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What keeps the offense from begin elite

  • cciowa
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Originally posted by Bootlegger:
All I am saying is that there is no need to say someone is hating because he thinks the reason we do not have an elite offense is because of Alex Smith. I agree with him and can post stats like these to help prove my point. If you think otherwise, show me the stats you think are pertinent in showing that Alex Smith is not holding us back from being elite.



vs. the NYG in playoffs.
i am sorry and i am not trying to be rude but i think with these charts and stats we are getting paralysis by analysis
time in the system and more options in the passing game.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Crappy wide outs who can't get separation, and a QB to scared to throw to anyone not all alone!

Also, Frank Gore is done... slips and falls bring to cut, lacks speed to turn corners, burst to the hole is MIA, and never could run more than 40 yards with out getting caught. Loved, and I will miss him, to damned bad Williams fumbled away Franks only shot at a meaningful Super Bowl. Frank will never be the feature back in a Super Bowl, at best he will be a situational runner, next season
The reason this offense is not elite is lack of time and lack of big play ability. There are solid guys everywhere, but defenses do not fear anyone on the outside.
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
this is what i meant to quote above, but couldn't edit my post to make it look like this.

I was snide?

All I am saying is that there is no need to say someone is hating because he thinks the reason we do not have an elite offense is because of Alex Smith. I agree with him and can post stats like these to help prove my point. If you think otherwise, show me the stats you think are pertinent in showing that Alex Smith is not holding us back from being elite.



vs. the NYG in playoffs.

I thought I already did?
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
All I am saying is that there is no need to say someone is hating because he thinks the reason we do not have an elite offense is because of Alex Smith. I agree with him and can post stats like these to help prove my point. If you think otherwise, show me the stats you think are pertinent in showing that Alex Smith is not holding us back from being elite.



vs. the NYG in playoffs.
i am sorry and i am not trying to be rude but i think with these charts and stats we are getting paralysis by analysis

just trying to explain why we aren't elite with the spreadsheet.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by English:
Well that's a powerful argument. One of the 15 catches he made last season. That certainly proves me wrong. He wasn't a huge disappointment, he was a great signing and a major contributor. And if we need another 15 catches next year, I guess Harbaugh has his phone number.

That was when he was healthy no different than if someone started off a comment on 2007 (shoulder year) and said we can easily find a QB who can give us what Alex did that year.

Fact is, a healthy Edwards IS that tall target we want. It was just an unlucky year of WR injuries for us. ANY team in the league would have suffered if their top two WR's were out...yes, even GB. What impressed me the most out of are passing targets is our "3rd WR" and TE showed they are capable of getting high numbers.

My original comment was that he was a huge disappointment. One catch doesn't change this. Your comments relate to what might have been. Mine relate to what actually happened.

Huge. Disappointment.
You can't have an ELITE offense with a defense as good as ours and with how much we have invested in it, nor do you need one. An offense that is, say, the 12th best in the league with the league's most suffocating defense is more than good enough to compete for championships, as you saw from even this past year where if either Ted Ginn were healthy at the end or if they didn't call that b******t forward progress on Bradshaw, we'd likely be SB champs. I like the build of our team more than any other. You think New Orleans will ever have an elite defense with Brees there? Or the Pats with Brady or the Packers with Rodgers? Hell no. Even the SB champion Giants were statistically a very sub-par defense.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
I thought I already did?

You did. Poor line play and dropped passes i believe is what you said.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by English:
Well that's a powerful argument. One of the 15 catches he made last season. That certainly proves me wrong. He wasn't a huge disappointment, he was a great signing and a major contributor. And if we need another 15 catches next year, I guess Harbaugh has his phone number.

That was when he was healthy no different than if someone started off a comment on 2007 (shoulder year) and said we can easily find a QB who can give us what Alex did that year.

Fact is, a healthy Edwards IS that tall target we want. It was just an unlucky year of WR injuries for us. ANY team in the league would have suffered if their top two WR's were out...yes, even GB. What impressed me the most out of are passing targets is our "3rd WR" and TE showed they are capable of getting high numbers.

My original comment was that he was a huge disappointment. One catch doesn't change this. Your comments relate to what might have been. Mine relate to what actually happened.

Huge. Disappointment.

"I don't know how you can describe Edwards and Ginn as solid offensive players."

Edwards has proven he's more than a solid offensive player. His injury was what held him back. Ginn...well...he hasn't done anything consistent enough in terms of offense to warrant being a solid offensive player.

Edwards' injury doesn't mean he isn't a solid offensive player. In reality, he's actually an above average receiver who's capable of getting nearly 1300 yards with a QB that's playing at a top level.
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
The reason this offense is not elite is lack of time and lack of big play ability. There are solid guys everywhere, but defenses do not fear anyone on the outside.

I think this sums it up pretty well. Especially the lack of time. This offense was just installed last season, without a full offseason to teach it. It was a great thing for many of the players to begin learning it themselves. Now they get a full offseason with the coaches to fine tune what they know, and build on that with new installments.
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
I thought I already did?

You did. Poor line play and dropped passes i believe is what you said.

Inconsistent line play would be a better discription. Sometimes the line looked solid. We were decimated at WR and it showed.
LOL

Joe still talking about our WR's being elite but only being held back by our QB? so delusional
Originally posted by Joecool:
"I don't know how you can describe Edwards and Ginn as solid offensive players."

Edwards has proven he's more than a solid offensive player. His injury was what held him back. Ginn...well...he hasn't done anything consistent enough in terms of offense to warrant being a solid offensive player.

Edwards' injury doesn't mean he isn't a solid offensive player. In reality, he's actually an above average receiver who's capable of getting nearly 1300 yards with a QB that's playing at a top level.

Three NFL teams don't agree with you. And only one year has he got over 1,000 yards. I don't see how you can describe him as above average.
Originally posted by English:
Well that's a powerful argument. One of the 15 catches he made last season. That certainly proves me wrong. He wasn't a huge disappointment, he was a great signing and a major contributor. And if we need another 15 catches next year, I guess Harbaugh has his phone number.

Edwards came off strong at the begging of the season... just after his injury he couldnt snap back into play with us he looked lost out there.
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