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Does Alex Smith have any Trade Value???

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Lol

11h Donna G ‏@SdOT_G
@GimmeDaSkrilla man n***a we need Alex Smith lmao trade that n***a Gabbert and let's go get Alex Smith lmao haha just playing


11h brandon stinson ‏@bstinson22
@VinceKmiec f**k wally pipp and if im alex smith im saying f**k harbaugh and demanding a trade

Lmao

Who dat?

This makes me sad. Why does this exist??????? why?
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I can totally see Smith get $8 million , or near that. I don't see someone giving him $8 million AND a 2nd round pick for a guy with that many"ifs". You can draft a 2nd round QB with "ifs" and only pay him $500,000 and make the team around him better with the free cap space.

Alex Smith is never going to have a completion percentage this high unless he joins a team with a dominant Oline and run game , and good defense and good receivers and a genius coaching staff. We have seen how mediocre Alex can be with any of those mentioned above is missing.

I'll bet the webzone on it.

That is true of any QB. Just look at how Drew Brees has struggled when the OL could not protect him, or the run game was not working, or Payton was on suspension. QBs and receivers are of little value unless the OL is working...add in the run game which is also dependent on the OL.

Smith (Baalke) will have plenty of teams interested. The team that will offer the most will be one with a good OL and a solid WR core yet lacking quality QB play. Smith will likely be given the option to pick which team he will go to. He is a bright guy who now has 2+ years of quality performance with a winning team on his resume. The prior years are of no consequence. Everyone in the league could see what a mess the franchise was in and how little support he was given. This is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and lately Alex Smith has been pretty darn good. Now my hope is that he will bring a pretty darn good draft pick in exchange for moving to a team where he can start.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I can totally see Smith get $8 million , or near that. I don't see someone giving him $8 million AND a 2nd round pick for a guy with that many"ifs". You can draft a 2nd round QB with "ifs" and only pay him $500,000 and make the team around him better with the free cap space.

Alex Smith is never going to have a completion percentage this high unless he joins a team with a dominant Oline and run game , and good defense and good receivers and a genius coaching staff. We have seen how mediocre Alex can be with any of those mentioned above is missing.

I'll bet the webzone on it.

That is true of any QB. Just look at how Drew Brees has struggled when the OL could not protect him, or the run game was not working, or Payton was on suspension. QBs and receivers are of little value unless the OL is working...add in the run game which is also dependent on the OL.

Smith (Baalke) will have plenty of teams interested. The team that will offer the most will be one with a good OL and a solid WR core yet lacking quality QB play. Smith will likely be given the option to pick which team he will go to. He is a bright guy who now has 2+ years of quality performance with a winning team on his resume. The prior years are of no consequence. Everyone in the league could see what a mess the franchise was in and how little support he was given. This is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and lately Alex Smith has been pretty darn good. Now my hope is that he will bring a pretty darn good draft pick in exchange for moving to a team where he can start.

Well, I think some QB's can operate with far less than others. P.Manning, A.Rogers, and T.Brady come immediately to mind. Smith will need more support to be effective. I'd place him on the Matt Shaub level. Not too many QB's are in that group, mostly because of the necessary pieces that need to be in place before a Matt Shaub type QB can shine.
Originally posted by Geeked:
Well, I think some QB's can operate with far less than others. P.Manning, A.Rogers, and T.Brady come immediately to mind. Smith will need more support to be effective. I'd place him on the Matt Shaub level. Not too many QB's are in that group, mostly because of the necessary pieces that need to be in place before a Matt Shaub type QB can shine.

Tom Brady has a superb OL.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I can totally see Smith get $8 million , or near that. I don't see someone giving him $8 million AND a 2nd round pick for a guy with that many"ifs". You can draft a 2nd round QB with "ifs" and only pay him $500,000 and make the team around him better with the free cap space.

Alex Smith is never going to have a completion percentage this high unless he joins a team with a dominant Oline and run game , and good defense and good receivers and a genius coaching staff. We have seen how mediocre Alex can be with any of those mentioned above is missing.

