QB position up for competition next year?

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by mjboot:
I wanted dalton but was picked 1 spot ahead of the 49ers. We willl see which one of the 2 turn out the best in 2 years. Dalton seems to be ahead at the moment. Imagine if the 49ers took dalton I think the 49ers would of won it all.

Imagine if the 49ers had taken AJ Green instead of CK.



I know that most people only watch the ball rather than the rest of the players. That is understandable. Watching the OL block or a receiver running around on the field without the ball is not exciting even though very informative. However, if anyone watched much of the Bengals this last season, they would have seen Green making some unbelievable plays despite being double teamed most of the time. Further, those double teams freed up other Bengal receivers to be easily available for Dalton.

Green made Dalton's job much easier. Want proof? Go look at Dalton's numbers in the couple of games where Green was out or slowed by an injury.



The competition I am most looking forward to next season is the one at WR. I fully expect the 49ers to sign a solid FA "possession" WR as well as draft AT LEAST two, including using the #1 pick, perhaps even packaging other picks to move up to draft one of the premier WRs coming out this year.

A lot of QB's would love to have our running game looking at 8 or 9 in the box with 2 mismatches for Tight Ends and a shifty WR.

A "shifty WR?"

Who?

Certainly not Crabtree. He couldn't even participate fully in practice for 12 weeks.

A fast TE who admitted he didn't know what he was doing in this offense for the first 12 games is not a mismatch for anybody.

With four secondary players to guard the likes of a castoff from a loser team (Ginn) and a couple of other practice squad level players, it was easy to take away what TE talent there was and fill the box with 8.

What QBs would actually like to have that scenario again?

Originally posted by valrod33:
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4⅝"
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=26167&_slug_=colin-kaepernick&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d26167%26_slug_%3dcolin-kaepernick

Alex Smith is 6'4⅛"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=9077&_slug_=alex-smith&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d9077%26_slug_%3dalex-smith

Kaepernick is barely taller than Alex

Bump for Old Joe

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Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4⅝"
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=26167&_slug_=colin-kaepernick&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d26167%26_slug_%3dcolin-kaepernick

Alex Smith is 6'4⅛"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=9077&_slug_=alex-smith&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d9077%26_slug_%3dalex-smith

Kaepernick is barely taller than Alex

Bump for Old Joe

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Yah but Kap has bigger hands and you know what that means.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4⅝"
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=26167&_slug_=colin-kaepernick&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d26167%26_slug_%3dcolin-kaepernick

Alex Smith is 6'4⅛"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=9077&_slug_=alex-smith&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d9077%26_slug_%3dalex-smith

Kaepernick is barely taller than Alex

Bump for Old Joe

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Yah but Kap has bigger hands and you know what that means.

Kaep has smaller hands than Alex

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Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4⅝"
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=26167&_slug_=colin-kaepernick&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d26167%26_slug_%3dcolin-kaepernick

Alex Smith is 6'4⅛"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=9077&_slug_=alex-smith&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d9077%26_slug_%3dalex-smith

Kaepernick is barely taller than Alex

Bump for Old Joe

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Yah but Kap has bigger hands and you know what that means.

Kaep has smaller hands than Alex

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Well he has more tattoos.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Colin Kaepernick is 6'4⅝"
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=26167&_slug_=colin-kaepernick&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d26167%26_slug_%3dcolin-kaepernick

Alex Smith is 6'4⅛"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/combine?id=9077&_slug_=alex-smith&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fplayer%2fcombine%3fid%3d9077%26_slug_%3dalex-smith

Kaepernick is barely taller than Alex

Bump for Old Joe

END THREAD

Yah but Kap has bigger hands and you know what that means.

Kaep has smaller hands than Alex

END THREAD

Well he has more tattoos.

Ask Val who has a bigger boon!

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Originally posted by dj43:
A "shifty WR?"

Who?

Certainly not Crabtree. He couldn't even participate fully in practice for 12 weeks.

A fast TE who admitted he didn't know what he was doing in this offense for the first 12 games is not a mismatch for anybody.

With four secondary players to guard the likes of a castoff from a loser team (Ginn) and a couple of other practice squad level players, it was easy to take away what TE talent there was and fill the box with 8.

What QBs would actually like to have that scenario again?

