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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
it's a business, nothing personal.
Originally posted by wysiwyg:If Colin got a concussion in this game. Or a "high ankle sprain" or an "upper body injury" in this game.
Alex could and wold come in and win this game. With seven more snaps (which Harbs wouldn't give him) he would have finished #4 in rating, after finishing #9 last year. He tied Joe in all time 4th quarter regular season comebacks LAST YEAR. Detroit motherf****ers, Detroit. Delanie at the goal line with 4 seconds left. The Giants game.
THIS YEAR, he posted the TOP 2 rating games. Both over 150. By a 49er QB ever. That is EVER. In October. Something Joe or Steve never did.
Then he got concussed.
The newbs forget the 2006 Sea game where he walked into the endzone on a bootleg . Or the Denver game the next year. Fast Forward 2011.
That NO game ranks up there with the Garcia Giants Game, the Catch, JT in the Super Bowl, name any other playoff game and both nuts dropped for Alex last year.
While we are drunk with the awesome physical ability / poise that is Kaep, let us not forget that Alex brought this team / stuck with this team through the dark ages (we want carr) to get us here.
To say that that no team will trade for a #1 overall that was on an upward trajectory to go from Top 10, to Top 5, with a HUGE playoff win, 4th Quarter comebacks, playing out of his mind out at the time of his injury (last pass was a TD to Crabtree, while concussed) is nothing short of ridiculous.
Alex will be heard from again in this league. I'm going to root hard for him. Look forward to seeing him next in the Super Bowl (on the other side)
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by wysiwyg:
If Colin got a concussion in this game. Or a "high ankle sprain" or an "upper body injury" in this game.
Alex could and wold come in and win this game. With seven more snaps (which Harbs wouldn't give him) he would have finished #4 in rating, after finishing #9 last year. He tied Joe in all time 4th quarter regular season comebacks LAST YEAR. Detroit motherf****ers, Detroit. Delanie at the goal line with 4 seconds left. The Giants game.
THIS YEAR, he posted the TOP 2 rating games. Both over 150. By a 49er QB ever. That is EVER. In October. Something Joe or Steve never did.
Then he got concussed.
The newbs forget the 2006 Sea game where he walked into the endzone on a bootleg . Or the Denver game the next year. Fast Forward 2011.
That NO game ranks up there with the Garcia Giants Game, the Catch, JT in the Super Bowl, name any other playoff game and both nuts dropped for Alex last year.
While we are drunk with the awesome physical ability / poise that is Kaep, let us not forget that Alex brought this team / stuck with this team through the dark ages (we want carr) to get us here.
To say that that no team will trade for a #1 overall that was on an upward trajectory to go from Top 10, to Top 5, with a HUGE playoff win, 4th Quarter comebacks, playing out of his mind out at the time of his injury (last pass was a TD to Crabtree, while concussed) is nothing short of ridiculous.
Alex will be heard from again in this league. I'm going to root hard for him. Look forward to seeing him next in the Super Bowl (on the other side
All these "accomplishments" and yet he isn't regarded as anywhere near a top QB. Smith's numbers are extremely misleading.
Originally posted by boast:only one, Donovan McChoke. and even in his rookie year, he didn't play until mid-season.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
I dont think any team that needs a qb will invest a third round pick for Alex. I just dont see it. He is not guaranteed a starting spot from any team that I can tell and I just think that us Niner fans are over-qualifying his credentials--the exact opposite of what GMs around the league are doing. They know Alex is not a qb who can carry a team to 12 win seasons. Teams know also they arent going to give Alex his current contract either when they dont know if hes going to grab that starting spot, so why give a third and pay that compensation for 8-8 seasons
I disagree completely. If you're a new GM, you don't want to wait 2-3 years for your rookie QB to make an impact, you also don't want to be picking up off the trash heap of free agents to hope and pray that a guy like Matt Moore can deliver for you. A 3rd round pick for a guy who has played as well as Alex is a BARGAIN, 3rd round is me trying to be conservative, ideally a 2nd rounder or multiple picks is not out of the question.
There's about 7 or 8 teams that Alex could be starting on next year, even if teams only select him to hold down the fort for a couple of seasons, a 3rd rounder is still a bargain, you know what the success rate of 2nd and 3rd round QB's is???
Bottomline, in the NFL, you need to be able to compete and if you have a smart veteran QB like Alex available, there will be significant interest and I trust Baalke to extract the maximum compensation possible.
Regardless of your personal feelings about Alex Smith, he's a valuable commodity in this league, and the 49ers will act accordingly.
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by fryet:
I find it interesting that no one is mentioning Camp Alex. He was preparing the entire team when he wasn't even under contract, and the 49ers had spent a 2nd round draft pick on a QB. Alex has gone over and beyond the call of duty, so I don't see why the organization can't have some class on how they release him. Most likely it won't be an outright release, but they will probably offer him some say on where he is traded.
Btw, last year, it was clear that Alex wanted to return to the 49ers, so teams weren't that interested in bidding for his services when they knew it would only be used to negotiate a higher salary with the 49ers.
Who cares? This is business. Players go over and above all the time and get cut. No player is above the team. I care about the 9ers. I couldn't care less about players who are out the door.
