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Dec 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Tom Brady didn't seem to have a problem.

How many snaps did he take under center?
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Originally posted by Jakemall:
At least one qb played in the same circumstances....nice try to turn it around when I already put it on you :P Honestly, I couldn't look it up now if I wanted...work internet..amazing that I can even get here.

Has that one QB ever lost a game like this in December at home? Is that one QB arguably the best ever?
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
The fumbled snaps criticism is so overblown its ridiculous. How many of the fumbled stats can you say are definitively his fault and not the centers (or shared faults)? ZERO. The weather conditions were miserable. I am not saying I am happy with the amount the ball was on the turf yesterday, but its certainly understandable given the weather.

If you want to make criticisms about how Kap needs to take better care of the ball and hold it against his body when moving in the pocket or scrambling, fine, I can totally get behind that. But for there to be a 20 page thread about his fumbles in freezing rainy conditions? Its a joke.

How many fumbled snaps did the rest of the league have combined yesterday? I'm sure more than our game had rain... I suspect that the Colin Goodwin exchange beat them all...combined.

Go ahead and count how many games were played in 35 degree weather in a constant downpour. I'll wait.

At least one qb played in the same circumstances....nice try to turn it around when I already put it on you :P Honestly, I couldn't look it up now if I wanted...work internet..amazing that I can even get here.

I turned it around because aside from Tom Brady, there wasnt a single other QB that played in conditions that were even close to the ones Kap played in. Now if you want to compare him to Brady, thats a different story. But to compare the conditions to all the other ones which QBs played in yesterday is ridiculous.
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM
People who go watch every play with their fingers crossed praying to god "please dont lets us make a mistake, please dont let please dont lets us make a mistakes us make a mistake, are expecting their team to make a mistake. Expecting your team to make mistakes is expecting your team to lose. Thats a loser mentality, and WE WANT WINNERS *please excuse the MS reference*
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Originally posted by Jakemall:
As I said, it is being mentioned..but as a "look how he overcame it"...wins do that for you.

http://www.csnne.com/football-new-england-patriots/patriots-talk/Kaepernicks-triumph-didnt-go-as-planned?blockID=814493&feedID=3352

Because of the weather, Kaepernick fumbled four snaps from center. But he recovered all of them.

"Just a wet ball, mishandling it," said Kapernick. "One hundred percent my fault."

"Yeah, we were having some difficulties there," said Harbaugh. "We just kept working at it, talking about it. The ball was hitting and squirting off [Kaepernick]'s hand. He moved his guide hand, his left hand a little further to the right, and his top hand a little further to the right, and that helped."

Kaepernick didn't let the weather affect his mindset. He also didn't let his lone interception affect him much. After getting picked off by Devin McCourty when he tried to force one down the middle of the field early in the third quarter, Kaepernick showed his confidence driving the team down field to score a touchdown. Then he went right back to the same throw two possessions later, hitting Crabtree over the middle in between two defenders for a 27-yard strike and a touchdown that put San Francisco up 31-3.

The fact that Kaepernick overcame the snap issue, the INT, the crowd, his defense giving up points on every drive until the score was tied and overcame it all to win the game was impressive.
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Taking a snap from under center in the rain, much heavier rain to be exact. I am always comparing him and Alex and he is doing a lot of things Alex cant/wont, I just want a clean game from him. Chicago he was perfect IMO and played the best game so far....and I rank it top 3 in games this year. I just dont want to have to worry about something that should be automatic.

Just curious. What games would you rank top three(in order..most impressive being 1)?
Bills, Chicago, Arz

hmm....interesting. So, the win last night, ranks below Bills and Arizona?
[ Edited by Bay2Bay9erAllday on Dec 17, 2012 at 4:38 PM ]
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Taking a snap from under center in the rain, much heavier rain to be exact. I am always comparing him and Alex and he is doing a lot of things Alex cant/wont, I just want a clean game from him. Chicago he was perfect IMO and played the best game so far....and I rank it top 3 in games this year. I just dont want to have to worry about something that should be automatic.