Crabtree not practicing? QB's deal with these things all the time. Still didn't keep Crabtree from respectable stats.

Williams is a very shifty WR.

Fast TE who is still considered one of the tops in the league.

Ginn is no different than a castoff as Alex Smith could have been if he were on any other team. Ginn was only "casted off" due to his draft status...his production in MIA with a decent QB was on pace to be a very productive and improving WR. Once Pennington was officially done, MIA passing game went to crap and Ginn's stats dropped. Dude had 790 yards on 56 catches in his 2nd year. Then Pennington got injured again.

A better QB would do wonders with how defenses defend our running game and the individual skills at WR. None of them provide multiple high level traits but they all have one or two traits that are high level and can be used. Good QB's know how to allow their receivers to make the plays. Alex...unfortunately, would rather save 1 interception over 3 possible completions that could make a defense scared and force them to change what they do.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by vaden:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Our conservative offense is a function of the QB's capabilities. Our QB play is also therefore not a function of our conservative offense. The test is really simple: If we had Brees, Rodgers, or Manning, would our offense still be conservative? Not a chance in hell. We'd have a wide open offense and we would have gone to the SB with roller skates on. The conclusion is fairly obvious.

our conservative offense is a function of the head coaches philosophy. Ever watch a Stanford game? (i know the answer).

ive beens aying this forever

they will ignore this and say that same ting again in a different thread

Exactly. Dilfer was trying to explain the same thing to Colin Cowherd on his radio show earlier this week, and how the combination of Harbaugh's style and our limited personnel has led to disaster on 3rd downs.

Harbaugh did not run a conservative offense at USD. He uses his players to their strengths and clearly having an aggressive offense is not a strength of Smith.

I agree. I don't dont get this whole conservative offense is what Harbaugh is about. I was at the Stanford vs V Tech game. He ran the ball and threw quite a few times. I see a balanced offense, not a conservative. Whatever works he will do. Sorry you don't have a QB with Heismann hopes with a conservative offense. Conservative would be what Nick Saban at Alabama does.

If we ever get a star QB who ever it is, I would bet the Condo(dont own a house lol) that our offense would not look like how it is with Smith is in.

Originally posted by 305Niner:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by vaden:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Our conservative offense is a function of the QB's capabilities. Our QB play is also therefore not a function of our conservative offense. The test is really simple: If we had Brees, Rodgers, or Manning, would our offense still be conservative? Not a chance in hell. We'd have a wide open offense and we would have gone to the SB with roller skates on. The conclusion is fairly obvious.

our conservative offense is a function of the head coaches philosophy. Ever watch a Stanford game? (i know the answer).

ive beens aying this forever

they will ignore this and say that same ting again in a different thread

Exactly. Dilfer was trying to explain the same thing to Colin Cowherd on his radio show earlier this week, and how the combination of Harbaugh's style and our limited personnel has led to disaster on 3rd downs.

Harbaugh did not run a conservative offense at USD. He uses his players to their strengths and clearly having an aggressive offense is not a strength of Smith.

I agree. I don't dont get this whole conservative offense is what Harbaugh is about. I was at the Stanford vs V Tech game. He ran the ball and threw quite a few times. I see a balanced offense, not a conservative. Whatever works he will do. Sorry you don't have a QB with Heismann hopes with a conservative offense. Conservative would be what Nick Saban at Alabama does.

If we ever get a star QB who ever it is, I would bet the Condo(dont own a house lol) that our offense would not look like how it is with Smith is in.

I think it would look the same, but that QB would be making the plays Alex Smith passed up [pun intended].

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by vaden:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Our conservative offense is a function of the QB's capabilities. Our QB play is also therefore not a function of our conservative offense. The test is really simple: If we had Brees, Rodgers, or Manning, would our offense still be conservative? Not a chance in hell. We'd have a wide open offense and we would have gone to the SB with roller skates on. The conclusion is fairly obvious.

our conservative offense is a function of the head coaches philosophy. Ever watch a Stanford game? (i know the answer).

ive beens aying this forever

they will ignore this and say that same ting again in a different thread

Exactly. Dilfer was trying to explain the same thing to Colin Cowherd on his radio show earlier this week, and how the combination of Harbaugh's style and our limited personnel has led to disaster on 3rd downs.

