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Our WR contracts...little alarming?

Originally posted by 5NorCalSavage2:
The only problem I have with that list is the fact that Kyle Williams is still on the roster.

It was certainly difficult watching him blow our superbowl hopes. Didn't like it either. But it would be good if we could put it behind us, so we can see his value clearly. He really showed some flashes and has a lot of potential. Sure would hate to throw that all away because had a really bad day at a really bad time. That can happen to anyone. It has to some really great players.
Originally posted by barrymartin:
It was certainly difficult watching him blow our superbowl hopes. Didn't like it either. But it would be good if we could put it behind us, so we can see his value clearly. He really showed some flashes and has a lot of potential. Sure would hate to throw that all away because had a really bad day at a really bad time. That can happen to anyone. It has to some really great players.


See Roger Craig...
I trust "the plan".
Originally posted by Schulzy:
Which is why we'll still be drafting a WR in the draft.

This
We have been doing a lot of short contracts that equal low risk, high reward. Pretty much like a tryout in our system before we sign you long term. It has it's advantages but it sucks we will have like 10 free agents a year with that strategy. Instead of getting guys for long term we will have all these guys to deal with because of 1-2 year deals. As long as they can all the ones they want done... they had like 13 guys worth re-signing this year and lost only a couple.
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Originally posted by blake6905:
if they show theyre worth it they will be resigned midseason, if not they can go and can be replaced.

I no longer doubt harbaugh or the front office

This!
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Ramp19smoker:
There is this little thing called the NFL Draft!

we aren't going to carry more then 6 WR's genius and drafting 3 WR's in 2 years is wasteful

who said all those guys will make the team? williams will get cut by a rookie and who knows maybe moss gets beat out by another rookie. ginn is just a pr so maybe they do keep 6 WR. drafting 3 WR's in 2 years is not wasteful if you need WR's
It should not. The cap is supposed to go way up starting next year, so the Niners will have plenty of cap room to pay for any WR they want. If they draft someone like Sanu or Hill in the late first, they will have at least one WR under contract past the 2014 season.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by DaFaro49ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
  • Tedd Ginn-2012 last year under contract
  • Randy Moss-2012 last year under contract
  • Kyle Williams-2013 last year under contract
  • Mario Manningham-2013 last year under contract
  • Michael Crabtree-2014 last year under contract

Is it me or does the thought of potentially losing 4 guys by 2013 seem a bit alarming? Dipping into FA every year for 2-3 WR's doesn't seem like a viable option for building a solid group of guys. Granted we can extend players but these 1-2 year deals do concern me a bit.

Pay to perform. None have earned it yet. Why give 7 yr contracts to unworthy candidates(exc. Moss who is obviously old for a big contract)

My point is why not bite the bullet and get a guy who is proven instead of carrying 3 unproven guys

You mean they are unproven to your satisfaction. You have no idea what Harbaugh knows about them, or how he is evaluating them. You are basing your ideas on ignorance. Either you trust JH to bring forth a winning team or you do not. I presume you wanted the 49ers to break the bank for Mike Wallace, just so you could say they have a good WR for the next eight years. But how do you know he would be a good WR for the next eight years? Answer: YOU DON'T! You are guessing. Well, so is Harbaugh, but his guesses are educated guesses; yours are not.

I am convinced that no matter what this team ever did, there would always be people to point out why it is not a good thing. I am truly sick and tired of the way wzers are more interested in criticizing anything and anyone rather than appreciating the positive and sometimes brilliant moves made by their team.

Personally, I find JH and TB to be doing exactly what they need to do to make this team better and better, and bring home a Lombardy Trophy this year! I have confidence they will find a way to continue to field a constantly improving team, year in and year out, and I believe you are witnessing the emergence of a rare thing: a TEAM DYNASTY in the salary cap era. It has not been done, but JH and TB are doing it right now.
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
It should not. The cap is supposed to go way up starting next year, so the Niners will have plenty of cap room to pay for any WR they want. If they draft someone like Sanu or Hill in the late first, they will have at least one WR under contract past the 2014 season.

Yes! A voice of sanity in the midst of this asylum!!

Except I don't like Sanu; I'd prefer Hill or Wright.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
  • Tedd Ginn-2012 last year under contract
  • Randy Moss-2012 last year under contract
  • Kyle Williams-2013 last year under contract
  • Mario Manningham-2013 last year under contract
  • Michael Crabtree-2014 last year under contract

Is it me or does the thought of potentially losing 4 guys by 2013 seem a bit alarming? Dipping into FA every year for 2-3 WR's doesn't seem like a viable option for building a solid group of guys. Granted we can extend players but these 1-2 year deals do concern me a bit.

