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Webzoners Final 53 Man Rosters

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I'm leaning toward either cutting or training Ted Ginn. Too many injuries too often. This would allow the team to protect Owusu or Palmer on the 53.

7 WR's on a team that uses a lot of 2 TE sets...?
[ Edited by NickSh49 on Aug 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM ]
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I'm leaning toward either cutting or training Ted Ginn. Too many injuries too often. This would allow the team to protect Owusu or Palmer on the 53.

7 WR's on a team that uses a lot of 2 TE sets...?


Lol Owusu and Palmer are not worthy of protecting..especially for a Pro-Bowl Candidate return man
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Dixon will make it over Cartwright.

AGREED! Cartwright is older, an he hasn't show much on offense, and dixon is equal to him on special teams. Also, dixon looks like he's willing to do anything to get playing time.
i think cartwright is a serviceable RB but dixon is better at ST and if jacobs goes down again we will have no big back so ill go with dixon over cartwright. and ill substitute konrad for brock. Brock had an awful game but a #5 CB is never better than brock and dobbs will be a good #3 TE

other than that i think ur line up is solid
I'm not on board with only 4 CBs. I think Brock makes the team. I know he hasnt played well this preseason, but he's a decent #5 CB.
My 53 Man Prediction:

OFFENSE: 26
QB: Smith 11 Kaepernick 7 Tolzien 3
RB: Gore 21 Hunter 32 Jacobs 45 James 23
FB: Miller 49
WR: Crabs 15 Jenkins 17 Ginn 19
WR: Moss 84 Manningham 82 Williams 10
TE: VD 85 Walker 46 Rueland 88
LT: Staley 74
LG: Iupati 77 Looney 66
C: Goodwin 59 Kilgore 67
RG: Boone 75 L.Davis 68
RT: Davis 76 Person 78

DEFENSE:
RE: J.Smith 94 Dobbs 40
NT: Soap 90 Ian 93
LE: RayMac 91 RickyJ 95
OLB: Aldon 99 Haralson 98
MLB: Bowman 53 Gooden 56
MLB: Willis 52 Grant 54
OLB: Brooks 55 Bakhtiari 44
CB: Brown 25 Cox 20 Brock 26
FS: Goldson 38 Robinson 30
SS: Whitner 31 Spillman 27
CB: Rogers 22 Culliver 29

ST:
K Akers 2
P: Lee 4
LS: Jennings 86
ST Spec: Dixon 24 or Jones 43

Practice Squad:
1 RB HAmpton
2 WR Owusu
3 WR Palmer
4 OT Hall
5 DE Jerod Eddie
6 LB Wilhoite
7 S Thomas
8 CB Mosley

Notable Cuts
Anthony Dixon, Rock Cartwright, Josh Johnson (all players who don't possess much long term upside and are victim to simple numbers game)

While we lose some players who were previous special teams aces (notably: Cartwright, Dixon, and Jones), these players don't provide enough value as positional players to keep around and we have other ST aces to replace them (Bakhtiari, Gooden, Spillman, McBath), but provide more upside as solid second string positional players.

One reason this team was as good as it was on special teams is that the ST coach was allowed to keep a number of ST only players. If they veer away from that he may leave and the ST will decline. It's a balancing act and you may be right if they really like others on STs but guys like Jones and Cartwright really know how to get the most from STs. Plus, Cartwright has looked OK running the ball...surprisingly.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Aug 28, 2012 at 6:56 AM ]
Now that the first cut downs are in the 53-man picture should be getting clearer. I really don't see this changing much as we draw closer to the final 53. This is perhaps the easiest 53-man NFL roster to predict. There's one true starting spot up for grabs – WR. And most back-up spots are spoken for as well. But that don't mean there won't be some hard decisions for JH & Co. and some shocker cuts and dark horse players that make it. I honestly think the NFL should expand the roster to 60 and PS to 12.

