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Crabtree's NFL ranks among WRs

He has way less targets than all the players ahead of him.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
And Rice was "slow", like Crabtree. Rice was also very quick, like Crabtree.
Quickness and acceleration are more important than raw speed at any position, including WR.

People seem to forget...

-- The difference between 4.5 and 4.4 is about 2ft over a 40 yard sprint.
-- Running 40 yards in a straight line is a rare event in football.
-- Being able to accelerate, change direction, and sell a route, creates anywhere between 0 - 1 seconds of separation. In other words, much more than a couple tenths of a second.

More de ja vu
In the last 5 weeks with Kaep no other WR besides des Bryant had more yards than crabs
Originally posted by activENEX4:
Comparing crab to rice in any other then theyve both suited up for the 49ers is idiotic


Lighten up, Francis.
What I really like is that yards after the catch stat. Its one thing that has really taken off for Crabtree this year other than the obvious raport with Kap. He really works his ass off for those extra yards. Something that I would like to see the other recievers learn from.
What i saw is that he learned form Manningahm´s ability to juke defenders, and from Moss´abiltiy to get open in selling rutes.
  • BobS
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by SaksV:
Originally posted by 49rz4Life:
Some of the greatest receivers ever weren't 6'3" and over 200 pounds. Crabtree can defintely be in the conversation of any receiver in the game right now. Half the receivers named in the so called upper echelon have a garbage or mediocre running game forcing the qb to throw a more than we have to. You dont have to be 6'3" 230 to be a prototypical WR. Crabtree has indeed grown into the total package.

Yep. Jerry Rice was what, 6'1" 1/2 195 - 200?


And Rice was "slow", like Crabtree. Rice was also very quick, like Crabtree.
Quickness and acceleration are more important than raw speed at any position, including WR.

People seem to forget...

-- The difference between 4.5 and 4.4 is about 2ft over a 40 yard sprint.
-- Running 40 yards in a straight line is a rare event in football.
-- Being able to accelerate, change direction, and sell a route, creates anywhere between 0 - 1 seconds of separation. In other words, much more than a couple tenths of a second.
Supposedly Rice only ran a 4.65, but I rarely recall him getting caught from behind. I think he ran 4.65 alone and 4.0 when someone was chasing him.
I just wanted Crabs to be healthy and effective. Mission accomplished!
  • sfout
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What I want to know is how many of Crab's First Downs were actually 3rd down conversion? Because I thought I heard an announcer say he was near tops in the league in that regard.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49rz4Life:
Some of the greatest receivers ever weren't 6'3" and over 200 pounds. Crabtree can defintely be in the conversation of any receiver in the game right now. Half the receivers named in the so called upper echelon have a garbage or mediocre running game forcing the qb to throw a more than we have to. You dont have to be 6'3" 230 to be a prototypical WR. Crabtree has indeed grown into the total package.

this is like De Ja vu from like 6 or 7 years ago. I even used running a 4.38 in my argument.


As I said back then, opportunity is what makes the elite elite. not size, speed, weight ETC.....

It's all about the opportunity and Kaep has give Crabtree more opportunities.

The QB makes the biggest difference.
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by SaksV:
Originally posted by 49rz4Life:
Some of the greatest receivers ever weren't 6'3" and over 200 pounds. Crabtree can defintely be in the conversation of any receiver in the game right now. Half the receivers named in the so called upper echelon have a garbage or mediocre running game forcing the qb to throw a more than we have to. You dont have to be 6'3" 230 to be a prototypical WR. Crabtree has indeed grown into the total package.

Yep. Jerry Rice was what, 6'1" 1/2 195 - 200?


And Rice was "slow", like Crabtree. Rice was also very quick, like Crabtree.
Quickness and acceleration are more important than raw speed at any position, including WR.

People seem to forget...

-- The difference between 4.5 and 4.4 is about 2ft over a 40 yard sprint.
-- Running 40 yards in a straight line is a rare event in football.
-- Being able to accelerate, change direction, and sell a route, creates anywhere between 0 - 1 seconds of separation. In other words, much more than a couple tenths of a second.
Supposedly Rice only ran a 4.65, but I rarely recall him getting caught from behind. I think he ran 4.65 alone and 4.0 when someone was chasing him.

Its been long documented that fast in a t-shirt and shorts is not the same thing as fast in pads. Its one of the reasons that combine stats are not as usefull for gauging speed on the field as many think they are.
Originally posted by activENEX4:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You hit the quote button under the response.

But your simply wrong about crabtree this year. He had a great year all season, especially moving the chains on third down.

Look i was one of his biggest critics, and even i was extremely impressed. You simply cannot give anyone credit besides crabtree. He was extremely impressive. Not Moss, not the QB's not anyone. Crabtree had a great season and deserves his own credit.

Impressive yes. Great no. hes shown great ability and signs that he can be great but hes still a average wr. I need to c more b4 I can forgive him for holding out on us wen we used a #10 pick on him

So basically you're being petty.
I remember when a 1000 yards used to mean something the new bar is 1500.
1000 yards is nothing considering there are 16 games. I don't see what the big deal is. It's only 62 yards per game. That should be the bare minimum expected out of your play makers.
Not in order

1. Calvin Johnson
2. AJ Green
3. Brandon Marshall
4. Andre Johnson
5.Reggie Wayne
6. Demaryius Thomas
7. Vincent Jackson
8. Dez Bryant
9. Roddy White
10. Julio Jones
11. Wes Welker
12. Victor Cruz
13. Marques Colston
14. Larry Fitzgerald
15. Percy Harvin when healthy
16. Jordy Nelson (debatable)
maybe Mike Wallace. DeSean jackson, not sure.
Was thinking about a healthy Greg Jennings but if Crabtree was on the Packers he'd probably be a 1400 yard receiver

Those are guys I'd probably take over him
Elite in my opinion is top 3 or 5 in every position. I love Crabtree but he's not elite