I'll bet the webzone on it.

That is true of any QB. Just look at how Drew Brees has struggled when the OL could not protect him, or the run game was not working, or Payton was on suspension. QBs and receivers are of little value unless the OL is working...add in the run game which is also dependent on the OL.

Smith (Baalke) will have plenty of teams interested. The team that will offer the most will be one with a good OL and a solid WR core yet lacking quality QB play. Smith will likely be given the option to pick which team he will go to. He is a bright guy who now has 2+ years of quality performance with a winning team on his resume. The prior years are of no consequence. Everyone in the league could see what a mess the franchise was in and how little support he was given. This is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and lately Alex Smith has been pretty darn good. Now my hope is that he will bring a pretty darn good draft pick in exchange for moving to a team where he can start.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/13/offensive-line-rankings-week-10-update/

Good website for offensive line ranking in the NFL this year.

Look at the correlation of poor offensive line play and teams most likely in market for Smith. With the exception of Luck and Ryan, most QBs in the bottom tier of offensive
Lines are losing.

If these teams whose Oline sucks, know Smith most likely won't succeed there, it is probably unlikely they trade away a 2nd.

On the other side if the spectrum, if a team with a dominant offensive line needs Smith, why would they give up a 2nd AND give him $8.5 million when it is Smith who NEEDS them more than they do. Smith and the Niners have very little leverage.
Originally posted by da209:
When N. Turner gets canned and turner gets picked up as an OC if he and A. Smith will reconnect once again.

Norv Turner is destined to go to the Cowboys where he will work with Tony Romo and make him a better QB. Remember that Jerry Jones and Norve Turner are good friends. I can't see Turner going anywhere else as a Head Coach because I think he's proven that he is NOT head coach material and where he can flourish is being an excellent Offensive Coordinator.

However Jerry Jones may just give him a shot. If not Turner will be an Offensive Coordinator somewhere. I just think this makes sense.
Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by zoos:
I'm pretty surprised that there are so many people that would like to have Alex as their qb. I've always been and still am an Alex fan but I truly believed that other nfl fans did not appreciate his talents; mainly, I thought they always saw him as just plain average or a bust no matter what he did...

Some of these tweets caught me off guard...

http://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=alex+smith+trade&src=typd

Many football fans (especially of those teams that are starving for decent QB play) do not look at Smith and think of the bad years. They see the recent years as more evidences of what he is capable of. Of the current pool of free agent QBs and a QB draft class that no one is going to be excited about, Smith is better than any available option at starting QB.

last year, no one thought much of Alex...it was all because of Harbaugh and scheme. But if it were just scheme, other teams would adjust and this season Alex would look worse..instead, he has done more. People are starting to realize that he has talent. Maybe Kaep has more, but Alex has enough to take a good team far. And there are good teams that just need a QB...Alex will be fine there.
They should cut him so he can go to a team of his choice. After the debacle that has been the handling of our quarterback situation the past few week he deserves that. Although I agree with the choice Harbaugh made he didn't have to handle the way that he did.
Blizzuntz, I qualified my remark about alex with your admonitions, requiring good or great OL, good corps of WRs. If I didn't do it in this thread, I have noted that in others. Funny, the old adage, "lines build NFL teams" and OL before DL. But both are important. NFL teams are intent on drafting the skilled ball handlers, most of the high picks going to ball guys, (RBs, TEs, WRs, QBs). It is amazing how many teams , time and again fail to draft an OL to protect that first rd QB. We did it ourselves with alex....and NO OL. He performed exactly like one would imagine with no OL. Other hi draft pick QBs also have gone to teams needing QBs, but needing OL moreso. IN the last two yrs, we have seen a run on OL and DL players, not just the ball handling guys. Our team started to be built when we got staley, AD and upati. Same goes for DL which was very mediocre prior to 3 yrs ago.

