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Ted Ginn Jr or Kyle Williams?

Ted Ginn Jr or Kyle Williams?

I'm a bit unclear on Ginn. He was to be a starting receiver on top of the return role. I love his return ability, but think he should be our #4 receiver. What we'd seen earlier is that when he's healthy, they were projecting him as the #2 receiver.

I'm in a wait and see position here, but I'd certainly hope we continue to give KW significant snaps at WR.
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Originally posted by mug0mug:
I'm a bit unclear on Ginn. He was to be a starting receiver on top of the return role. I love his return ability, but think he should be our #4 receiver. What we'd seen earlier is that when he's healthy, they were projecting him as the #2 receiver.

I'm in a wait and see position here, but I'd certainly hope we continue to give KW significant snaps at WR.

Are you basing this off of the pre-season? Ginn hasn't been a starting receiver at any point since we brought him here. Harbaugh was easing Moss into the lineup and Manningham missed 75% of the pre-season for various reason. Those are the only reasons Ginn was a "starting" receiver during the preseason.

They never projected him to be anything but a backup, if anyone thought Manningham would be coming off the bench for us then I would just have to call them foolish(not calling you foolish by the way - its directed at talking heads, media ).

Williams is the #3 and starting slot receiver, whenever we go 3 wide its Crabs, Ham, and KW out there. If Crabtree or Manningham went down and we stayed in 2 wide sets then it would be KW out there and during 3 wides Ginn would come in as the #3 and we'd move KW back into the slot.

Right now Williams is completely entrenched as the starting slot receiver and first player off the bench in the event of an injury to the top 2. This wont change all year, Jenkins is redshirting and will change Williams for the #3 next TC. Ginn will likely be gone or will have to be content with being the #5 WR, maybe even 6th if we finally draft a situational red zone guy in the middle rounds.
Originally posted by sfout:
Are you basing this off of the pre-season? Ginn hasn't been a starting receiver at any point since we brought him here. Harbaugh was easing Moss into the lineup and Manningham missed 75% of the pre-season for various reason. Those are the only reasons Ginn was a "starting" receiver during the preseason.

They never projected him to be anything but a backup, if anyone thought Manningham would be coming off the bench for us then I would just have to call them foolish(not calling you foolish by the way - its directed at talking heads, media ).

Williams is the #3 and starting slot receiver, whenever we go 3 wide its Crabs, Ham, and KW out there. If Crabtree or Manningham went down and we stayed in 2 wide sets then it would be KW out there and during 3 wides Ginn would come in as the #3 and we'd move KW back into the slot.

Right now Williams is completely entrenched as the starting slot receiver and first player off the bench in the event of an injury to the top 2. This wont change all year, Jenkins is redshirting and will change Williams for the #3 next TC. Ginn will likely be gone or will have to be content with being the #5 WR, maybe even 6th if we finally draft a situational red zone guy in the middle rounds.

This. But ill add Ginn has never been a starting Caliber WR since he entered the league. Hes gone next year. Hes to fragile and doesnt bring enough to the table to let him eat another roster spot next year.

Crabs, Manningham, KW, and Jenkins should be the 4 that we really try to work into the system and work the system around. I would personally cut Moss as i dont think he brings much to the table that the other WR's dont bring, and i would rather get jenkins some snaps, especially at the end of games like we have had the last two weeks. Those would have been great oportunities for Jenkins to work.
I believe Mugs is talking about an article listing Ginn as a starter at the end of the preseason. Not sure where it came from but do remember thinking...huh?
Would not think of cutting Moss. He has the skills and vet savvy to be a threat down the stretch... so long as his effort and attitude hold up.

Jenkins will get his time late in the season or in next season. Ginn gets the return duties until it's clear that Kyle W is the better option. I think Ginn will shake off the rust and remind us of what he can do... and if not? Kyle W. has looked pretty good.
Past history aside...right now KW is the more productive player.
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I believe Mugs is talking about an article listing Ginn as a starter at the end of the preseason. Not sure where it came from but do remember thinking...huh?

