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Will Jenkins and/or James be activated this season?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Who the f**k is Will Jenkins

Don't know but our team need a lot of Will power! So I'm in favor of starting him!

lol
Originally posted by stefano89:
jesus people are lookin really naive in here come on! you guys are overreacting to some draft picks not starting but you guys gotta step back an take a look at this an the team as a whole! if you dont realize yet, us not needing to start our draft picks IS A GOOD THING! i saw some ridiculous comment somewhere else on this board that said 'in todays nfl it is the type of league that if you do not start at least one of your rookies you will not have alot of success' i havent read something that ridiculous in a long time. who the heck do you think you are to say you have to start a rookie to be good ya u can look at the trends of other teams an see what the majority does but does that automatically mean thats the only way to do it? no thats crazy.we have a great team right now with great starters an thanks to that, we dont need alot of our backups many of which are rookies. ya we cud rotate a little more on the D line but that doesnt automatically mean it would have been a better pick to go for a linemen in the 1st or 2nd people are so quick to jump on an follow that popular opinion. OUR TEAMS BIGGEST NEED was offensive weapons an we took care of that need, idk whats so hard for some to see about that. we didnt need a LB, DL SS OR FS more than we needed a RB OR WR our offensive production was too low an we took care of that. now many say o they dont even play so how did pickin them help us, they dont play because the people ahead of them are better(thats a good thing). they have more expierence than the rookies and are the better choice to play right now. jenkin an james will get their time an plenty of it when they do everyone needs to stop freaking out just cuz they havent seen it yet. randy didnt go crazy when the year started an everyone freaked out over that too look at him now hes a dangerous weapon we use when necessary. james an jenkins are the same thing, if you guys ACTUALLY WATCH the niners youd have notice harbaugh is not the type of coach who takes un needed risks. he does what he needs to win an thats it he doesnt over do it. he uses what he needs to thats why he used randy when he needed to an we will use jenkins an james WHEN WE NEED TO. were 6-2-1, 1st place in the NFCW an on our way to the playoffs. harbaughs smart, hes going to use his weapons if he needs them to clinch a playoff berth and in the playoffs. would u rather have one of our best players dinged up from barely contributing all year or fresh an ready to go int he playoffs? he knows what hes doin hes going to use practice an maybe a few games to get jenkins an james ready an when the playoffs come he will unleash our weapons when we need them to win. besides that hes not going to use players unless we need them its that simple, watch how he coaches an uses the same players alot. its that simple.

TLDR

But ill humor you. The ridiculous poster you are more than likely refuring to is me. And you totally misquoted me. Badly i might add. Nowhere anywhere have i said anyone needs to start. I have said over and over again you need CONTRIBUTIONS year one from your draft class. I have stated over and over again, that the starters on this team are very good at almost every position, but also that we have extreme depth problems at very key positions, and also problems on ST.

Also, you come here with less than 20 posts and accuse posters on this board of not watching niner games. I have watched every snap of every 49er game since atleast 1996. Previous to that i probally missed a game here and there due to youth, but followed the Niners since I was six years old. Not only that but i was raised in a Cowboys household. Yes that included all the bad years. Never turned off a game or missed a snap even during blowouts. in 2002 when everyone left my home claiming the game was over, i sat in front of the TV, never giving up hope, and watched the biggest comeback in playoff history. I have a 49er shrine that stays up year round, even durring christmas when my wife desperately wants me to take it down so she can put up decorations. The stockings hang below my shrine. I haven't lived in the state for over 5 years and have still not missed a snap. I know there are alot of old timers on this board that have been around longer than me, some of them agree with me some of them disagree with me, but I have earned the right to be critical of this team if i see fit, as have they.

Now that that is out of the way, Everything else you posted is pretty much ridiculous nonsense and not worth comment.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Thats the problem. This team is not so deep that we can afford to sit our entire draft class. We are very good at the front of the roster, after that the depth is greatly overstated, save for WR,RB and QB.