QB: 3
Alex Smith
Colin Kaepernick
Scott Tolzien

The QB situation is pretty much settled. I think, lately Colin Kaepernick has played better, especially against the Broncos. Personally, I'd like us to keep only 2 QB's. I just don't think we need 3, but I don't see JH keeping only 2 given that we don't have a long-term QB. If Alex takes us to the SB, win or lose, he will have earned that hands down.
I'm not a big fan of Kaepernick, but it seems that JH is, and I trust his judgment. I like J.J. If I had my way it'll be Smith, Tolzien, and J.J., in that order. I really hope they trade Kaepernick.

RB: 4
Frank Gore
Kendall Hunter
Brandon Jacobs

LaMichael James This is a crowded backfield, and I think Jacobs will be on the short end of the carries. Hunter is the featured back of the future. James will be the change-of-pace back, though he's still a work in progress. I see us drafting a true throwback powerback somewhere in the 2013 draft. Jacobs won't be with this team more than one season. Personally, I like Dixon. I think he's beginning to "get it" and honestly hopes he beats out Jacobs. I'm just a bigger fan of home-grown developed talent than a FA acquisition. In my mind if Dixon becomes that powerback JH and Coach Rathman wants I think he brings more value to the squad given he's a great ST player.

FB: 1
Bruce Miller

Will Tukuafu and Demarcus Dobbs makes a need for another FB unnecessary.

WR: 6
Michael Crabtree
A. J. Jenkins
Mario Manningham
Kyle Williams
Randy Moss
Nathan Palmer/Chris Owusu
(In that order!)

This is gonna be a make-or-break season for Crabs – no more excuses. I think we keep 6 WR's. Just way too much talent to risk on the PS. Plus, JH isn't going to allow the WR position to expose this team another season. I still don't see Ginn making it, unless he DRASTICALLY improves at his craft and be "available". Plus, Ginn just won't stay healthy (available). With the depth at this position this team won't suffer many one-dimensional players. Now, I'm not afraid to be wrong here. Kyle Williams could be the one out and Ginn in, but I doubt it. (And I won't be irate if Ginn made it either. I trust JH.) Kyle is the far superior WR than Ginn. Either Palmer or Owusu will break through the 53, but won't be active on game days. Both have return abilities and are better WR's than Ginn, especially Owusu. I have really changed my mind about Moss since he joined the team. But unlike most Zoners I seriously doubt that Moss will play the major role that most here think he will. JH has stated a play count for Randy. I cannot see him starting on a defined play count. Plus, unless I was watching another team I didn't see Moss separate himself as a starter. And I just haven't seen much of Manningham this preseason to see him as a starter. Maybe they are holding him back but from where I sit Manningham has had a pretty quiet preseason. I think A.J. will be the 2nd WR starter – at least by the bye – and will be a MAJOR factor in this offence. I know he's struggled a bit in beginning of camp and many around here declared him a bust. But his very diverse skill-set will open things up this offense more than any WR on our roster, and therefore gives this team more on-the-field options. Does he need to bulk up to hold up to the NFL press and get better? Sure he does! He's a rookie. But that's why NFL teams have strength and conditioning staffs. A. J. will be fine. I think too many fans are really underestimating A.J.

OT: 3
Joe Staley
Anthony Davis
Mike Person/Kenny Wiggins

OG: 3
Mike Iupati
Alex Boone
Joe Looney

C: 2
Jonathon Goodwin
Daniel Kilgore

8 offensive linemen. I really don't think Leonard Davis is gonna make this team. I really think he was brought in to push newly minted G Alex Boone. But it looks as if Boone has a firm choke hold on that spot as he's transitioned nicely. Look for Boone to have a Pro Bowl-like season. Daniel Kilgore is the better value because he'll play center and G, and he's younger. Either Mike Person or Kenny Wiggins will break through. I thought Slowey would last longer but I think he'll make it back to our PS. Make no mistake about it, this will be THE most punishing O-line in the league.

TE: 2
Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Nothing to see here.

DE: 4
Justin Smith
Ray McDonald
Will Tukuafu

Demarcus Dobbs I don't see any of the rookies breaking through here as JH & Co. are high on Dobbs and Tukuafu. They are valuable two-way players now. I guarantee you this will (re)start an NFL trend.