Thats what I acknowledged in my post. whichever talking head said Ginn was going to start for us was just plain dumb, especially because the buzz for all of pre-season was that Moss would start opposite crabtree with Manningham being the first guy off the bench.

Now 5 weeks into the season it couldn't be further from the truth with Crabs and Manningham starting with KW being the first guy off the bench.
Ginn may still need to find his rhythmn since he was inactive, but right now he sucks even as a punt returner. Kyle is definately the better wr and KR, and statiscally, is better than Ginn so far this season, although Kyle has faircatched a little more than you'd like.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Ginn may still need to find his rhythmn since he was inactive, but right now he sucks even as a punt returner. Kyle is definately the better wr and KR, and statiscally, is better than Ginn so far this season, although Kyle has faircatched a little more than you'd like.

I don't think there is any question about Williams being the better WR, but when Ginn gets back to full strength he is much more dangerous as a return specialist. Williams has exceeded my expectations this year, not only protecting the ball but also getting some really nice runs.
Originally posted by kray28:
Past history aside...right now KW is the more productive player.


Ginn missed weeks in a row at the beginning of the season. So you are counting a guy who was playing vs. no play at all.... He was hurt. When healthy Ginn has been a top 5 return man his whole career. Maybe even top 3 at times. You can't say that about Williams who had one big 94 yard return that everybody gets so hyped about. And what this whole thing is all about anyway (guys saw 1 big return and got hyped). But you got to go on the body of work over time. Not 1 return.

Plus I can show you 2 returns in the NFC Championship game that don't look so swell.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by kray28:
Past history aside...right now KW is the more productive player.


Ginn missed weeks in a row at the beginning of the season. So you are counting a guy who was playing vs. no play at all.... He was hurt. When healthy Ginn has been a top 5 return man his whole career. Maybe even top 3 at times. You can't say that about Williams who had one big 94 yard return that everybody gets so hyped about. And what this whole thing is all about anyway (guys saw 1 big return and got hyped). But you got to go on the body of work over time. Not 1 return.

Plus I can show you 2 returns in the NFC Championship game that don't look so swell.

Well, lets be honest here. Every Ginn supporter is basing their judgment on last year, and not ginns body of work over his career. There was a reason Miami traded him for peanuts, and he couldnt find a jod on another team as a FA.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by kray28:
Past history aside...right now KW is the more productive player.


Ginn missed weeks in a row at the beginning of the season. So you are counting a guy who was playing vs. no play at all.... He was hurt. When healthy Ginn has been a top 5 return man his whole career. Maybe even top 3 at times. You can't say that about Williams who had one big 94 yard return that everybody gets so hyped about. And what this whole thing is all about anyway (guys saw 1 big return and got hyped). But you got to go on the body of work over time. Not 1 return.

Plus I can show you 2 returns in the NFC Championship game that don't look so swell.

Well, lets be honest here. Every Ginn supporter is basing their judgment on last year, and not ginns body of work over his career. There was a reason Miami traded him for peanuts, and he couldnt find a jod on another team as a FA.


He was let go because....

1) He was picked super high.
2) This leads to a HUGE salary.
3) He is a return specialist.
4) He is not a very effective WR.

Other teams were not interested in FA because he told them he wants to be a WR. Not a return guy.
KW's got it all over Ginn in both the receiving and KR dept's. Ginn's being all tentative and p***y-like again and that just won't cut it.
Sometimes I think the WZ 49er fan attention span is about 1 or 2 or 3 weeks. Because that's the only way you can make sense out of this thread for 7 pages. The whole body of work is what matters in the NFL. I bet a lot of these guys can't even remember September or August of 2012 and what was going on in their lives...
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Oct 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM ]
One of them needs to go, we should activate Jacobs, to help our power running game, but cutting Dixon would hurt our already poor coverage team, this roster needs some midseason tweaking...