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Anyone else not happy with Sundays offensive performance?

Do people not remember a 9 min drive at the end of the 3rd and into the 4th qtr that essentially ate up all the clock and made it a 2 score game with 5 minutes left in the game. That is what championship teams do when they need to do it. Eat the clock and make it a 2 score game.
Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
Granted hostile enviroment and all, but the offense onpy put up 17 against the 32nd ranked defense, that wont get it done. If it wasnt for the defense we would and should of lost this game.

Did we watch the same game....
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
  • 2 missed field goals
  • muffed punt
  • many dropped passes
  • ticky tack penalties negating huge plays
  • Crabtree being called down when he wasnt and negated a big play
  • two score lead for a big portion of the 2nd half

But keep focusing on the boxscore and not the actual game.

Not to mention roman going stupid in the Redzone... Again

Would all of these factors be considered had Smith started? Would the "W" be enough, or would there be nitpicking?

I didnt read through this thread, so I apologize. But this is more about our offensive production as a whole, not just QB play right?
I give up...LOL.
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
So i guess those 2 TD's by Kaep didn't matter then

Of course they did. But, what if we would have went into the half 14-7, or even 21-7 due to an errant turnover? What about the nearly interception to Moss on the goalline? I mean I give the guy credit for his play, I even said he played well. But he also made some bad mistakes that in my opinion could have cost us the game if not for Ahmad Brooks completely flipping the momentum.

I'm not hating on the guy, but I feel I have valid points. Did he play great? I say no. He still understandably is making rookie mistakes. Did he play horrible? Not by any stretch. He played a legit game, he played well, but I read how many say he played amazing and to me he didn't.

agreed....his play was nothing spcial. alex would have had just as good a game or better probably.


you have a problem with dissenting analysis from your own? what i saw is a team that had a strong offensive game against a TERRIBLE defense. It was by far not a GREAT offensive game like the previous week against the bears or alex's last full game where he had a near perfect game.

look at the stats. the saints have given up an AVG of 298.3 passing yds/game this year! we didn't even come even close to that. I'm sure you'll make a bunch of alexcuses for that though right? They are also one of the worst defense at giving up 27.6pts/g. again without the defense scoring two TD's we would probably have been around the same or less. There's no alexcuses about the niners not wanting to run up the score either as the game was competitive throughout. Kap also had two absolutely terrible passes. the pick, and the should have been pick in the endzone.

I see the potential and am excited about kap also. If i were harbaugh I'd probably make the switch too due to the potential to stretch the field more and open up even more space for the running game. But the questions in this thread is was anyone unhappy with the offensive performance. I agree and I think the offense had a strong game but it wasn't impressive at all. Kap showed some impressive moments, but our offensive has had better days this year, including the previous game against the bears.

I know we are all waiting and dieing for the next joe montana to arrive, and we've all been dreaming about this so hard that when something like this happens that opens that sliver of hope, everyone get's all excited.....but that doesn't mean we have to blindly be proclaiming everything that kap does as amazing haha.

anyways tomorrow will be an interesting day with harbaugh's proclamation!

You should look up the word "analysis" and contrast that with the word "opinion." I have no issues with dissenting opinion or analysis, because I have no dog in this hunt...I'm a fan of Alex and Kap. I just think it's silly and childish to diminish a guy's performance ("Kap was nothing special; Alex would've done the same or better") based on a comparison of what you THINK the other guy could've done.

Is it too obvious for me to state that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ALEX WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAVE DONE? You really don't. He may have had the greatest performance in modern football history, he may have gotten his bell rung in the 1st quarter and left the game or he may have had just a mediocre outing....BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. To just assume Alex could've done the same or better is just silly, and like I said before, it's not an analysis....it's just an opinion based on nothing but assumptions and it adds nothing to the discussion.
Comments like yours just spark a new round of Alex vs. Kap discussions, which are pointless, never-ending and futile.

