Make Dashon Goldson the highest paid safety in the league?

Originally posted by hungarian9erfan:
so what is the deadline for him to sign a long term deal?
i really hope he signs before the deadline i really liked him last year :(

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Just a side note. Tim McDonald played for us for 7 years and amassed 20 interceptions good for 13th alltime. He was not flashy, just a solid contributor on a regular and high character guy for years for us our SS. For the 5 years Dashon has been with us, he has amassed 17 picks so far. He's slightly more flashy, but still a solid contributor on a regular and is also a high character guy as our FS, even though we all agree he's out of position and should be our SS. Sure he gets burned on big plays, but what Safety hasn't gotten burned against Pass Happy Offenses in this league in recent years.

Goldson deserves Top 10 Money, no more no less.

^ I count 12 including playoffs unless you are including pre season? 6 plus 1 in playoffs this year, 1 the year before and 4 in 09. Either way not fair to say 5 years because the 1st 2 he only started 2 games.

Anyways, I agree with you though.

Yeah, people have to realize all safeties get burned in today's game. Too much passing not to. There aren't many if any Ronnie Lott complete safeties out there. Someone who can hit and play the run like a linebacker and cover like a corner. I get it Goldson isn't perfect but again there aren't many safeties in the league better than him. Also, again I have to bring up that it's not Goldson's fault teams are overpaying their players including safeties. It's becoming a bigger money position with all the passing. If you look at what safeties are getting Goldson really isn't asking much more than any other player of his caliber. One other reason I think people don't want to give Goldson the money is because they think if we do it means automatically Bowman is gone. I don't think that's necessarily true. He is signed for 2 more years and we can tag him for 2 years after that. So we have 4 years to work out a deal. We can re-work players contracts if need be and the cap should go up big time in a few years. To me it's not worth possibly wrecking the entire defense over one player. I don't want to risk it over any other S we have backing up Goldson and if we draft someone we will most likely have to use a 1st round pick and there is no guarantee they will work out. A LOT of rookie DBs/S struggle early on. It's one of the difficult positions to adjust to coming into the NFL.

deadline is looming less than a hour away

I personally think Goldson is a top 5 free safety, and I think he is still on the rise. He hits like a linebacker, covers like a corner, and is usually around the ball making plays. Comparing him to other players who have gotten deals, I think he compares favorably to Michael Griffin (who got 5 years, $36M.) He had more INT's and passes defensed. I wouldn't give Goldson 5 years, $40M, but I would give him 5 years, $37M broken down as follows::

2012 $8.0M
2013 $8.0M
2014 $7.0M
2015 $7.0M
2016 $7.0M

Guaranteed: $16.0M

This gives Goldson the $8M a year (that he is seeking) for the next two years, which would arguably be his most productive seasons.

Goldson is insane for not taking the previous offer. I like the guy and everything, but he needs to prove himself before getting paid more than every other safety in the league.

Originally posted by 49erfanatic:
I personally think Goldson is a top 5 free safety, and I think he is still on the rise. He hits like a linebacker, covers like a corner, and is usually around the ball making plays. Comparing him to other players who have gotten deals, I think he compares favorably to Michael Griffin (who got 5 years, $36M.) He had more INT's and passes defensed. I wouldn't give Goldson 5 years, $40M, but I would give him 5 years, $37M broken down as follows::

2012 $8.0M
2013 $8.0M
2014 $7.0M
2015 $7.0M
2016 $7.0M

Guaranteed: $16.0M

This gives Goldson the $8M a year (that he is seeking) for the next two years, which would arguably be his most productive seasons.

I wouldn't go over 6mill per and I would back load the deal so we have wiggle room now....we are OVER the cap for 2013.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/No-multi-year-deal-for-Goldson?blockID=741142&feedID=5936
"There will not be a long-term deal for Dashon," agent Ben Dogra, who represents Goldson, told CSNBayArea.com via text message.

I think Dashon is crazy for walking away from the deal but I am thinking he isn't even there and told his agent to get me x million or walk away.

The 49ers also reserve the right to tag Goldson as their franchise player again next season. The team could lock up Goldson for the 2013 season at $7.45 million -- 120 percent of his 2012 salary.

I'd tag him again if no long term deal but I bet he would hold out. If we got him in 2013 for that price I'd be happy and then probably let him go. He would be 30 or so by the time he'd be a free agent in 2014.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/No-multi-year-deal-for-Goldson?blockID=741142&feedID=5936
"There will not be a long-term deal for Dashon," agent Ben Dogra, who represents Goldson, told CSNBayArea.com via text message.

I think Dashon is crazy for walking away from the deal but I am thinking he isn't even there and told his agent to get me x million or walk away.

The 49ers also reserve the right to tag Goldson as their franchise player again next season. The team could lock up Goldson for the 2013 season at $7.45 million -- 120 percent of his 2012 salary.

I'd tag him again if no long term deal but I bet he would hold out. If we got him in 2013 for that price I'd be happy and then probably let him go. He would be 30 or so by the time he'd be a free agent in 2014.