You also have to remember, at the time we had a healthy Parys Haralson which would have given us 3 solid guys at OLB (Smith, Brooks, and Haralson). Then considering we drafted Cam Johnson and Darius Fleming, I think Baalke prepared us to have some decent depth at that position. This is the main position where people say we have no depth. Who knew we would've gotten hit by the injury bug that hard at one position?

Defensive line is a little bit of a mystery. We have some guys in Dobb, Tufuaku, and Williams, but they play on an extremely limited basis. I don't know if it's because they are that bad or the drop off is that far, but the coaching staff has done all they can to keep these guys on the roster, so there has to be something there. It would be great if we could see that something every now and again. The only thing extra I think the coaching staff could have done is to have signed or drafted a tackle that could've backed up Staley and Boone. So yes, the depth is there (or was there in the case of OLB).

Next year is going to be interesting because we will still have a good team with A LOT of young talent (2012 + 2013 draft picks).
I have a theory on our draft picks and free agent pickups. Last year Jim Harbaugh spent his first year with this team. He knew who Frank Gore was and our stars and whatever he knew about the rest of the team. After one year of evaluation, he determined a couple things.

Frank Gore is still a great RB but maybe not a workhorse anymore. So he drafts LMJ for the future and Jacobs for the now. Thing is, Frank Gore is playing out of his mind this season, might have a career year, and taking any more snaps from him would hurt the team more than help.

Our receiving corps was in shambles with Crabtree still in development, and not much else behind him worth starting. So he drafts AJJ. Now I believe he brought Moss in as camp fodder who could also be another WR coach. Thing is Moss showed signs of him old self and made the cut, Manningham is clearly better than our rookie AJJ, Crabtree is playing better than ever and also will have a career year. Not to mention Kyle Williams is showing he has the tools to be a great receiver.

Basically Harbaugh could not be sure what he had. An aging running back and a weak receiving corps. Nobody knew if Moss was washed up and Manningham was never considered a #1 receiver. Our players that were already on the roster stepped up and showed great improvements. I believe Harbaugh was wrong in his initial evaluation of THIS seasons talent and i'm sure he was pleasantly surprised.

Just a theory though. :)
Next year, Gore will be a year older, Jacobs will be gone and Dixon is worthless as a RB. That leaves Gore, Hunter and LMJ. It will all work out.


Next year, Crabs, Rio and Williams are the only legit starters. Randy is probably gone. Its likely Jenkins will get in the four man rotation of Crabs,Rio and Williams. I like that line up. Williams has show he can get open all over the field, Smith just has a hard time hitting him for whatever reason.
Originally posted by jvangeystel:
I have a theory on our draft picks and free agent pickups. Last year Jim Harbaugh spent his first year with this team. He knew who Frank Gore was and our stars and whatever he knew about the rest of the team. After one year of evaluation, he determined a couple things.

Frank Gore is still a great RB but maybe not a workhorse anymore. So he drafts LMJ for the future and Jacobs for the now. Thing is, Frank Gore is playing out of his mind this season, might have a career year, and taking any more snaps from him would hurt the team more than help.

Our receiving corps was in shambles with Crabtree still in development, and not much else behind him worth starting. So he drafts AJJ. Now I believe he brought Moss in as camp fodder who could also be another WR coach. Thing is Moss showed signs of him old self and made the cut, Manningham is clearly better than our rookie AJJ, Crabtree is playing better than ever and also will have a career year. Not to mention Kyle Williams is showing he has the tools to be a great receiver.

Basically Harbaugh could not be sure what he had. An aging running back and a weak receiving corps. Nobody knew if Moss was washed up and Manningham was never considered a #1 receiver. Our players that were already on the roster stepped up and showed great improvements. I believe Harbaugh was wrong in his initial evaluation of THIS seasons talent and i'm sure he was pleasantly surprised.