All of that said, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions...as am I, so if I want to "face-palm" your reply, I can do so. I would hope that you would offer up something a little more thoughtful and constructive than essentially "my QB would've done better than your QB," but I can't control your posts. I can only comment on them, which I did.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Nov 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM ]
Must be a vision problem with a large portion of this fanbase...The offense looked really good. Take away the two pick6's I still think we win.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
  • 2 missed field goals
  • muffed punt
  • many dropped passes
  • ticky tack penalties negating huge plays
  • Crabtree being called down when he wasnt and negated a big play
  • two score lead for a big portion of the 2nd half

But keep focusing on the boxscore and not the actual game.

Not to mention roman going stupid in the Redzone... Again

Would all of these factors be considered had Smith started? Would the "W" be enough, or would there be nitpicking?

I didnt read through this thread, so I apologize. But this is more about our offensive production as a whole, not just QB play right?

Fair point. My bad.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I think he's somewhat right tbh. While I'm not saying Kaep. played horrible, he played well, but he didn't necessarily play this "lights out" game I'm reading everywhere.

Would we have won if not for the 2 turnovers? I honestly say probably not. I was frustrated as hell with this team up until we Brooks play. No lie. We would have been down at the half with no momentum. To me Ahmad Brooks saved this game. The QB did not win this game as many here portray.

The defense has been winning games for the past 2 seasons now.
it was good enough to win with a young qb only on his second start so Im good with it.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
So i guess those 2 TD's by Kaep didn't matter then

Of course they did. But, what if we would have went into the half 14-7, or even 21-7 due to an errant turnover? What about the nearly interception to Moss on the goalline? I mean I give the guy credit for his play, I even said he played well. But he also made some bad mistakes that in my opinion could have cost us the game if not for Ahmad Brooks completely flipping the momentum.

I'm not hating on the guy, but I feel I have valid points. Did he play great? I say no. He still understandably is making rookie mistakes. Did he play horrible? Not by any stretch. He played a legit game, he played well, but I read how many say he played amazing and to me he didn't.

agreed....his play was nothing spcial. alex would have had just as good a game or better probably.


you have a problem with dissenting analysis from your own? what i saw is a team that had a strong offensive game against a TERRIBLE defense. It was by far not a GREAT offensive game like the previous week against the bears or alex's last full game where he had a near perfect game.

look at the stats. the saints have given up an AVG of 298.3 passing yds/game this year! we didn't even come even close to that. I'm sure you'll make a bunch of alexcuses for that though right? They are also one of the worst defense at giving up 27.6pts/g. again without the defense scoring two TD's we would probably have been around the same or less. There's no alexcuses about the niners not wanting to run up the score either as the game was competitive throughout. Kap also had two absolutely terrible passes. the pick, and the should have been pick in the endzone.

I see the potential and am excited about kap also. If i were harbaugh I'd probably make the switch too due to the potential to stretch the field more and open up even more space for the running game. But the questions in this thread is was anyone unhappy with the offensive performance. I agree and I think the offense had a strong game but it wasn't impressive at all. Kap showed some impressive moments, but our offensive has had better days this year, including the previous game against the bears.

I know we are all waiting and dieing for the next joe montana to arrive, and we've all been dreaming about this so hard that when something like this happens that opens that sliver of hope, everyone get's all excited.....but that doesn't mean we have to blindly be proclaiming everything that kap does as amazing haha.

anyways tomorrow will be an interesting day with harbaugh's proclamation!

You should look up the word "analysis" and contrast that with the word "opinion." I have no issues with dissenting opinion or analysis, because I have no dog in this hunt...I'm a fan of Alex and Kap. I just think it's silly and childish to diminish a guy's performance ("Kap was nothing special; Alex would've done the same or better") based on a comparison of what you THINK the other guy could've done.

