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Can we give some props to Trent Baalke?

Can we give some props to Trent Baalke?

Obvious F, but If we're truly rebuilding I'm not really mad about the inactivity.
If he is taking a "wait and see approach" then we will continue to wait and see all the talented free agents signed by other teams before we even make a move to re-sign our own.

We have to strengthen the secondary, that is a must....

I hope we at least re-sign Manny, because I dont believe we will get better by subtraction, it's time to spend some money and grab some talent
  • dj43
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Originally posted by Mookster:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Mookster:
Anytime that a GM actually makes his team WORSE year over year than it is a dismal failure! If there was a grade worse than F he'd get it. He's been so bad that he may not even be aware Free Agency has started. Arizona and Seatle have both made significant strides forward. even the Rams are likely a better team now than at the end of last year. The Niners.... not so much...

Publicly stating that you "have a plan" but then waiting until all your own promising players are gone, signing only back ups and watching everyone else in the division get better, is ridiculous. I'd much rather have had Balke come out and say that this would be a rebuilding year, there was no money for FA's and that we'd focus on depth rather than marquis players. At least then my hopes wouldn't get crushed (again) this year.

Seattle and AZ had more to offer than SF. Like what? Money - don't think so not on a per target player basis anyways.

Established coaching staffs. No... rookie coaching staff we all HOPE (and expect) is better than the predecessor

Quality stadium. Not yet

Established FO. hmmm..... not sure I agree with this if Baalke doesn't turn things around

In effect, by saying "we will not be big players in FA," he was saying this would be a year to "coach up" current talent and rebuild in areas where talent is not there. The problem with this philosophy is that you are assuming the "talent" exists on the roster. Our weakest areas (QB, O-line, pass defense and QB pressure) were not addressed this offseason. If you believe that the starters were better than the back ups then your "coaching up" argument loses its credibility along with the starters who left (Baas, Spikes, Franklin, Lawson, Goldson, Clements etc). Hope is not an effective plan
From all reports, the 49ers were involved in attempting to bring in better FA players but were turned down. For example, when Burress got the call from Rex Ryan, he cancelled his flight to SF and went to NYC - he didn't even bother to come and listen to an offer. That should say a lot about how the franchise is viewed by players around the league. I absolutely agree with your last point. But would also add that every "plan" should have a contingency component. Didn't get Namdi? Who are the next 3 in line and what is the status of negotiations with them. Houston was brilliant in landing Joseph from Cincy as soon as they felt they weren't in the Namdi game. It appears that Baalke lacks the contingency plans to recover.
You make some good points here, particularly the one about a plan to get Joseph. Of course Houston has A LOT more to offer that SF, not the least of which is an 11% tax rate advantage.

I have been a huge critic of the position coaching the past 8 years. I don't know any more than anyone else about how much better the current roster could be with better coaching. It is my belief that the current group of coaches that Harbaugh has assembled could result in a lot of us being very surprised at how much improvement we will see from a lot of players.

Vernon Davis, as good as he is, still has some major flaws in his game. Better coaching will help him read and adjust much better.

Rachal, as poorly as he has performed, has been the victim of the worst in position coaching. NONE of the recent 49er draft picks have met reasonable expectations. So while that may be just poor drafting, I believe a greater part of it has been poor coaching.

Summarily, until we know how much is talent and how much is coaching, NOT breaking the bank is a good strategy. However, it is also clear that we have holes at OLB, CB and WR that have not been filled. How problematic that will be is yet to be seen.
i believe the plan is not to do s**t

we werent going to be that good of a team with a new staff
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Mookster:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Mookster:
Anytime that a GM actually makes his team WORSE year over year than it is a dismal failure! If there was a grade worse than F he'd get it. He's been so bad that he may not even be aware Free Agency has started. Arizona and Seatle have both made significant strides forward. even the Rams are likely a better team now than at the end of last year. The Niners.... not so much...

Publicly stating that you "have a plan" but then waiting until all your own promising players are gone, signing only back ups and watching everyone else in the division get better, is ridiculous. I'd much rather have had Balke come out and say that this would be a rebuilding year, there was no money for FA's and that we'd focus on depth rather than marquis players. At least then my hopes wouldn't get crushed (again) this year.

Seattle and AZ had more to offer than SF. Like what? Money - don't think so not on a per target player basis anyways.

