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gore frustrated *Edit - Signed Extension on 8/30 - 3 years: May no longer be frustrated.*

Rumors, rumors, rumors...

No one remembers an article from a week or two ago that speculated that Gore would be wanting a contract close to Deangelo... and now this speculation has turned into "a source with inside knowledge" saying the exact same line. I call bullsh*t. Gore said he would play this season, thats all that matters. He'll be made happy, but on the front offices terms. Played 16 games in only 1 of 6 seasons, the "tread" on his tires havent exactly been saved while he was younger, and would be hitting 30 close after hitting the free agent market... I got all the love in the world for Frank but if he wants more than $5-6/yr, good luck cause it aint gonna happen.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Yeah ok, since you like to pretend to have a keen insight into what goes on behind closed doors at 4949 Centennial, let me pretend for a second . . .

I assume if we signed Gore to a DeAngelo Williams deal this is what we'd hear from you.

"Unbelievable. Marty Hurney offered a stupid contract to De Angelo Williams so Baalke has to keep up with the Jones by overpaying for a RB coming off hip surgery . Genius strikes again."

Go ahead and deny it.

First, we don't know that Williams' money is going to be the benchmark. It may be. Here is the issue. You work with players in good faith. Obviously, Gore was told that if he came back, the team would make him happy, or he wouldn't have shown up. So, you work with your players in good faith to get something done. Obviously, Gore feels the team has not worked in good faith.

We are dealing with a cheap organization. We have already seen this in free agency (we didn't land a difference-making FA because we went on the cheap), have the 9th largest pool of money still to spend, and have obviously pissed off one of our most loyal and dedicated players.

My premise is this: If you aren't going to play the free agent game correctly, and you still have a mountain of money to play with, why not give your best offensive player the money. In a normal world, I would be hesitant to offer Williams money on Gore's body, but the Niners have been dragging their feet with this contract, and now they have enraged Mr. Niner.

It all comes down to how you deal with your players. Obviously, they don't get how it works.

It's a business. Walsh was the "idiot" who sent Montana packing.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Janitor:
I'll brb, I'm going to get my pistol so I can blow my brains out. This thread makes me want to scream.

People flip out all offseason because we don't make any big name acquisitions, now all the sudden we want to LET GO of one of the elite RB's in the NFL? Are you serious? So he wants more money, the guy earned it, and we have the cap space! Gore is the all-around package, and you will not find another like him on the market. The new kids look alright so far, but none of them is half of what Frank Gore is.

If Frank doesn't play for us, we should be happy to win 6 games.

He is not worth DeAngelo Williams money. DeAngelo Williams isn't worth DeAngelo Williams money. Gore is not worth crippling the team cap-wise for the next 3 or 4 years, especially given all the question marks at different positions.

If Frank does play for us, we should be happy to win 7 games. Great running backs don't make as big of a difference in the Win/Loss column as some think.

valid point!

Barry Sanders? Stephen Jackson? Deangelo Williams AND Jonathan Stewart? Chris Johnson? Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams? Peyton Hillis even?

This is a QB driven league and if you don't think so then PLEASE tell me how many ELITE RB's have led their teams to the playoffs without having a solid QB? All of those RB's listed above had sh*tty QB play yet they are very solid RB's and haven't done SH*T as far as competing for a championship! RB's are a dime a dozen.

Play the contract out, especially since he is coming off of a pretty serious injury (quite a few of them since college) at a very young age. I do agree he has been the heart and soul of our offense for years but what has that got us? we still havent had a winning season with him dominating the ball. I love Frank but I also love winning MORE and truth be told, with or without Frank, we have still sucked since 2002!
[ Edited by Sims84 on Aug 21, 2011 at 1:46 PM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I will. At the same time, Team Trent Baalke continues to downplay/ignore his screwup in the Mays mass e-mail (people still laughing about this outside the Bay Area), his drafting of Mays in the first place (even though he was pulling for Jimmy Clausen), the screwup of not signing a difference making free agent, and 50 other issues that make our team less competitive.

This is just another of the many examples of how this guy is completely clueless.

They think Baalke is a genius.

P.S. Now, at some point, the planets will align, and Baalke will get something correct. People will champion his cause as the greatest mind in all of sports, ignoring all his screwups along the way.

Wow, just wow. Your bias is creating delusions.