Is it too obvious for me to state that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ALEX WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAVE DONE? You really don't. He may have had the greatest performance in modern football history, he may have gotten his bell rung in the 1st quarter and left the game or he may have had just a mediocre outing....BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. To just assume Alex could've done the same or better is just silly, and like I said before, it's not an analysis....it's just an opinion based on nothing but assumptions and it adds nothing to the discussion.
Comments like yours just spark a new round of Alex vs. Kap discussions, which are pointless, never-ending and futile.

All of that said, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions...as am I, so if I want to "face-palm" your reply, I can do so.

keeep on face palmin' bro haha.....

the numbers still say that it wasn't a dominating offensive performance, which is what this thread was about.
Classic Niner Talk...

Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
  • 2 missed field goals
  • muffed punt
  • many dropped passes
  • ticky tack penalties negating huge plays
  • Crabtree being called down when he wasnt and negated a big play
  • two score lead for a big portion of the 2nd half

But keep focusing on the boxscore and not the actual game.

Not to mention roman going stupid in the Redzone... Again

Would all of these factors be considered had Smith started? Would the "W" be enough, or would there be nitpicking?

if roman went stupid in the redzone when smith was in, it'd just be an alexcuse and alex wold be blamed for not givingn roman the confidence to call a pass play ;)

No, there's plenty of times that roman has made stupid play calls. That's why I said... Again
Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:
Classic Niner Talk...


Sad but true.
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
So i guess those 2 TD's by Kaep didn't matter then

Of course they did. But, what if we would have went into the half 14-7, or even 21-7 due to an errant turnover? What about the nearly interception to Moss on the goalline? I mean I give the guy credit for his play, I even said he played well. But he also made some bad mistakes that in my opinion could have cost us the game if not for Ahmad Brooks completely flipping the momentum.

I'm not hating on the guy, but I feel I have valid points. Did he play great? I say no. He still understandably is making rookie mistakes. Did he play horrible? Not by any stretch. He played a legit game, he played well, but I read how many say he played amazing and to me he didn't.

agreed....his play was nothing spcial. alex would have had just as good a game or better probably.


you have a problem with dissenting analysis from your own? what i saw is a team that had a strong offensive game against a TERRIBLE defense. It was by far not a GREAT offensive game like the previous week against the bears or alex's last full game where he had a near perfect game.

look at the stats. the saints have given up an AVG of 298.3 passing yds/game this year! we didn't even come even close to that. I'm sure you'll make a bunch of alexcuses for that though right? They are also one of the worst defense at giving up 27.6pts/g. again without the defense scoring two TD's we would probably have been around the same or less. There's no alexcuses about the niners not wanting to run up the score either as the game was competitive throughout. Kap also had two absolutely terrible passes. the pick, and the should have been pick in the endzone.

I see the potential and am excited about kap also. If i were harbaugh I'd probably make the switch too due to the potential to stretch the field more and open up even more space for the running game. But the questions in this thread is was anyone unhappy with the offensive performance. I agree and I think the offense had a strong game but it wasn't impressive at all. Kap showed some impressive moments, but our offensive has had better days this year, including the previous game against the bears.

I know we are all waiting and dieing for the next joe montana to arrive, and we've all been dreaming about this so hard that when something like this happens that opens that sliver of hope, everyone get's all excited.....but that doesn't mean we have to blindly be proclaiming everything that kap does as amazing haha.

anyways tomorrow will be an interesting day with harbaugh's proclamation!

You should look up the word "analysis" and contrast that with the word "opinion." I have no issues with dissenting opinion or analysis, because I have no dog in this hunt...I'm a fan of Alex and Kap. I just think it's silly and childish to diminish a guy's performance ("Kap was nothing special; Alex would've done the same or better") based on a comparison of what you THINK the other guy could've done.