Just a theory though. :)
Good post and I agree 100 percent.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SFrush:
Courtney Upshaw at 30? pass. He wasn't a good pass rusher at Alabama and he won't be one in the NFL.

would you like depth at OLB now or have a WR that never starts?

short sightedness as its finest
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SFrush:
Courtney Upshaw at 30? pass. He wasn't a good pass rusher at Alabama and he won't be one in the NFL.

would you like depth at OLB now or have a WR that never starts?

short sightedness as its finest
not really
Originally posted by jreff22:
not really

They were prepared to go into the season with 5 OLBs. Unless someone was going to loan them a crystal ball, who would've known that 2 of those guys would suffer season ending injuries?
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by stefano89:
jesus people are lookin really naive in here come on! you guys are overreacting to some draft picks not starting but you guys gotta step back an take a look at this an the team as a whole! if you dont realize yet, us not needing to start our draft picks IS A GOOD THING! i saw some ridiculous comment somewhere else on this board that said 'in todays nfl it is the type of league that if you do not start at least one of your rookies you will not have alot of success' i havent read something that ridiculous in a long time. who the heck do you think you are to say you have to start a rookie to be good ya u can look at the trends of other teams an see what the majority does but does that automatically mean thats the only way to do it? no thats crazy.we have a great team right now with great starters an thanks to that, we dont need alot of our backups many of which are rookies. ya we cud rotate a little more on the D line but that doesnt automatically mean it would have been a better pick to go for a linemen in the 1st or 2nd people are so quick to jump on an follow that popular opinion. OUR TEAMS BIGGEST NEED was offensive weapons an we took care of that need, idk whats so hard for some to see about that. we didnt need a LB, DL SS OR FS more than we needed a RB OR WR our offensive production was too low an we took care of that. now many say o they dont even play so how did pickin them help us, they dont play because the people ahead of them are better(thats a good thing). they have more expierence than the rookies and are the better choice to play right now. jenkin an james will get their time an plenty of it when they do everyone needs to stop freaking out just cuz they havent seen it yet. randy didnt go crazy when the year started an everyone freaked out over that too look at him now hes a dangerous weapon we use when necessary. james an jenkins are the same thing, if you guys ACTUALLY WATCH the niners youd have notice harbaugh is not the type of coach who takes un needed risks. he does what he needs to win an thats it he doesnt over do it. he uses what he needs to thats why he used randy when he needed to an we will use jenkins an james WHEN WE NEED TO. were 6-2-1, 1st place in the NFCW an on our way to the playoffs. harbaughs smart, hes going to use his weapons if he needs them to clinch a playoff berth and in the playoffs. would u rather have one of our best players dinged up from barely contributing all year or fresh an ready to go int he playoffs? he knows what hes doin hes going to use practice an maybe a few games to get jenkins an james ready an when the playoffs come he will unleash our weapons when we need them to win. besides that hes not going to use players unless we need them its that simple, watch how he coaches an uses the same players alot. its that simple.

TLDR

But ill humor you. The ridiculous poster you are more than likely refuring to is me. And you totally misquoted me. Badly i might add. Nowhere anywhere have i said anyone needs to start. I have said over and over again you need CONTRIBUTIONS year one from your draft class. I have stated over and over again, that the starters on this team are very good at almost every position, but also that we have extreme depth problems at very key positions, and also problems on ST.

Also, you come here with less than 20 posts and accuse posters on this board of not watching niner games. I have watched every snap of every 49er game since atleast 1996. Previous to that i probally missed a game here and there due to youth, but followed the Niners since I was six years old. Not only that but i was raised in a Cowboys household. Yes that included all the bad years. Never turned off a game or missed a snap even during blowouts. in 2002 when everyone left my home claiming the game was over, i sat in front of the TV, never giving up hope, and watched the biggest comeback in playoff history. I have a 49er shrine that stays up year round, even durring christmas when my wife desperately wants me to take it down so she can put up decorations. The stockings hang below my shrine. I haven't lived in the state for over 5 years and have still not missed a snap. I know there are alot of old timers on this board that have been around longer than me, some of them agree with me some of them disagree with me, but I have earned the right to be critical of this team if i see fit, as have they.

Now that that is out of the way, Everything else you posted is pretty much ridiculous nonsense and not worth comment.