So yes, alex will go to a team with a great OL, and if he doesn't make a great OL part of the package he is nuts. Alex is smart, and he is not going to a team with a lousy OL. WRs already established would help too. The statement that "hopefully alex will bring a 2nd rd pick" are so far off the mark it is funny. Just way too many teams out there, all mentioned above in thread, in dire need of a 70% completion passer. But they darn well better have a great OL to tempt him.
Originally posted by Pitts420420:
They should cut him so he can go to a team of his choice. After the debacle that has been the handling of our quarterback situation the past few week he deserves that. Although I agree with the choice Harbaugh made he didn't have to handle the way that he did.

Set him free at the end of the year so Alex can sign with whomever he wants. He'll get some interest in the open market but he'll be seen as a band aid quarterback and not a solution to any teams long term QB needs. He'll start for Miami, Jets or KC and will last 2 years before being replaced. I see Alex more in the role of a quality backup QB.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. What has CK done? Anyone? He had one good game and then an average game!
Originally posted by Camster41:
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. What has CK done? Anyone? He had one good game and then an average game!

There's a lot of emotions tied to Alex...one way or the other. People are either upset about this or excited...very few in between. Alex has been a very polarizing figure for 9er fandom.

For the same reason you'll hear people saying that either he's a very good qb or that he might have a future as a back-up...if that.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Nov 30, 2012 at 3:27 PM ]
Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by Geeked:
Well, I think some QB's can operate with far less than others. P.Manning, A.Rogers, and T.Brady come immediately to mind. Smith will need more support to be effective. I'd place him on the Matt Shaub level. Not too many QB's are in that group, mostly because of the necessary pieces that need to be in place before a Matt Shaub type QB can shine.

Tom Brady has a superb OL.

Ya, but he also gets rid of the ball real quick too and that distorts things. PM and AR had BAD offensive lines and are the reason their offenses work.
Originally posted by Kauaiguy:
Originally posted by da209:
When N. Turner gets canned and turner gets picked up as an OC if he and A. Smith will reconnect once again.

Norv Turner is destined to go to the Cowboys where he will work with Tony Romo and make him a better QB. Remember that Jerry Jones and Norve Turner are good friends. I can't see Turner going anywhere else as a Head Coach because I think he's proven that he is NOT head coach material and where he can flourish is being an excellent Offensive Coordinator.

However Jerry Jones may just give him a shot. If not Turner will be an Offensive Coordinator somewhere. I just think this makes sense.

I think Turner is destined for a College position. Teams can't ignore the whole "one and done" move he pulled with the 49ers. He's going to bolt for a HC job as soon as one pops up. However, I don't blame him for taking the Chargers HC job. Anyone with a brain in their head would've done the same thing in his position. Not as bad as the whole Kiffin Tennessee thing but very similar circumstances. Everyone understands, would do the same thing, but will never forgive.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Blizzuntz, I qualified my remark about alex with your admonitions, requiring good or great OL, good corps of WRs. If I didn't do it in this thread, I have noted that in others. Funny, the old adage, "lines build NFL teams" and OL before DL. But both are important. NFL teams are intent on drafting the skilled ball handlers, most of the high picks going to ball guys, (RBs, TEs, WRs, QBs). It is amazing how many teams , time and again fail to draft an OL to protect that first rd QB. We did it ourselves with alex....and NO OL. He performed exactly like one would imagine with no OL. Other hi draft pick QBs also have gone to teams needing QBs, but needing OL moreso. IN the last two yrs, we have seen a run on OL and DL players, not just the ball handling guys. Our team started to be built when we got staley, AD and upati. Same goes for DL which was very mediocre prior to 3 yrs ago.

So yes, alex will go to a team with a great OL, and if he doesn't make a great OL part of the package he is nuts. Alex is smart, and he is not going to a team with a lousy OL. WRs already established would help too. The statement that "hopefully alex will bring a 2nd rd pick" are so far off the mark it is funny. Just way too many teams out there, all mentioned above in thread, in dire need of a 70% completion passer. But they darn well better have a great OL to tempt him.

Our offensive line in addition to Vernon and Delanies beast blocking, makes the run game dominant most of the time. Defenses have to respect the front line. Other teams know it and we know it, and we still smother them.
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