Manningham has a two year deal, so his last year should be 2014, not 2013.

My guess is that Harbaugh and Baalke see the wide receiver corps as a work in progress.

Better to see what we have after a full off-season, than to tie up money and roster space on wide receivers that have not proven themselves.



By the way, I think that Ginn should be viewed primarily as a return specialist--and our receiver of last resort.
[ Edited by buck on Mar 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM ]
This is a good strategy for combing through young emerging WRs. We will draft and we will extend the best 1 or 2 receivers. WRs are streaky.
Originally posted by longtime49erfan:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by DaFaro49ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
  • Tedd Ginn-2012 last year under contract
  • Randy Moss-2012 last year under contract
  • Kyle Williams-2013 last year under contract
  • Mario Manningham-2013 last year under contract
  • Michael Crabtree-2014 last year under contract

Is it me or does the thought of potentially losing 4 guys by 2013 seem a bit alarming? Dipping into FA every year for 2-3 WR's doesn't seem like a viable option for building a solid group of guys. Granted we can extend players but these 1-2 year deals do concern me a bit.

Pay to perform. None have earned it yet. Why give 7 yr contracts to unworthy candidates(exc. Moss who is obviously old for a big contract)

My point is why not bite the bullet and get a guy who is proven instead of carrying 3 unproven guys

You mean they are unproven to your satisfaction. You have no idea what Harbaugh knows about them, or how he is evaluating them. You are basing your ideas on ignorance. Either you trust JH to bring forth a winning team or you do not. I presume you wanted the 49ers to break the bank for Mike Wallace, just so you could say they have a good WR for the next eight years. But how do you know he would be a good WR for the next eight years? Answer: YOU DON'T! You are guessing. Well, so is Harbaugh, but his guesses are educated guesses; yours are not.

I am convinced that no matter what this team ever did, there would always be people to point out why it is not a good thing. I am truly sick and tired of the way wzers are more interested in criticizing anything and anyone rather than appreciating the positive and sometimes brilliant moves made by their team.

Personally, I find JH and TB to be doing exactly what they need to do to make this team better and better, and bring home a Lombardy Trophy this year! I have confidence they will find a way to continue to field a constantly improving team, year in and year out, and I believe you are witnessing the emergence of a rare thing: a TEAM DYNASTY in the salary cap era. It has not been done, but JH and TB are doing it right now.

I advocated against Wallace the entire time. Jim isn't bringing in WR's that would be Trents job, yes Jim worked out Moss but Trent has final say on the roster. And so far Edwards, Swain, Hastings, and RoJo were choices that didn't work out. The biggest weakness of the team has been replenished by Moss who is a big unknown right now, Manningham who has never been a starter, and Ginn who is not a WR. If that sits comfortable with you fantastic, its not building a dynasty...its patching holes. It's not ignorant to question moves, blindly accepting any move is naive.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by jreff22:
  • Tedd Ginn-2012 last year under contract
  • Randy Moss-2012 last year under contract
  • Kyle Williams-2013 last year under contract
  • Mario Manningham-2013 last year under contract
  • Michael Crabtree-2014 last year under contract

Is it me or does the thought of potentially losing 4 guys by 2013 seem a bit alarming? Dipping into FA every year for 2-3 WR's doesn't seem like a viable option for building a solid group of guys. Granted we can extend players but these 1-2 year deals do concern me a bit.

Manningham has a two year deal, so his last year should be 2014, not 2013.

My guess is that Harbaugh and Baalke see the wide receiver corps as a work in progress.

Better to see what we have after a full off-season, than to tie up money and roster space on wide receivers that have not proven themselves.



By the way, I think that Ginn should be viewed primarily as a return specialist--and our receiver of last resort.

2013/14 season
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by jreff22:
  • Tedd Ginn-2012 last year under contract
  • Randy Moss-2012 last year under contract
  • Kyle Williams-2013 last year under contract
  • Mario Manningham-2013 last year under contract
  • Michael Crabtree-2014 last year under contract

Is it me or does the thought of potentially losing 4 guys by 2013 seem a bit alarming? Dipping into FA every year for 2-3 WR's doesn't seem like a viable option for building a solid group of guys. Granted we can extend players but these 1-2 year deals do concern me a bit.

Manningham has a two year deal, so his last year should be 2014, not 2013.

My guess is that Harbaugh and Baalke see the wide receiver corps as a work in progress.

Better to see what we have after a full off-season, than to tie up money and roster space on wide receivers that have not proven themselves.



By the way, I think that Ginn should be viewed primarily as a return specialist--and our receiver of last resort.

2013/14 season

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