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Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Regardless if the 49ers end up with Alex, Peyton, Hasselbeck, or maybe CK, at least were not stuck with a long term deal with Kolb. All is well in 49er land.
OMG this thread is insane! You're not supposed to call people out here so I'll put it like this....When JH and TB gave Alex the playbook and resigned him last year and up to the point of offering him a contract and wanting to re-sign him this year, there are several in this thread(the ones i'm not calling out and you can go re-read the Alex Smith thread to find out who) worked furiously to point out that JH and TB know what they're doing in trusting Alex and we should also. This was a mantra pointed at many a supposed "Alex Hater" post. I'm not a fan of Alex but I've trusted the choices they've made and happy to continue to do so. Now with the Coach and Front Office going after Manning some of these same people are now seeming to turn on Harbaugh and Baalke. This is crazy! You were behind them as long as they supported your choice of QB and now that they're going after Manning they some how became stupid and don't know anything. Really?
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).
Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Who else does Condon work for....Manning

He could of played both sides on this rather easily. Alex isn't getting the phone calls, Condon is. Agents work teams over all the time, this is nothing new.

This isn't news to Smith. He didn't just find this out. And Alex didn't just find out that he was offered 3 years at 24mil after the fact. That's not the way it works.

Is Alex ever to blame for anything? You can't tell me that he doesn't know what his own agent is up to or what deals are on the table. All he had to do was say yes.

explain why he is talking about firing Condon?
Originally posted by BigDaddy:
OMG this thread is insane! You're not supposed to call people out here so I'll put it like this....When JH and TB gave Alex the playbook and resigned him last year and up to the point of offering him a contract and wanting to re-sign him this year, there are several in this thread(the ones i'm not calling out and you can go re-read the Alex Smith thread to find out who) worked furiously to point out that JH and TB know what they're doing in trusting Alex and we should also. This was a mantra pointed at many a supposed "Alex Hater" post. I'm not a fan of Alex but I've trusted the choices they've made and happy to continue to do so. Now with the Coach and Front Office going after Manning some of these same people are now seeming to turn on Harbaugh and Baalke. This is crazy! You were behind them as long as they supported your choice of QB and now that they're going after Manning they some how became stupid and don't know anything. Really?

Well it is the Alex Smith 49ers after all. We should always think first, "is it good for Alex Smith?" when considering any changes by the 49ers. All game plans, personnel moves, etc...all should be centered around helping Alex Smith's career. Nolan showed us the way by getting rid of any competetion to Smith in his rookie year. The team has been the Alex Smith 49ers ever since.
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).

I remember people saying this about the '94 49ers - the last time they made it to the Superbowl btw.
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).

I remember people saying this about the '94 49ers - the last time they made it to the Superbowl btw.

That was different, we added multiple pieces, and most of those guys could have gone to other teams and gotten more money. They took less to come here and win a Super Bowl. If Manning is willing to take less, I'd be okay with it. But I'd still prefer our guy(s) over him.
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).


Very good. And while we're rolling with Kaepernick, we can get Josh Johnson to compete, and still have plenty of cap for wr MW from Pitt with a front loaded contract that wouldn't be matched. The biggest thing is with Manning's 90M, we'll look like Indy does now in 5 years, and facing another long rebuilding period. Yuck. You can't win without a strong roster, and overpaying for one position prevents that. Eddie didn't bring in many old guys and pay them a ton. He cut them. That's why this seems so out of character for our GM and current management.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Who else does Condon work for....Manning

He could of played both sides on this rather easily. Alex isn't getting the phone calls, Condon is. Agents work teams over all the time, this is nothing new.

This isn't news to Smith. He didn't just find this out. And Alex didn't just find out that he was offered 3 years at 24mil after the fact. That's not the way it works.

Is Alex ever to blame for anything? You can't tell me that he doesn't know what his own agent is up to or what deals are on the table. All he had to do was say yes.

explain why he is talking about firing Condon?

No.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).


Very good. And while we're rolling with Kaepernick, we can get Josh Johnson to compete, and still have plenty of cap for wr MW from Pitt with a front loaded contract that wouldn't be matched. The biggest thing is with Manning's 90M, we'll look like Indy does now in 5 years, and facing another long rebuilding period. Yuck. You can't win without a strong roster, and overpaying for one position prevents that. Eddie didn't bring in many old guys and pay them a ton. He cut them. That's why this seems so out of character for our GM and current management.
Well according to 49erJim, the salary cap will soon be $200 million, so it's not really a "true" salary cap anymore. "Everyone knows this" he said. Lol where is that guy anyway? I need to see some laughing smiley faces.
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).

I liked his earlier stuff better. When he was on vinyl.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).


Very good. And while we're rolling with Kaepernick, we can get Josh Johnson to compete, and still have plenty of cap for wr MW from Pitt with a front loaded contract that wouldn't be matched. The biggest thing is with Manning's 90M, we'll look like Indy does now in 5 years, and facing another long rebuilding period. Yuck. You can't win without a strong roster, and overpaying for one position prevents that. Eddie didn't bring in many old guys and pay them a ton. He cut them. That's why this seems so out of character for our GM and current management.
Well according to 49erJim, the salary cap will soon be $200 million, so it's not really a "true" salary cap anymore. "Everyone knows this" he said. Lol where is that guy anyway? I need to see some laughing smiley faces.


Oh.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).

I remember people saying this about the '94 49ers - the last time they made it to the Superbowl btw.

That was different, we added multiple pieces, and most of those guys could have gone to other teams and gotten more money. They took less to come here and win a Super Bowl. If Manning is willing to take less, I'd be okay with it. But I'd still prefer our guy(s) over him.

Sure, it is different. The one constant though is that it is very hard to get to & win the SB (I know, not exactly brilliant insight).

But one has to ask was last year's team a peak with Smith or building to something better? This is a question a lot of smart people can't seem to answer. If Manning is healthy, there is no question at all there what he is capable of.
[ Edited by djfullshred on Mar 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM ]
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
To me, this isn't about Alex vs. Peyton, it's about Peyton vs. "our guy." I just can't shake the thought that signing Peyton is selling out, and I thought we were building something different than that. If the FO doesn't want to go with Smith, fine. Then let's roll with Kaepernick. It's one thing to sign free agents here and there who come with sensible contracts. But throwing mega millions at one player (who happens to be old and injured) is just risky, irresponsible, and completely opposite of everything the players have been sold as a team (and us as a fan base).


Very good. And while we're rolling with Kaepernick, we can get Josh Johnson to compete, and still have plenty of cap for wr MW from Pitt with a front loaded contract that wouldn't be matched. The biggest thing is with Manning's 90M, we'll look like Indy does now in 5 years, and facing another long rebuilding period. Yuck. You can't win without a strong roster, and overpaying for one position prevents that. Eddie didn't bring in many old guys and pay them a ton. He cut them. That's why this seems so out of character for our GM and current management.
Well according to 49erJim, the salary cap will soon be $200 million, so it's not really a "true" salary cap anymore. "Everyone knows this" he said. Lol where is that guy anyway? I need to see some laughing smiley faces.


Oh.
No man, you are RIGHT. I was taking a jab at 49erJim, he's a comedian around here. I'm 100% convinced that he's laughing while writing every one of his posts.
So does anyone know if Alex's offer is still on the table? We have heard nothing about that.