Is it too obvious for me to state that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ALEX WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAVE DONE? You really don't. He may have had the greatest performance in modern football history, he may have gotten his bell rung in the 1st quarter and left the game or he may have had just a mediocre outing....BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. To just assume Alex could've done the same or better is just silly, and like I said before, it's not an analysis....it's just an opinion based on nothing but assumptions and it adds nothing to the discussion.
Comments like yours just spark a new round of Alex vs. Kap discussions, which are pointless, never-ending and futile.

All of that said, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions...as am I, so if I want to "face-palm" your reply, I can do so.

keeep on face palmin' bro haha.....

the numbers still say that it wasn't a dominating offensive performance, which is what this thread was about.

Actually, the thread wasn't about "a dominating offensive performance." If that's your standard, that's cool...I see nothing wrong with a 2nd year QB coming in to the Dome and putting up those numbers. I also happen to think Alex would've done well too, but I don't know that for a fact.
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by zoomcrypt:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
So i guess those 2 TD's by Kaep didn't matter then

Of course they did. But, what if we would have went into the half 14-7, or even 21-7 due to an errant turnover? What about the nearly interception to Moss on the goalline? I mean I give the guy credit for his play, I even said he played well. But he also made some bad mistakes that in my opinion could have cost us the game if not for Ahmad Brooks completely flipping the momentum.

I'm not hating on the guy, but I feel I have valid points. Did he play great? I say no. He still understandably is making rookie mistakes. Did he play horrible? Not by any stretch. He played a legit game, he played well, but I read how many say he played amazing and to me he didn't.

agreed....his play was nothing spcial. alex would have had just as good a game or better probably.


you have a problem with dissenting analysis from your own? what i saw is a team that had a strong offensive game against a TERRIBLE defense. It was by far not a GREAT offensive game like the previous week against the bears or alex's last full game where he had a near perfect game.

look at the stats. the saints have given up an AVG of 298.3 passing yds/game this year! we didn't even come even close to that. I'm sure you'll make a bunch of alexcuses for that though right? They are also one of the worst defense at giving up 27.6pts/g. again without the defense scoring two TD's we would probably have been around the same or less. There's no alexcuses about the niners not wanting to run up the score either as the game was competitive throughout. Kap also had two absolutely terrible passes. the pick, and the should have been pick in the endzone.

I see the potential and am excited about kap also. If i were harbaugh I'd probably make the switch too due to the potential to stretch the field more and open up even more space for the running game. But the questions in this thread is was anyone unhappy with the offensive performance. I agree and I think the offense had a strong game but it wasn't impressive at all. Kap showed some impressive moments, but our offensive has had better days this year, including the previous game against the bears.

I know we are all waiting and dieing for the next joe montana to arrive, and we've all been dreaming about this so hard that when something like this happens that opens that sliver of hope, everyone get's all excited.....but that doesn't mean we have to blindly be proclaiming everything that kap does as amazing haha.

anyways tomorrow will be an interesting day with harbaugh's proclamation!

You should look up the word "analysis" and contrast that with the word "opinion." I have no issues with dissenting opinion or analysis, because I have no dog in this hunt...I'm a fan of Alex and Kap. I just think it's silly and childish to diminish a guy's performance ("Kap was nothing special; Alex would've done the same or better") based on a comparison of what you THINK the other guy could've done.

Is it too obvious for me to state that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ALEX WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAVE DONE? You really don't. He may have had the greatest performance in modern football history, he may have gotten his bell rung in the 1st quarter and left the game or he may have had just a mediocre outing....BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. To just assume Alex could've done the same or better is just silly, and like I said before, it's not an analysis....it's just an opinion based on nothing but assumptions and it adds nothing to the discussion.
Comments like yours just spark a new round of Alex vs. Kap discussions, which are pointless, never-ending and futile.

All of that said, you're absolutely welcome to your opinions...as am I, so if I want to "face-palm" your reply, I can do so.

keeep on face palmin' bro haha.....

the numbers still say that it wasn't a dominating offensive performance, which is what this thread was about.

Then quite frankly the 49ers never put out dominant performances. Because those numbers are basically at our yearly average