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Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Seriously guys? I know we have all grown to like Alex Smith and want to see him do well, but in all seriousness...Seriously?
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Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Except that starting next year all teams have to spend to about 90% (I'm pretty sure of that number) of the salary cap.

I don't buy it. I think the penalties for not doing so will be nothing big. The NFL likes to dress up like they are different than the NBA and the MLB, but it's a joke. There is still and will always be the Haves and the Have Nots.

San Francisco Pro Sports is usually classified as a "Have" market when they choose to. Somewhere in between Mid Market and Huge Market.

So if the Niners want to play with the big boys for a couple of years, now is the time to do it. They should have the dough, and the cap should not be a problem

It's in the new CBA. That what the players were fighting for. The new floor.
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Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by STRFKR_805:
Originally posted by D-Money:
hahah people are retarded, actually voting for Alex Smith, damn man straight stupid.

r u serious? have you ever watched a full fourty niner game???? if you did; WTF r u seeing.???
SMITH is going to be the niners QB for the comming years until he retires. WR were always the issue i said it before 2011 and in 2010.... Crabtree isn't the full answer... the niners have no WR's..

THe only reason the niners are pushing for Manning is so that Smith can sign a cheaper contract with the niners out of fear of being replaced because Smith's AGENT is PEyton Mannings agent.

Also the niners are bluffing topush the price for manning up so that the CARDINALS don't get manning.

Simple Political Economics.. brah.

I mean yea manning would be excelent for business ... ESPN and NBC and NIKE Yahoo GOOGLE would be all on the fourty niners with endorsments for manning...and manning would sell tickets ..because at the end of the day football is a business.
I mean it would be - Peyton Manning ran Jim H. out of town.... then Jim H.'s Disciple LUCK would overthrow Manning ... NOW Manning aligns with Jim H. to get back at JIm H's evil disciple.

but it can't happen... Manning simply cost too much.. is old... injury prone...not a WEST COAST GUY....
Smith is a superb Balanced QB(like chad pennington) that would make Arizona,San Diego,Tennesee,MIA a better team...


You re ridiculous.

1. Manning has already said that Miami and Arizona are out of the race.

2. It was apparently Manning that inquired about the Niners not the other way around.

3. I love how the guy gets hurt once in his entire career and all of a sudden he's injury prone. Rich Gannon said he had the exact same injury and he choose to retire. But his neck was safer to play football after the surgery then before it. Manning has been playing with his neck hurt for couple of years now.

4. CK was drafted to be the QB of the future anyway at worst he becomes it. At best Manning plays for another 3 to four years.

5. There's a reason the colts were going to pay and Broncos, Cards and Titans will pay 30 mil for him. He's worth it.

6. The leverage idea could be more devised by Condon than the Niners. What if Alex takes it as personal insult after having Jim singing his praises all off season and goes and signs somewhere else. And then we miss out on manning as well. Now that's a gamble I can't see the Niners taking.

Again
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I voted for Alex because I'm smart enough to look at the big picture. Of course if all else was equal, you take Manning in a heartbeat. But all else is NOT equal, not even close. Manning is much older, on the downside of his career, and is coming off of multiple neck surgeries. I don't care what any doctor says, that is serious. This is football fellas, injuries happen. And when you're coming off one surgery, let alone four, your chances are multiplied.

Let's not forget the small fact that Manning will cost probably triple what Alex Smith will cost. That means we'll have to cut certain players and fill those spots with inferior players. You think we'll be able to extend Bowman? Aldon Smith? Crabtree? No, we won't. This would give us at best a two year window to win Super Bowls, that's it. A back-loaded contract (which is all we could offer) would hamper us so badly in the 3rd-5th years that our team would be decimated at that point. Manning retires, and we're starting from scratch again. Call me crazy, but after 10 years of being a joke of a franchise, I'm not ready to go back to that again just for a chance at 1 or 2 Super Bowls.

it's a shame what happened to this fan base.

Translation. You would rather win 9 games a year, a playoff win every 3 years as opposed to being a contender for 3 years.

Sad its come to this.

9 wins? We won 14 games last year and were one knee away from the Super Bowl. So let's take that formula, blow it up, and replace it with putting a huge emphasis on one player who is old and injured.