I think it best if this conversation goes no further.
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Next year, Gore will be a year older, Jacobs will be gone and Dixon is worthless as a RB. That leaves Gore, Hunter and LMJ. It will all work out.


Next year, Crabs, Rio and Williams are the only legit starters. Randy is probably gone. Its likely Jenkins will get in the four man rotation of Crabs,Rio and Williams. I like that line up. Williams has show he can get open all over the field, Smith just has a hard time hitting him for whatever reason.
i think gore will have another one or two years, I am sure the reasons for signing jacobs were good but so far that has been a train wreck, maybe it will still work out but i do not think so. I think you summed up the life and times of dixon pretty well. we need to find some guys who can muti task and be great special team players. i have no clue on if that means free agents or rookies but that is a glaring need that is killing us in games esp big games vs good teams this year
Gore has 1-2 solid years left. Dixon will be gone [I hope] Jacobs will be gone and his signing at the time was solid. He look excellent in the exhibition game he played in

Next season Gore, Hunter, LMJ, Miller in the backfield. Crabs, Manningham, KW, AJ at WR.

Moss might be back - real tough call. I have a good feeling he'll show up big-time in the playoffs.

Big question about Ginn. He is a very good KO returner but it may not be enough to keep him.

Also, big-time cap challenges.
no/yes
The moment we drafted LaMichael, I thot" wow, we are stocked well enough that we can draft a situational pick at #2." My thinking was a redux of Darren Sproles , but used to split wide of alex and as the ball is snapped, alex slings it to James in the backfield. Then let the D try to tackle him...and only in situational, 3rd down roles. Well , that obviously never happened, perhaps because james was used between the tackles in college, and we got two great runners there already, frank and hunter. No need for James there. So I figured Coach planned to use him exclusively on a swing pass behind the LOS , split wide, 3rd downs only. Who knows, that may still happen. What i didn't know until training camp and that was James has trouble fumbling punts. And i don't think coach really wanted to see that on the field. Maybe if he fumbles punts, he can't catch swing passes either. Man , I sure hope not. But i would love to see him used just like that tomorrow nite. As for jenkins, why he isn't suited up is a stumper, altho on a typical nite, alex may throw passes to 8, or 9, or maybe 10 guys...frank, Delanie, vernon, hunter, manningham, moss, celek, miller,crabtre, Ginn.. One more makes no sense, so we carry an extra LB or DB or OL or DL., i forget which. It also probably means we won't really see Jenkins this yr and Ginn, moss, mario...one or more of those guys leave at end of yr. Also I wonder if crbtre stays around in his contract yr. Jenkins was probably meant for that, but still, at #1? Passing strange, or so it seems.
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
The moment we drafted LaMichael, I thot" wow, we are stocked well enough that we can draft a situational pick at #2." My thinking was a redux of Darren Sproles , but used to split wide of alex and as the ball is snapped, alex slings it to James in the backfield. Then let the D try to tackle him...and only in situational, 3rd down roles. Well , that obviously never happened, perhaps because james was used between the tackles in college, and we got two great runners there already, frank and hunter. No need for James there. So I figured Coach planned to use him exclusively on a swing pass behind the LOS , split wide, 3rd downs only. Who knows, that may still happen. What i didn't know until training camp and that was James has trouble fumbling punts. And i don't think coach really wanted to see that on the field. Maybe if he fumbles punts, he can't catch swing passes either. Man , I sure hope not. But i would love to see him used just like that tomorrow nite. As for jenkins, why he isn't suited up is a stumper, altho on a typical nite, alex may throw passes to 8, or 9, or maybe 10 guys...frank, Delanie, vernon, hunter, manningham, moss, celek, miller,crabtre, Ginn.. One more makes no sense, so we carry an extra LB or DB or OL or DL., i forget which. It also probably means we won't really see Jenkins this yr and Ginn, moss, mario...one or more of those guys leave at end of yr. Also I wonder if crbtre stays around in his contract yr. Jenkins was probably meant for that, but still, at #1? Passing strange, or so it seems.
not to mention drafting a lineman with a broken foot,,, what a terrible draft. those kind of drafts can set back a franchise