Being a "nice guy" does not entitle you to being put above the team. Alex has a lot to be thankful of the 9ers for.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I disagree completely. If you're a new GM, you don't want to wait 2-3 years for your rookie QB to make an impact, you also don't want to be picking up off the trash heap of free agents to hope and pray that a guy like Matt Moore can deliver for you. A 3rd round pick for a guy who has played as well as Alex is a BARGAIN, 3rd round is me trying to be conservative, ideally a 2nd rounder or multiple picks is not out of the question.
There's about 7 or 8 teams that Alex could be starting on next year, even if teams only select him to hold down the fort for a couple of seasons, a 3rd rounder is still a bargain, you know what the success rate of 2nd and 3rd round QB's is???
Bottomline, in the NFL, you need to be able to compete and if you have a smart veteran QB like Alex available, there will be significant interest and I trust Baalke to extract the maximum compensation possible.
Regardless of your personal feelings about Alex Smith, he's a valuable commodity in this league, and the 49ers will act accordingly.
Originally posted by ayetee:
Since the Niners cannot get much out of it, I would release him. Building a positive corporate image IS good business. It will generate good publicity far beyond the value of another third round draft choice or something like that.
Originally posted by fryet:
Yes, this is business, but it is also people. If you don't treat your employees right, you will lose in the end. All of these "this is business" people sure seem to not know much about business.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:The age difference between them is very minimal. If Trent had his way we would be working with Dalton....and probably still starting Alex. If they kid can get to the NFCCG with a good coach he can do it again. If the goes to the right team I could see Alex back in the playoffs next year....the question is who is that team.
You make great points and I know you are one of the best with the talent evaluations here, but I am still disagreeing with a few thoughts:
I think GMs who need a qb are going to go after the aggressive types, the strong arms, the players who take risks, which is the best types to lead teams to wins, not conservatism for a couple years to "hold down the fort". Teams have to win now and have huge pressure from owners now a days.
Alex has an evaluation of his whole body of work, not just his 12 last games.
Success rate hasnt been good at all over the years, but that is rapidly changing, you know that. Youngs kids are coming in very prepared and smart and athletic, so that view is changing from what coaches are soon expecting from their players.
And draft picks I believe are becoming more valuable in todays game for the above mentioned. Teams want picks and more picks more than ever. And I think most of these teams who want a qb are banking more on finding the next Kaepernick in the draft than giving up a second round pick to nab Alex for three stop-gap seasons.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I disagree completely. If you're a new GM, you don't want to wait 2-3 years for your rookie QB to make an impact, you also don't want to be picking up off the trash heap of free agents to hope and pray that a guy like Matt Moore can deliver for you. A 3rd round pick for a guy who has played as well as Alex is a BARGAIN, 3rd round is me trying to be conservative, ideally a 2nd rounder or multiple picks is not out of the question.
There's about 7 or 8 teams that Alex could be starting on next year, even if teams only select him to hold down the fort for a couple of seasons, a 3rd rounder is still a bargain, you know what the success rate of 2nd and 3rd round QB's is???
Bottomline, in the NFL, you need to be able to compete and if you have a smart veteran QB like Alex available, there will be significant interest and I trust Baalke to extract the maximum compensation possible.
Regardless of your personal feelings about Alex Smith, he's a valuable commodity in this league, and the 49ers will act accordingly.
You make great points and I know you are one of the best with the talent evaluations here, but I am still disagreeing with a few thoughts:
I think GMs who need a qb are going to go after the aggressive types, the strong arms, the players who take risks, which is the best types to lead teams to wins, not conservatism for a couple years to "hold down the fort". Teams have to win now and have huge pressure from owners now a days.
Alex has an evaluation of his whole body of work, not just his 12 last games.
Success rate hasnt been good at all over the years, but that is rapidly changing, you know that. Youngs kids are coming in very prepared and smart and athletic, so that view is changing from what coaches are soon expecting from their players.
And draft picks I believe are becoming more valuable in todays game for the above mentioned. Teams want picks and more picks more than ever. And I think most of these teams who want a qb are banking more on finding the next Kaepernick in the draft than giving up a second round pick to nab Alex for three stop-gap seasons.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
You are completely underselling Smith's abilities. He's not just a hold-the-fort-down guy. He's 28, in his prime, and capable of producing at high levels. If Kaep wasn't so darn incredible, I'm not sure we wouldn't be talking about how Alex Smith led this team to the Super Bowl the year after leading us to the NFCCG. His monicker of game manager is unfair and not indicative of his value on the field. Last year he carried the team to come from behind victories multiple times, including times when the defense didn't do their job up to typical standards. If a team wants to win now and they have pieces to do so, KC for example, a guy like Alex is the perfect guy to give them a shot at success while they develop younger talent. A heady GM will see this and understand it's value.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
You are completely underselling Smith's abilities. He's not just a hold-the-fort-down guy. He's 28, in his prime, and capable of producing at high levels. If Kaep wasn't so darn incredible, I'm not sure we wouldn't be talking about how Alex Smith led this team to the Super Bowl the year after leading us to the NFCCG. His monicker of game manager is unfair and not indicative of his value on the field. Last year he carried the team to come from behind victories multiple times, including times when the defense didn't do their job up to typical standards. If a team wants to win now and they have pieces to do so, KC for example, a guy like Alex is the perfect guy to give them a shot at success while they develop younger talent. A heady GM will see this and understand it's value.