All I'm saying is we have awesome momentum with what Baalke and Harbaugh have built so far. Smart, sensible contracts that emphasize a team concept. Why not just keep riding that wave and see where it goes?

So you're saying have trust in Jim and Baalke except when it comes to getting possibly the best QB to ever play the game?

If they can get him to sign a sensible contract (2-3 years at $12 mil to $15 mil per) then hell yes, let's get him. I just think that there's no way he'll do that. He'll want guaranteed, back loaded money, which will severely deplete our roster in those later years.


I so don't want a huge contract for us to deal with. I lke the term you laid out, but anything more I'd pass. Then again we have this guy.


You will bend to my will lol!!!!!
[ Edited by GorefullBore on Mar 16, 2012 at 4:11 PM ]
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?
Lack of knowledge makes him think that. These guys still think we're in the days of Eddie D. paying anyone and everyone whatever they want. Our payroll was so far beyond every other team it was ridiculous.

Let's all say it together.... SALARY CAP!!!

I think you are the one that doesn't get it. This league is very close to how it was in the 80's. The salary cap became a joke after it went over x amount.

The NFL today equals...small market teams will usually always be far under the cap, mid market teams can fluctuate as they see fit, big spender teams will usually be supported through loopholes and ever increasing cap to simply outspend everyone else.

This was only truly a pure Salary cap league for about 10 seasons.

So then why don't we just give him the $20 million per year that he wants? Oh snap.... because we can't! It would put us OVER the cap. You DO understand that, right?
Mike Sando, ESPN.com ‏ @espn_nfcwest

Question for Tom Condon, who represents both. RT: @CShaw23: @espn_nfcwest What are chances SF misses on Peyton and Smith signs elsewhere?
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I'm pretty sure you guys are looking to mich in to contract anyways. Manning has made more money than any player in the history of the game. I could see him taking less to play here. But no less than 18mil.
Peyton > Alex (though he's Top 15 QB now based on 2011) > Peyton w/ re-injured neck.

The problem is that the third "player" is a legitimate concern.
[ Edited by captveg on Mar 16, 2012 at 4:16 PM ]
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?
Lack of knowledge makes him think that. These guys still think we're in the days of Eddie D. paying anyone and everyone whatever they want. Our payroll was so far beyond every other team it was ridiculous.

Let's all say it together.... SALARY CAP!!!

I bet I have more knowledge then you, that being said, the 49ers can make the numbers work, Manning will get whatever he wants from any team he wants to sign with. Thats the way it works in pro sports with the superstars. The 49ers have a great defense, the offense needs huge help. Manning fills most of that huge help......
If you say so... LOL

you keep saying Salary Cap, do you have any idea that it can be raised each and every year? It could be $200 million in a few years.....Manning will go to whatever team he picks and whatever team that is will be able to find a way to sign him. If the 49ers are the lucky team they will be fine in the seasons to come and find a way to make the numbers work. The team will not fall apart due to then getting Manning...LOL to you!
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.
Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.

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Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.

Then why offer Alex a contract at all? Alex for three years or Manning for three years? A just comparing Alex's production to Mamming's is laughable.
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Originally posted by Bootlegger:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.


lmfao
Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.

we have had to watch Alex Smith for the last 7 seasons and you make a post and tell us that Manning is overrated? Thats some funny stuff!
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?
Lack of knowledge makes him think that. These guys still think we're in the days of Eddie D. paying anyone and everyone whatever they want. Our payroll was so far beyond every other team it was ridiculous.

Let's all say it together.... SALARY CAP!!!

I bet I have more knowledge then you, that being said, the 49ers can make the numbers work, Manning will get whatever he wants from any team he wants to sign with. Thats the way it works in pro sports with the superstars. The 49ers have a great defense, the offense needs huge help. Manning fills most of that huge help......
If you say so... LOL

you keep saying Salary Cap, do you have any idea that it can be raised each and every year? It could be $200 million in a few years.....Manning will go to whatever team he picks and whatever team that is will be able to find a way to sign him. If the 49ers are the lucky team they will be fine in the seasons to come and find a way to make the numbers work. The team will not fall apart due to then getting Manning...LOL to you!
It could be raised to $1 billion, let's pay him $100 million per year!!!