Harbaugh did not run a conservative offense at USD. He uses his players to their strengths and clearly having an aggressive offense is not a strength of Smith.

i agree with this.

still, Luck is lauded for being "pro ready" and the offense we run is very similar to the stanford offense. food for thought.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by vaden:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Our conservative offense is a function of the QB's capabilities. Our QB play is also therefore not a function of our conservative offense. The test is really simple: If we had Brees, Rodgers, or Manning, would our offense still be conservative? Not a chance in hell. We'd have a wide open offense and we would have gone to the SB with roller skates on. The conclusion is fairly obvious.

our conservative offense is a function of the head coaches philosophy. Ever watch a Stanford game? (i know the answer).

ive beens aying this forever

they will ignore this and say that same ting again in a different thread

Exactly. Dilfer was trying to explain the same thing to Colin Cowherd on his radio show earlier this week, and how the combination of Harbaugh's style and our limited personnel has led to disaster on 3rd downs.

Harbaugh did not run a conservative offense at USD. He uses his players to their strengths and clearly having an aggressive offense is not a strength of Smith.

i agree with this.

still, Luck is lauded for being "pro ready" and the offense we run is very similar to the stanford offense. food for thought.

they run more in stanford than we do here actually

After reading Maiocco's article it makes sense to me the Niners should add a more experienced back up to Smith. I don't see Kaep as near ready next year to be a true backup. I thought we were really lucky that Smith played in all 16+ games without any injury. It's too early in Kaep's development be a good backup. Maybe Josh Johnson.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
After reading Maiocco's article it makes sense to me the Niners should add a more experienced back up to Smith. I don't see Kaep as near ready next year to be a true backup. I thought we were really lucky that Smith played in all 16+ games without any injury. It's too early in Kaep's development be a good backup. Maybe Josh Johnson.

I don't think so. Kaep is a very smart player. If he proves he picks up the system quickly and understands it AND he shows he is also physically ready to apply it, then Alex will have a short leash or lose the job.

Reality is, Alex has limitations and Kaep has elite athleticism and throwing ability. If he shows he is ready, Harbuagh will not hesitate to develop him sooner. This Defense, this team in this era...you just can't think you are going to keep all the talent that makes everything great. You wait too long and you will get weaker in some areas.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by vaden:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by Shaj:
Our conservative offense is a function of the QB's capabilities. Our QB play is also therefore not a function of our conservative offense. The test is really simple: If we had Brees, Rodgers, or Manning, would our offense still be conservative? Not a chance in hell. We'd have a wide open offense and we would have gone to the SB with roller skates on. The conclusion is fairly obvious.

our conservative offense is a function of the head coaches philosophy. Ever watch a Stanford game? (i know the answer).

ive beens aying this forever

they will ignore this and say that same ting again in a different thread

Exactly. Dilfer was trying to explain the same thing to Colin Cowherd on his radio show earlier this week, and how the combination of Harbaugh's style and our limited personnel has led to disaster on 3rd downs.

Harbaugh did not run a conservative offense at USD. He uses his players to their strengths and clearly having an aggressive offense is not a strength of Smith.

i agree with this.

still, Luck is lauded for being "pro ready" and the offense we run is very similar to the stanford offense. food for thought.

they run more in stanford than we do here actually

its easy for stanford to run 30-40 times a game when you have overpowering 1st round worthy offensive lineman's shoving undersized linebackers and defensive backs around. not so much for the 49ers

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
After reading Maiocco's article it makes sense to me the Niners should add a more experienced back up to Smith. I don't see Kaep as near ready next year to be a true backup. I thought we were really lucky that Smith played in all 16+ games without any injury. It's too early in Kaep's development be a good backup. Maybe Josh Johnson.

I don't think so. Kaep is a very smart player. If he proves he picks up the system quickly and understands it AND he shows he is also physically ready to apply it, then Alex will have a short leash or lose the job.

Reality is, Alex has limitations and Kaep has elite athleticism and throwing ability. If he shows he is ready, Harbuagh will not hesitate to develop him sooner. This Defense, this team in this era...you just can't think you are going to keep all the talent that makes everything great. You wait too long and you will get weaker in some areas.

You know Kaep would be in his first true TC next year right... since this year's TC was truncated. He won't be ready next year. I don't want the repeat of 2010. Troy Smith and Nate Davis.