NT: 2
Isaac Sopoaga
Ricky Jean Francois

No Ian Williams. I think he'll fall victim to the "value" bug. With "value" being a major emphasis for players on the periphery of the starting lineup, and with Dobbs and Tukuafu making themselves valuable in other positions, Ian Williams' roster spot is extremely vulnerable.

OLB: 4
Aldon Smith
Ahmad Brooks
Parys Haralson
Cam Johnson/Eric Bakhtiari

ILB: 4
Patrick Willis
NaVorro Bowman
Larry Grant
Tavares Gooden

No elaboration needed here.

CB: 5
Carlos Rogers
Terrell Brown
Chris Culliver
Parrish Cox
Darcel McBath/Tramaine Brock.

I think we keep 5 CB's. Personally, I think we should keep 6. I think that's an extremely talented group, and I think this corps is gonna really surprise some people. It's behind the top 3 that worry me. I really haven't been happy with the play of Tramaine Brock this preseason. Every time I saw him he looked like garbage. I'm really hoping that McBath can beat him out.

F/SS: 5
Deshon Goldson
Donte Whitner
Trent Robinson
C.J. Spillman
Michael Thomas

I know, 5 safeties. I admit that's a stretch. But JH & Co. aren't gonna let ALL the young talent go. A lot of teams had very large eyes on Michael Thomas before we nabbed him. On a safety-staved team he at least strongly competes for a starting role. Plus in a league that shamefully favors the offense and the passing game you just can't have enough secondary guys. JH & Co. would be wise to find a way to keep him. Goldson is 50-50, at best, to return in 2013. Goldson feels he's worth more and there's nothing that'll get him off that (not saying that he's not worth more). Trent Robinson, I think, is gonna be good, but he's gonna be bit of a project. Michael Thomas has the potential to push and surpass Trent Robinson. Plus at 5-11, 182lbs, he has the potential to play corner.

K: 1
David Akers

P: 1
Andy Lee

LS: 1
Brian Jennings

ST: 2
Anthony Dixon/Rock Cartright
Colin Jones

When Rock first came to the 9ers I was sure he'd make the team. But with Dixon playing well and buying into the powerback roll JH & Co. wants from him I say he has a real shot at keeping his roster spot. Dixon is younger and seems to be the better in the short yardage game. Plus, Dixon is turning into a ST Ace himself, so he has more "upside". Again, "value" is the key word here. This is an interesting battle to keep an eye on.

Inactive for game days:
Scott Tolzien
Demarcus Dobbs
Joe Looney
Michael Thomas
Cam Johnson/Eric Bakhtiari
Darcel McBath/Tramaine Brock
Nathan Palmer/Chris Owusu.

Players not named are cut or on PS. We will have the most dangerous ST in the league, even without Ginn. Spillman, Colin Jones, Cartwright, Gooden, Grant, and Haralson are all ST studs. I don't know if any other team can boast that much talent on ST. I won't try to predict an 8-man PS. Most players we release won't ever make it to our PS. We can't keep'm all. Teams are licking their chops at our cast-offs.

Thoughts?
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Aug 28, 2012 at 7:27 AM ]
Dixon will surely make it over Cartwright! Your the 1st to hear it right here! Josh Johnson will make it over Tolzien...
I think there is no way they go into the season with 8 OL on the roster. Leonard Davis is a virutal Lock. Harbaugh and company gave you a preview of the heavy O package when Davis came in at a TE. With Davis at TE blocking, Tukufua at FB and Jacobs running, imagine trying to stopp 900 lbs of power coming your way for one yard.

No way Ted Ginn is cut in favor of Owusu/Palmer

I like the cutting of Dixon, would keep Cartwright as he is a KR/PR specialist.
i hope every player on the zone starts a "MY 53" thread. that would be awesome
First, that's a ;ot of work - thanks.

