come in, be largely unproductive while still recovering from his injury, and then see him walk, only to hopefully receive a late 3rd rounder in 2015...to me that was an absolute waste of a good pick.


Also this talk about "the best cornerback in football" is highly presumptive. There's zero guarantee he's the same player he was after tearing his ACL. A RB can get by after a torn ACl far more easier than a cornerback who has to rely on their lateral movement a lot, doesn't know where they are going as they are shadowing the receiver, depends heavily on their ability to change direction on a dime, he could come to the 49ers and be an absolute bust for a whole season and then leave.
i understand how the comp picks work.the niners avoid making signings that cancel out comp picks. also, revis will get a contract that pretty much puts him in 3rd round territory, and if he doesn't i would suspect the niners will resign him.

what if revis comes in at 2009-2010 form? that is a steal for a 2nd and $6mil with the chance of a 3rd comp pick. and the ACL thing does not worry me long term anymore, at all. even if he struggles early on and is on IR, only to come in week 8 pretty healthy and get solid in time for the playoffs.




here is my question if the niners give up their 2nd this year and get a 2015 3rd round pick with revis playing at an all pro level weeks 13-22, would you take that?

how about if the niners this year trade up into the 2nd and 3rd round. and have 2(2nds), 3 (3rds), 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th? and pick up a 1st next year?
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
i understand how the comp picks work.the niners avoid making signings that cancel out comp picks. also, revis will get a contract that pretty much puts him in 3rd round territory, and if he doesn't i would suspect the niners will resign him.

what if revis comes in at 2009-2010 form? that is a steal for a 2nd and $6mil with the chance of a 3rd comp pick. and the ACL thing does not worry me long term anymore, at all. even if he struggles early on and is on IR, only to come in week 8 pretty healthy and get solid in time for the playoffs.




here is my question if the niners give up their 2nd this year and get a 2015 3rd round pick with revis playing at an all pro level weeks 13-22, would you take that?

how about if the niners this year trade up into the 2nd and 3rd round. and have 2(2nds), 3 (3rds), 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th? and pick up a 1st next year?

You can't just discard the guy coming off an injury. As much as you claim that he'll be prime 2009 Revis...4 years later, after a torn ACL, I counter with, what happens if he's unproductive, struggles, now you're paying him a bunch of money, you gave up a pretty good draft pick that could have turned out to be a starter for someone else...and you're really no further along in the CB regard than you were last season.
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I'd rather use the money that Revis would get and the draft pick(s) on...

Resigning- Goldson, Walker and RJF
Throw in a free agent WR like L.Murphy

and grab a CB early, like J.Banks
Do not want...
Originally posted by DVDA:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by DVDA:
He's worth a one year rental if the price is right. The 49ers wouldn't lose much by trading their original 2nd or one of the 3rds and some late round scraps for him. After the one year rental, Revis signs a huge deal with someone else and the 49ers get a 2nd or 3rd round comp. pick. This is the only way I see Baalke trading for him. The 49ers are smart enough to avoid paying a defensive player 16 million per year, so there is no way they trade for him as a long term solution.
Give up a 2nd rounder for a one-year rental in a draft where most of the talent is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds? Basically they could be foregoing a potential long-term starter at CB, NT, WR or another position for a guy coming off a major injury, one that is potentially more severe for a cornerback, with no guarantee of him performing at a high level, only to see him walk off into the sunset at the end of the season. It'd be one thing if he was not coming off the ACL tear and had just played well, but you're taking a huge risk, even if he passes all medical tests, there's a risk that he simply doesn't perform as might be expected.


Screw that.

Either your reading skills are lacking or you're too busy ignoring the rest of the post because you only see what you want to see. When he leaves the 49ers after one year the 49ers get a comp. pick for him. That means they would get the best corner in football in a contract year and they get a pick in the next draft. To simplify this for you:

49ers get:
Revis
2014 comp pick in 2nd or 3rd round

49ers lose:
2013 2nd or 3rd round pick
2013 late round picks

Now does this make sense to you?