Established coaching staffs. No... rookie coaching staff we all HOPE (and expect) is better than the predecessor

Quality stadium. Not yet

Established FO. hmmm..... not sure I agree with this if Baalke doesn't turn things around

In effect, by saying "we will not be big players in FA," he was saying this would be a year to "coach up" current talent and rebuild in areas where talent is not there. The problem with this philosophy is that you are assuming the "talent" exists on the roster. Our weakest areas (QB, O-line, pass defense and QB pressure) were not addressed this offseason. If you believe that the starters were better than the back ups then your "coaching up" argument loses its credibility along with the starters who left (Baas, Spikes, Franklin, Lawson, Goldson, Clements etc). Hope is not an effective plan
From all reports, the 49ers were involved in attempting to bring in better FA players but were turned down. For example, when Burress got the call from Rex Ryan, he cancelled his flight to SF and went to NYC - he didn't even bother to come and listen to an offer. That should say a lot about how the franchise is viewed by players around the league. I absolutely agree with your last point. But would also add that every "plan" should have a contingency component. Didn't get Namdi? Who are the next 3 in line and what is the status of negotiations with them. Houston was brilliant in landing Joseph from Cincy as soon as they felt they weren't in the Namdi game. It appears that Baalke lacks the contingency plans to recover.
You make some good points here, particularly the one about a plan to get Joseph. Of course Houston has A LOT more to offer that SF, not the least of which is an 11% tax rate advantage.

I have been a huge critic of the position coaching the past 8 years. I don't know any more than anyone else about how much better the current roster could be with better coaching. It is my belief that the current group of coaches that Harbaugh has assembled could result in a lot of us being very surprised at how much improvement we will see from a lot of players.

Vernon Davis, as good as he is, still has some major flaws in his game. Better coaching will help him read and adjust much better.

Rachal, as poorly as he has performed, has been the victim of the worst in position coaching. NONE of the recent 49er draft picks have met reasonable expectations. So while that may be just poor drafting, I believe a greater part of it has been poor coaching.

Summarily, until we know how much is talent and how much is coaching, NOT breaking the bank is a good strategy. However, it is also clear that we have holes at OLB, CB and WR that have not been filled. How problematic that will be is yet to be seen.

My issue with the whole Namdi game was that once we were out who did we pursue? It wasn't until yeterday that we heard we were in the running for Cromartie... and Yes it could be that everything is being held close to the vest but at some point letting the market know you're open for business does alot to help attract other (higher calibre) players. it just appears (to me) that Baalke is the spoiled kid.... he didn't get the present he wanted so now he's packed up and gone home.

I agree completely that the development of our players has been virtuallly non-existent ever since Nolan took the reigns and that better schemes for both O and D will make "average" players into better performers. What I'm not sure about is whether our back ups (who will now be starters) are even "average" NFL players. But I think we're about to find out!
Well, we just signed a Safety that we needed. I think the SMART thing to do would be to wait until this whole FA dealio is over before we judge how he performed in it.

But, we are Niner fans so i'm sure a majority of us won't be able to do that and will jump the gun and judge and yell for firings right away.
should i quote Eric Allen again? but i rather
Frankly i just don't think anyone wants to come here.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Mookster:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Mookster:

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Rachal, as poorly as he has performed, has been the victim of the worst in position coaching. NONE of the recent 49er draft picks have met reasonable expectations. So while that may be just poor drafting, I believe a greater part of it has been poor coaching.

Summarily, until we know how much is talent and how much is coaching, NOT breaking the bank is a good strategy. However, it is also clear that we have holes at OLB, CB and WR that have not been filled. How problematic that will be is yet to be seen.

Solari is the worst in position coaching?
Originally posted by Negrodamus:
should i quote Eric Allen again? but i rather

Who?
I give him a Z
I bet Baalke's unpopular budget moves this season is still enough to compete for an NFC West title. If you ask me that's brilliant!
Would you all rather spend tons of money this FA not knowing a single thing about this team? Or wait untill next season to sign big name players that will actually fit a system that will be installed by that time?

How is management supposed to get an idea on things when this team and coaching staff has yet to practice a full week? I feel like signing a huge contract for 5 years will only hurt this team. Especially if the player doesn't fit in.
Everyone really just needs to chill and relax. We're obviously not done looking at people and signing yet. They've been trickling in. Cooooooooool down.

MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
RT @JoshBDraft Yale TE Chris Blohm has tryout with 49ers. > SF native attend 49ers' local pro day, and could be added after Byham injury.
Originally posted by Whomeam:
Everyone really just needs to chill and relax. We're obviously not done looking at people and signing yet. They've been trickling in. Cooooooooool down.

MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
RT @JoshBDraft Yale TE Chris Blohm has tryout with 49ers. > SF native attend 49ers' local pro day, and could be added after Byham injury.

Yup.... let's slow down on this breakneck pace of undrafted free agents and camp fodder.... before you know it we could make a mistake and sign someone who would actually improve this team.