I'm not a JJ fan and still think he is WAY overrated. I agree tat Kap has stepped it up and will be very interesting to watch in the last preseason game. I am a Tolzien fan and think given time & reps will be excellent. I am also an Alex fan and by season's end he'll have changed a lot of opinions.

I'm so IMPRESSED w/Hunter. He will be a force this season. Gore is Gore and if given rest will be fresh for the playoffs. I agree w/you on Jacobs one & done. LMJ is a work in progress by season's end will be more & more part of our game plan. Indifferent about Dixon - love his heart BUT Dancing with the Stars won't cut it. If he hasn't gotten it by now he won't when the pressures on. Nice knowing you Dix.

Ginn is an excellent return man and I hope he NEVER sees the field as a receiver again. Way too brittle and his receiving hands are suspect to say the least but his KO & Punt hands are very solid. He is a true threat every time he gets a return. I'm not a Crabs fan BUT I truly hope he turns it on this year. WAY too expensive for his meager production. His run blocking improved considerably - this is a make or break yea. Mu gut tells me JH will keep him regardless and in JH I trust.

NO WAY we go into an NFL season with only 8 OLinemen. Will not happen and not smart. LDavis easily makes the team. And add to that I feel we'll be reading te waiver wires after the final cuts for another quality person.

Agree w/you on the DLine. I don't see any rookies breaking through either. Tough call on Ian Williams - we will need someone w/beef behind Soap.

CB - Agree on Brock & McBath. Cox was an excellent pick up and I feel will payoff big time.

Kind of agree on the Safeties. I think Goldson is gone next season and JH will be grooming his full time replacement w/these guys.
We're gonna need at least 5 corners against GB..........
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Quite a few have done it, figured Id throw mine in too.

QB's: (3)

Alex Smith
Colin Kaepernick
Scott Tolzien


RB: (6)

Frank Gore
Kendal Hunter
Brandon Jacobs
LaMichael James
Rock Cartwright
Bruce Miller


WR: (6)

Michael Crabtree
Randy Moss
Mario Manningham
Kyle Williams
AJ Jenkins
Ted Ginn


TE: (3)


Vernon Davis
Delanie Walker
Konrad Reuland


OL: (8)

Joe Staley
Mike Iupati
Jonathan Goodwinn
Alex Boone
Anthony Davis
Leonard Davis
Daniel Kilgore
Joe Looney


DL: (7)

Justin Smith
Isaac Sopoaga
Ray McDonald
Will Tukuafu
Ricky Jean Francois
Demarcus Dobbs
Ian Williams


LB: (8)

Aldon Smith
Patrick Willis
NoVorro Bowman
Ahmad Brooks
Parys Haralson
Larry Grant
Tavares Gooden
Erik Bakhtiari


CB: (4)

Carlos Rogers
Tarrel Brown
Chris Culliver
Perrish Cox

S: (5)

Dashon Goldson
Donte Whitner
CJ Spillman
Colin Jones
Trenton Robinson

ST: (3)

David Akers
Andy Lee
Brian Jennings

I think the last 2 spots come down to 4 players and thats Person, Bakhtiari, Brock, and Ian Williams. I dont think we roll with 3 OLB's again this year and Williams has more potential than the other two guys. Person can go to the PS and Brock can go to the UFL. I dont think we ever had more than 4 CB's active during a game last season and Brock has been pretty awful so far. If another team cuts a good CB I could see us going for one. Anthony Dixon helped himself yesterday and he's still in a fight with Cartwright.


EXACTLY AS I HAVE IT. I would like to add this tho, Dixon/cartwright is a toss up, and we might get a CB/S type that has been waived.Same can go for a G/T type(waived player)..Other than those, I think this roster would win the West, and get us to 11-5, and a shot at the SB !!
Originally posted by defenderDX:
We're gonna need at least 5 corners against GB..........

Have you EVER seen 5 corners on the field at the same time? We wouldnt need more than Rogers, Brown. Culliver, Cox, Goldson, and Whitner on the field.

Like I said though if a good corner or safety is cut from another team we may get one. If Harbaugh wants to keep Brock then either Ian Williams or Bakhtiari will be cut.