Just curious. What games would you rank top three(in order..most impressive being 1)?
Bills, Chicago, Arz

Would probably agree with this, just considering how the Cardinals have been embarrassing so many top QBs (not just the bad ones), but couldn't do the same to us. New England definitely in the top 5 of games though. Tremendous win, but hard to put in top 3 because of the missed opportunities, points left off the board, and little mistakes that could've been costly.
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Originally posted by qwestlove94:
Weather was a factor in yesterdays game if you were watching, (maybe you were listening on the radio because you dont seem to notice the weather).
So you mean to tell me that leading up to this game, your watching every other game Kap has started and your saying "dont drop the ball, dont drop he ball" then apparently thats how YOU watch games. But dont make it out to be an epidemic, youve been reaching since yesterdays win, how bout making a positive comment without a backhanded slight against Kap or the offense, I dont know if you got it in you quite frankly. Even those of us, myself included, who wanted Kap to start had to give props to alex when he balled out, or when he won a big game that was less than perfect. We get it , your skeptical of Kap, but youve never taken an NFL snap and you shouldnt generalize an experience that youll never have, and you definitely shouldnt compare your 11 year old self to a pro qb.
Its an epidemic when it happens every week. I've made many positive comments that you and others keep over looking, would you like me to repost all of them for you? FYI the kid is chasing the record for most fumbles in a season, and he hasn't played a full season.
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by qwestlove94:
Notice how the fumble crap is only being overblown on this message board. I have not heard one NFL media outlet today that has not heaped praise on Kap and our team, not one of them is saying "oh my god , this guys the next Rex Grossman and his fumbling will cost the niners a superbowl" , honestly I havent heard anything close to that

Things like that get hidden in the news by the win..be assured if we had lost, there would have been a lot of talk about how they were all missed opportunities.

As I said, it is being mentioned..but as a "look how he overcame it"...wins do that for you.

http://www.csnne.com/football-new-england-patriots/patriots-talk/Kaepernicks-triumph-didnt-go-as-planned?blockID=814493&feedID=3352

Because of the weather, Kaepernick fumbled four snaps from center. But he recovered all of them.

"Just a wet ball, mishandling it," said Kapernick. "One hundred percent my fault."

"Yeah, we were having some difficulties there," said Harbaugh. "We just kept working at it, talking about it. The ball was hitting and squirting off [Kaepernick]'s hand. He moved his guide hand, his left hand a little further to the right, and his top hand a little further to the right, and that helped."

Kaepernick didn't let the weather affect his mindset. He also didn't let his lone interception affect him much. After getting picked off by Devin McCourty when he tried to force one down the middle of the field early in the third quarter, Kaepernick showed his confidence driving the team down field to score a touchdown. Then he went right back to the same throw two possessions later, hitting Crabtree over the middle in between two defenders for a 27-yard strike and a touchdown that put San Francisco up 31-3.

Yea clearly the wet ball was a problem for Kap, he didnt have that glove on his off hand to start the game
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM
It's unfair to compare Kap to by far the greatest QB of all time. However, it's also inexcusable to have that many botched snaps in a single game. Most qbs don't have that many in a season or even their entire careers. The weather is no excuse for that many botched snaps. We're lucky that they didn't cost us the game. Hopefully it's something that they'll be able to fix going forward.
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM
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Dec 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Originally posted by TinyHandsBigHeart:
It's unfair to compare Kap to by far the greatest QB of all time. However, it's also inexcusable to have that many botched snaps in a single game. Most qbs don't have that many in a season or even their entire careers. The weather is no excuse for that many botched snaps. We're lucky that they didn't cost us the game. Hopefully it's something that they'll be able to fix going forward.

Who is comparing Kap to Montana?
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Originally posted by TinyHandsBigHeart:
It's unfair to compare Kap to by far the greatest QB of all time. However, it's also inexcusable to have that many botched snaps in a single game. Most qbs don't have that many in a season or even their entire careers. The weather is no excuse for that many botched snaps. We're lucky that they didn't cost us the game. Hopefully it's something that they'll be able to fix going forward.
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Taking a snap from under center in the rain, much heavier rain to be exact. I am always comparing him and Alex and he is doing a lot of things Alex cant/wont, I just want a clean game from him. Chicago he was perfect IMO and played the best game so far....and I rank it top 3 in games this year. I just dont want to have to worry about something that should be automatic.

Just curious. What games would you rank top three(in order..most impressive being 1)?
Bills, Chicago, Arz

Would probably agree with this, just considering how the Cardinals have been embarrassing so many top QBs (not just the bad ones), but couldn't do the same to us. New England definitely in the top 5 of games though. Tremendous win, but hard to put in top 3 because of the missed opportunities, points left off the board, and little mistakes that could've been costly.

Winning in Foxboro in December is a top three game no matter how sloppy. We definitely left a lot of opportunities and made some mistakes, but how many teams in the NFL could go into New England, turn the ball over twice, miss a field goal, miss a wide open TD pass, and give up 34 points and come out with a victory?
Dec 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Originally posted by susweel:
it sucks some people can't enjoy success

Riiiight...its shameful
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