Oh man, that's awesome news then. Even better than I thought. Yep. Tag him on a year by year, and likely wave g'bye after 2013. Donatell can develop a replacement by then.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/No-multi-year-deal-for-Goldson?blockID=741142&feedID=5936
"There will not be a long-term deal for Dashon," agent Ben Dogra, who represents Goldson, told CSNBayArea.com via text message.

I think Dashon is crazy for walking away from the deal but I am thinking he isn't even there and told his agent to get me x million or walk away.

The 49ers also reserve the right to tag Goldson as their franchise player again next season. The team could lock up Goldson for the 2013 season at $7.45 million -- 120 percent of his 2012 salary.

I'd tag him again if no long term deal but I bet he would hold out. If we got him in 2013 for that price I'd be happy and then probably let him go. He would be 30 or so by the time he'd be a free agent in 2014.

The agent twitted his fail.

As much as I love Goldson, I like Bowman even more. Let Goldson walk and try and sign Bowman to a long term deal. Breaking up the tandem of Willis and Bowman may hurt more than just losing Goldson. We have capable safeties or can get one through free agency or the draft.

Anyone we put into this defense at safety will thrive.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Oh man, that's awesome news then. Even better than I thought. Yep. Tag him on a year by year, and likely wave g'bye after 2013. Donatell can develop a replacement by then.

Usually I agree with you oldman but I disagree this time. Sure it would be ideal to tag him again next year but I would bet he would hold out. If he wouldn't like I said it would be nice to have him for 2 more years and he would be 30 so I'd probably move on if he still wanted like a 5 year deal. Maybe I would give him a 3. Either way I think our best bet was to sign him long term. I guess it's not over and we can negotiate after our last game of the season. We get to try him out some more so there is some good from it. Problem is his price might go up. We don't want his price to go down and have him have a bad year. Anyways, if I am Goldson I take the deal... you'd think he would have learned from losing 23 million last year. For our sake hope he plays outstanding and his price goes up.

Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Oh man, that's awesome news then. Even better than I thought. Yep. Tag him on a year by year, and likely wave g'bye after 2013. Donatell can develop a replacement by then.

Usually I agree with you oldman but I disagree this time. Sure it would be ideal to tag him again next year but I would bet he would hold out. If he wouldn't like I said it would be nice to have him for 2 more years and he would be 30 so I'd probably move on if he still wanted like a 5 year deal. Maybe I would give him a 3. Either way I think our best bet was to sign him long term. I guess it's not over and we can negotiate after our last game of the season. We get to try him out some more so there is some good from it. Problem is his price might go up. We don't want his price to go down and have him have a bad year. Anyways, if I am Goldson I take the deal... you'd think he would have learned from losing 23 million last year. For our sake hope he plays outstanding and his price goes up.

All good. Can't agree on everything.

Said this before, but I do like what Goldson brings to the D. I just don't trust him though... not with a ton of guaranteed money. I think he may be another "Franklin" type of player that we can do without, if need be. I am glad we tagged him for this year... but don't ultimately know that I'd even want him back next year. I really think he's a 5-6 mil per year kind of talent. I also could be wrong, but that's the beauty of the situation. No one really can know for sure.

As was said... our cap is getting awfully tight. We just can't afford to hang onto EVERYONE... some guys just have to move on and be replaced.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
All good. Can't agree on everything.

Said this before, but I do like what Goldson brings to the D. I just don't trust him though... not with a ton of guaranteed money. I think he may be another "Franklin" type of player that we can do without, if need be. I am glad we tagged him for this year... but don't ultimately know that I'd even want him back next year. I really think he's a 5-6 mil per year kind of talent. I also could be wrong, but that's the beauty of the situation. No one really can know for sure.

As was said... our cap is getting awfully tight. We just can't afford to hang onto EVERYONE... some guys just have to move on and be replaced.

There is probably a bigger risk replacing him than just signing him long term. Although, I don't necessarily think signing Goldson means Bowman is gone but I do agree the cap is getting tighter with more and more players playing well and giving out long term extensions. If Goldson isn't back I use a 1st round pick on safety and that is risky as heck because it's usually not a position rookies can come in and instantly play well. Don't think there are any other FAs out there and not sure Spillman or Robinson are the answer. I guess we just have to enjoy him this year and enjoy this team because it might be the last we see of some of these guys. It's going to get tough with Justin, Bowman, Manningham, Brown, Moss, Walker, Sopoaga, RJF, Whitner, Gooden, Grant, Goldson, etc being free agents within the next few years. We'll see after next season's last game if we can work something out with him otherwise I'd tag him and see if someone will trade. Maybe we get a trade, maybe he sits out... Best case scenario we get to try him this year and next year at the 7.25 or whatever it was. Then move on if need be.. at least we would have time to get a replacement or have a plan. (although we probably already do)

So, two ways this affects his play this season:

• Becomes a liability at safety. Will be let go.

• Stays solid and even steps up his game. Will have a chance to sign a long-term deal... somewhere.

Either way, I don't think he will be here for the 2013 season.