How about signing Harbaugh? How about getting quality FA's to fill positions of need at low risk costs? These are very recent things he's done right. In fact, other than the mass-email, I don't see how anyone can complain about the direction we've taken this offseason.

I know you wish deep down that Jed is a secret member here and reading your posts, and he'll PM you one day, after realizing how stupid he and the organization have been all these years, to offer you the GM position, but that too is delusional.

- Jeers
[ Edited by AmpLee on Aug 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I will. At the same time, Team Trent Baalke continues to downplay/ignore his screwup in the Mays mass e-mail (people still laughing about this outside the Bay Area), his drafting of Mays in the first place (even though he was pulling for Jimmy Clausen), the screwup of not signing a difference making free agent, and 50 other issues that make our team less competitive.

This is just another of the many examples of how this guy is completely clueless.

They think Baalke is a genius.

P.S. Now, at some point, the planets will align, and Baalke will get something correct. People will champion his cause as the greatest mind in all of sports, ignoring all his screwups along the way.



I know you wish deep down that Jed is a secret member here and reading your posts, and he'll PM you one day after realizing how stupid he and the organization has been all these years to offer you the GM position, but that too is delusional.

- Jeers

LoL it all makes sense now.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
And the worst part is that he thinks he's the most intelligent poster on this site. He's definitely good at the draft board s**t, but I think he's full of himself whenever he posts in Niner Talk.
Thank you, Trent's sister.

Awesome post. Didn't expect much better from you.
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
And the worst part is that he thinks he's the most intelligent poster on this site. He's definitely good at the draft board s**t, but I think he's full of himself whenever he posts in Niner Talk.
Thank you, Trent's sister.

Awesome post. Didn't expect much better from you.

lol, classy and intelligent response by Maddog, I agree with the bolded
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
He's 28 with a history of injuries, including a serious hip injury last season (who breaks their hip when they are 27?), so it will be hard to give Gore the money he wants. Though I like Gore and his elite abilities, RB's are a dime a dozen.

NFL Running Backs
Lol silly question
[ Edited by Godsleftsock on Aug 21, 2011 at 1:51 PM ]
Give Gore the $. I thought I would never say to pay a player what he wants but Gore has bled red and gold for this team. If it wasnt for Gore our crappy years would have been so much worse. Hes a total horse. Give him a good three to four year deal and make it front heavy for cap reasons.
cry baby
Originally posted by stonecold590:
Give Gore the $. I thought I would never say to pay a player what he wants but Gore has bled red and gold for this team. If it wasnt for Gore our crappy years would have been so much worse. Hes a total horse. Give him a good three to four year deal and make it front heavy for cap reasons.

You can't pay players for past performance. They have to be compensated based on future results. The past is only used as an indicator of future results.

If we were to pay players based upon the past but not the future, then we should just send a $100m check to Joe Montana right now. He can't do much for us going forward, but he was a hell of a QB in his day.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The Great Trent Baalke. A genius living amongst us. P.S. And with that comment, Trent's mom, sister, wife, and dog log on to defend the Great One.
Lol shouting at the wind much?
Rosenhaus.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Yeah ok, since you like to pretend to have a keen insight into what goes on behind closed doors at 4949 Centennial, let me pretend for a second . . .

I assume if we signed Gore to a DeAngelo Williams deal this is what we'd hear from you.

"Unbelievable. Marty Hurney offered a stupid contract to De Angelo Williams so Baalke has to keep up with the Jones by overpaying for a RB coming off hip surgery . Genius strikes again."

Go ahead and deny it.

First, we don't know that Williams' money is going to be the benchmark. It may be. Here is the issue. You work with players in good faith. Obviously, Gore was told that if he came back, the team would make him happy, or he wouldn't have shown up. So, you work with your players in good faith to get something done. Obviously, Gore feels the team has not worked in good faith.

We are dealing with a cheap organization. We have already seen this in free agency (we didn't land a difference-making FA because we went on the cheap), have the 9th largest pool of money still to spend, and have obviously pissed off one of our most loyal and dedicated players.

My premise is this: If you aren't going to play the free agent game correctly, and you still have a mountain of money to play with, why not give your best offensive player the money. In a normal world, I would be hesitant to offer Williams money on Gore's body, but the Niners have been dragging their feet with this contract, and now they have enraged Mr. Niner.

It all comes down to how you deal with your players. Obviously, they don't get how it works.

I would not mind paying him...but if we have to give him DeAngelo money I would rather trade him if we could get a 1st round pick.