Well, you got pwned on this post. And just to finish it off, it is unnecessarily aggressive and inflammatory. Nothing in the previous post justified this overreaction. Take note.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You can't just discard the guy coming off an injury. As much as you claim that he'll be prime 2009 Revis...4 years later, after a torn ACL, I counter with, what happens if he's unproductive, struggles, now you're paying him a bunch of money, you gave up a pretty good draft pick that could have turned out to be a starter for someone else...and you're really no further along in the CB regard than you were last season.

i am not discarding it. i am saying a torn ACL is no longer an 18 month injury.
then he was still an excellent CB the last 3 years. also, being fundamentally sound at his position makes me less worried about a short term loss of speed and explosion.
i am sorry 6 million is not a lot of money when it comes down to it.



and i have said the loss of draft pick will be minimal when you take into account the compensatory pick if he walks.
you will be losing roughly the value of a 4th and a 6th for an all pro player. and considering the niners have way too many picks in this draft to ever make the team, i believe that is a minimal loss, after all 2 players picked in those spots likely get cut.
[ Edited by jdt84_2 on Mar 7, 2013 at 12:46 AM ]
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
i am not discarding it. i am saying a torn ACL is no longer an 18 month injury.
then he was still an excellent CB the last 3 years. also, being fundamentally sound at his position makes me less worried about a short term loss of speed and explosion.
i am sorry 6 million is not a lot of money when it comes down to it.



and i have said the loss of draft pick will be minimal when you take into account the compensatory pick if he walks.
you will be losing roughly the value of a 4th and a 6th for an all pro player. and considering the niners have way too many picks in this draft to ever make the team, i believe that is a minimal loss, after all 2 players picked in those spots likely get cut.

If you trade a 2nd round pick in this year's draft, all you would expect to get is a 3rd rounder in 2015? Because if they're going for 2 years down the road, they might as well try for a 1st rounder instead.


No, I totally disagree, I don't want any part of Revis on this team. He can go off to Denver or Tampa Bay or wherever else. I think this team is in a great position right now, lots of young players and can be successful with adding affordable young players through the draft and not disrupting the team by bringing in a one year rental that may not even perform all that well. They made it to the Superbowl this year, with some better depth next year, a playmaker or two more on offense, they'll be a viable threat to win it all again without having to sacrifice their current philosophy or take a flyer on a guy like Revis.
Second round compensatory pick, that gave me a laugh. They don't even exist.

JDT 6 mil is a lot of money when we'll only have around 12-14 mil in cap space after the Alex trade is finalized. We're not cap strapped, but we definitely don't have a lot of cap flexibility.
[ Edited by Hopper on Mar 7, 2013 at 1:16 AM ]
Originally posted by Hopper:
Second round compensatory pick, that gave me a laugh. They don't even exist.

JDT 6 mil is a lot of money when we'll only have around 12-14 mil in cap space after the Alex trade is finalized. We're not cap strapped, but we definitely don't have a lot of cap flexibility.

I think they cut haralson. And then re-sign goldson+cut whitner. Barring a ridiculous contract offer to goldson from someone else.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If you trade a 2nd round pick in this year's draft, all you would expect to get is a 3rd rounder in 2015? Because if they're going for 2 years down the road, they might as well try for a 1st rounder instead.


No, I totally disagree, I don't want any part of Revis on this team. He can go off to Denver or Tampa Bay or wherever else. I think this team is in a great position right now, lots of young players and can be successful with adding affordable young players through the draft and not disrupting the team by bringing in a one year rental that may not even perform all that well. They made it to the Superbowl this year, with some better depth next year, a playmaker or two more on offense, they'll be a viable threat to win it all again without having to sacrifice their current philosophy or take a flyer on a guy like Revis.

Not sure about your point to the 1st part.

Ans I agree with a lot of what you said. I just believe we shoulder try to bump everyone down instead of just replacing tramaine brock.
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Don't want Revis.
i would roll dice on him for a non 1st or 2nd pick
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You can't just discard the guy coming off an injury. As much as you claim that he'll be prime 2009 Revis...4 years later, after a torn ACL, I counter with, what happens if he's unproductive, struggles, now you're paying him a bunch of money, you gave up a pretty good draft pick that could have turned out to be a starter for someone else...and you're really no further along in the CB regard than you were last season.

Dude....

WTH

You can play what if....with every move in football.


For every Hall of fame CB that have not recovered from injury....I can provide 100s of failed draft picks.

there are real reasons not to want revis...besides what ifs