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Where the hell are James and Jenkins

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
In a way I think its good, they should be very hungry when they do get to start. Psychological warfare.

Or try to hard and do something stupid.

Prefer them to by confident but relaxed.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You will see them in 2013. Who do you want to bench so they can play? Name it. Instead of just talking smack like you guys always do.


Still waiting. Who are the names? Maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.....


Still waiting......

Alex Smith & Kyle?
Fans should be more concerned about James than Jenkins. While WR's take some time to develop, rookie RB's can make a big impact right away, whether in a starting role, change of pace back, third round specialist, or special teamer. Since their shelf life is smaller than a WR, the clock is ticking on these guys. Not a good sign that the team has not found a place for him so far....but, it is early in the game. Everyone should know by now my dislike of the selection, seeing a similar player like Chris Rainey selected 4 rounds later at better value....but once again, too early to be upset.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Fans should be more concerned about James than Jenkins. While WR's take some time to develop, rookie RB's can make a big impact right away, whether in a starting role, change of pace back, third round specialist, or special teamer. Since their shelf life is smaller than a WR, the clock is ticking on these guys. Not a good sign that the team has not found a place for him so far....but, it is early in the game. Everyone should know by now my dislike of the selection, seeing a similar player like Chris Rainey selected 4 rounds later at better value....but once again, too early to be upset.


So here are my "Jamescuses". I think they are legitimate.

He didn't light up the preseason like we have seen in the past with other RB draft picks.
He also looked really bad at fielding punts, which further hurt his reputation.

However, I think the above two points are the only reasonable knocks against him. Because...
He is not going to beat out Gore.
He is not going to beat out Hunter. Hunter is an excellent running back, and almost all fans agree with that. He is coming into his second season with experience and it would have been super difficult for ANY rookie RB in this year's draft to take his place; except for perhaps some of the first round picks.
He is not going to beat out Jacobs. Jacobs role on the team is to be a super huge short yardage steam roller. LMJ does not fit that description, no matter how good he is.
He is not going to beat out Dixon. Dixon is a great special teams player, he has the ideal blend of size and speed for special teams. LMJ is too small for special teams, and he is not going to take on blockers, or be a blocker, on special teams.

The only player he could have reasonably replaced is Hunter, and Hunter is just too darn good and experienced to get replaced by a scat back like LMJ. I think he is just as legitimately a victim of the numbers game as Jenkins.
I agree that you want to see instant impact with a running back, but with James, it is either Hunter or nothing. Similar to Jenkins, where I think it is either Manningham or nothing.

We have too many good players on the team right now. That is the biggest problem with these guys seeing the field. I thought LMJ would make a bigger impact at this point. But he's not a fit with special teams, so what can we do? Maybe when Jacobs comes back, we could pull Hunter for a game, and mix it up with LMJ. I would love to see him on the field at some point.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Pro day doesn't mean anything. It's often on a fast rubber track with spikes. Track shoes. And the players "game the system." They are used to their home track to run on. The combine surface comparese apples to apples. It's an equal surface to run on. Therfore it compares guys fairly to eachother. Manningham and Williams don't run those times. They run what they ran at the Indianapolis combine. Put Vernon Davis on fast rubber track indoors in track shoes and he will run a 4.2. The surface matters a lot. The most accurate time is Indy. It's the same surface for all players. You can't cheat. Not one player on a faster surface and one on a slower surface.

Lol sd my point was no matter how you look at manningham is a high 4.5 guy and the two fast people on offense besides vd are ginn and williams and they rarely see the field. I am fully aware of pro day track bias, but it doesnt change my point. Right now the "speed and explosion" of our offense is the exact same as last year with manningham replacing what morgan brought to the table. We wont see anything different from last year until jenkins and james get on the field.


I'm fine with getting Jenkins on the field to add speed. That's why we drafted him. And yes Williams, Ginn, VD and Jenkins are pretty much our "fast guys."
Coach H could have played both guys , sparingly, but they also could have made rookie mistakes, and conveivably, helped us lose two more games. I truly think both are on the bench because Coach doesn't feel comfortable with either yet, and isn't about to have one or the other make a rookie mistake that loses us a game. They both need to sit, until they can be counted on not to lose us a winnable game.
A lot of really good points.

Here's my take. Our Offensive philosophy SEEMS to be of not getting a big lead but getting a lead and grinding the game out. We should have won to first 2 games by wide margins.

At any rate, JH won't [and I agree] put untested rookies in close games. AND predictably the games will all be close because that's the philosophy. 14 points is a close game to me since many NFL teams can score rapidly.
  • mayo49
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It would have been a better pick if it was made when Fwankie retired.
Originally posted by mayo49:
It would have been a better pick if it was made when Fwankie retired.

only needed him to stay in school for 3 more years lol
Maybe they are on the 7 year plan.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
So here are my "Jamescuses". I think they are legitimate.

He didn't light up the preseason like we have seen in the past with other RB draft picks.
He also looked really bad at fielding punts, which further hurt his reputation.

However, I think the above two points are the only reasonable knocks against him. Because...
He is not going to beat out Gore.
He is not going to beat out Hunter. Hunter is an excellent running back, and almost all fans agree with that. He is coming into his second season with experience and it would have been super difficult for ANY rookie RB in this year's draft to take his place; except for perhaps some of the first round picks.
He is not going to beat out Jacobs. Jacobs role on the team is to be a super huge short yardage steam roller. LMJ does not fit that description, no matter how good he is.
He is not going to beat out Dixon. Dixon is a great special teams player, he has the ideal blend of size and speed for special teams. LMJ is too small for special teams, and he is not going to take on blockers, or be a blocker, on special teams.

The only player he could have reasonably replaced is Hunter, and Hunter is just too darn good and experienced to get replaced by a scat back like LMJ. I think he is just as legitimately a victim of the numbers game as Jenkins.
I agree that you want to see instant impact with a running back, but with James, it is either Hunter or nothing. Similar to Jenkins, where I think it is either Manningham or nothing.

We have too many good players on the team right now. That is the biggest problem with these guys seeing the field. I thought LMJ would make a bigger impact at this point. But he's not a fit with special teams, so what can we do? Maybe when Jacobs comes back, we could pull Hunter for a game, and mix it up with LMJ. I would love to see him on the field at some point.

My Problem...

Hunter played last year and was taken a round later then James. So we were able to trust a 3rd rounder but not a 2nd rounder...and all the while our FA RB was hurt and not active. Even worse we trusted a late round OLB to start at FB and play the whole damn season.
Originally posted by jreff22:
My Problem...

Hunter played last year and was taken a round later then James. So we were able to trust a 3rd rounder but not a 2nd rounder...and all the while our FA RB was hurt and not active. Even worse we trusted a late round OLB to start at FB and play the whole damn season.

Problem solved....Besides Gore, who did we have to take over if not Hunter? It was a matter of neccessity.
  • sfout
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Originally posted by jreff22:
My Problem...

Hunter played last year and was taken a round later then James. So we were able to trust a 3rd rounder but not a 2nd rounder...and all the while our FA RB was hurt and not active. Even worse we trusted a late round OLB to start at FB and play the whole damn season.

to make your point even more valid. Hunter was a 4th round choice but I do think we might see James this weekend. 5 active RBs might be a little ridiculous but I could see it. The Jets run D has be beyond disgraceful so far this season and we have 4 RBs that could break out a big play at any moment(James is TDB but I'll still count him lol)

But dont bring Miller into this, his transformation is a perfect storm of his tenacity and athleticism plus Rathman's amazing coaching skills. Just because we took Miller in the 7th round doesn't mean he isn't an amazing player.
[ Edited by sfout on Sep 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM ]
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by jreff22:
My Problem...

Hunter played last year and was taken a round later then James. So we were able to trust a 3rd rounder but not a 2nd rounder...and all the while our FA RB was hurt and not active. Even worse we trusted a late round OLB to start at FB and play the whole damn season.

Problem solved....Besides Gore, who did we have to take over if not Hunter? It was a matter of neccessity.
Good point. Made a mistake he was a 4th rounder. But still, we can trust a 4th rounder but cant dress a 2nd rounder.....
The fact that people debate that Manningham is not a burner is quite laughable and makes the WZ sad....

That highlight of video of Ham was 90% deep passes!!!