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Are we seeing a horribly managed free agency? Or something bigger?

And now a Plaxico Burress pursuit.... another thing to add to a disastrous free agency period....
Some fans are trying to be optimistic and relate this melt down to Walsh's 78-79 era. I like Harbaugh, but he is no Bill Walsh and Jed is not his uncle Eddie. I am wondering what is behind this lack of commitment to improvement of the roster. Are they trying to clear house? Do they really believe in the players that they have? Is Harbaugh's ego so big that he thinks he could win with this team?
So unless you "feel like you're going to win" the super bowl then teams just shouldn't do s**t?

I dont understand that at all. No one is saying that by signing any of these FAs we're going to be instant SB winners but it would be a great start.

Hell, after 9 years of dog s**t football...I'd sign FAs so we can at least KNOW what it feels like to reach Wildcard or Divisional playoffs. These guys need to know what its like to actually WIN and be a part of a winning team. No, we may not reach the SB right away but we WOULD be on the upswing...and better players will want to come here next year.

I'm sorry but we've been "building through the draft" and "getting bargain FAs" since 2002 and it hasn't done s**t. Time for a change.
I honestly think right now that Harbaugh is picking players he sees fit to his system, other than high-roller FAs that might not translate/understand or pick up on things faster based off of athletic attributes, over mindful intangibles.

This team has WCO written all over it. 80% of the drafted/un-drafted players we have signed have college degrees/honors. You do the math.
Originally posted by 190836:
Some fans are trying to be optimistic and relate this melt down to Walsh's 78-79 era. I like Harbaugh, but he is no Bill Walsh and Jed is not his uncle Eddie. I am wondering what is behind this lack of commitment to improvement of the roster. Are they trying to clear house? Do they really believe in the players that they have? Is Harbaugh's ego so big that he thinks he could win with this team?

So chicken and egg here - how did you know Bill Wash was a "genius" before 1981? How did you know Eddie DeBartolo (who wanted to fire Walsh at one time) was a good owner until the end of 1984? It's funny that most of the questions you're raising are nearly identical to the questions people asked about Walsh. Do I think Harbaugh is Walsh? Maybe - maybe not. However, I'd be okay with a Sean Peyton.

However, since no game has been played and we aren't even looking at a complete roster with the start of the FA signing period being yesterday, I'd say the team is far from the "we believe we can win with this team" assumption.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
So unless you "feel like you're going to win" the super bowl then teams just shouldn't do s**t?

I dont understand that at all. No one is saying that by signing any of these FAs we're going to be instant SB winners but it would be a great start.

Hell, after 9 years of dog s**t football...I'd sign FAs so we can at least KNOW what it feels like to reach Wildcard or Divisional playoffs. These guys need to know what its like to actually WIN and be a part of a winning team. No, we may not reach the SB right away but we WOULD be on the upswing...and better players will want to come here next year.

I'm sorry but we've been "building through the draft" and "getting bargain FAs" since 2002 and it hasn't done s**t. Time for a change.

Like what kind of change? Grossly overpay top FA's to get them here? Harbaugh and Baalke aren't carrying the baggage of the last nine years like the fan base is and thank god for that. When the team show's enough improvement to be considered a legit playoff contender it will be easier to lure FA's and hopefully it won't be a mirage like it was in 2007 when we broke bank for Clements and Lewis and went hard after Adalius Thomas.

At this point going all in for the top FA's would be like doubling down with a pair of sixes.
THE MODS Are more active closing FA threads, than our FO is in Free agency.. :(


I'm cool with us picking up random players on offense, I hope our defense has enough tools to stay competitive.

Granted though, all those who are hating on shawntae and Brown, brown did ok in a few games last year and shawntae is relatively consistant.

If Fangio can coach them up, and if we can get pressure, maybe their weaknesses won't be as apparent this year?
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Originally posted by PTulini:
I'm going hold back my judgement for now. I think it's just that Trent Baalke was waiting for the FA market to settle down. There has been a lot of money thrown around over the last few days as teams tend to get aggressive. Now it appears we're getting into the 2nd tier of players. There are still a lot of good players available and now we can pay reasonable money for them as the prices fall. I think Trent Baalke is looking at "bang for the buck" scenarios. We have several holes to fill on this roster and now we can begin to spread the money around. I think we're being smart about it. Again, I'm going hold back my judgement for now. We still have a long way to go! Personally, I choose to be optimistic.

Ok, but one example of where I think the FO has lost it is Nick Barnett! Great player.
Say your theory is right. Once these second tier guys start coming into play, then the 49ers needed to move. The need for ilb is there and teams weren't lining up for NB services. We could have had a smart good player or at least made an offer, but we go immediately after a released seventh rounder. For special teams. We are going to have the best special teams in the history of the league.

f**k
starting to get a lil nervous and disapointed. on the bright side though the more days that pass the less money we will spend. at least we wont have salary cap problems.. silver linning perhaps?
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Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I've been watching the York-49ers flounder for 11 years now. I used to see see them do these inexplicable things and think "They must know what they're doing, right? There's got to be some larger plan and grand strategy that they're working on... right?"

Nope. They're just floundering. Like they always do. Year, after year, after year.

They make some good moves from time to time. But they always follow the good moves with some brainless inaction that robs all the momentum. It's always one step forward, two steps back. The 49ers were close this year. They had a reasonably talented roster and they hired a great young coach. On defense especially, they were only a couple players away from being legitimate. So what do they do? Gut the defense. Jettison 4-5 starters (Clements, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, maybe Goldson) while only having a plan to replace two of them (Bowman and Sopoaga), then sit back and hope that things will magically work out somehow. Then they have the gall to get in front of the microphones and say "We're gonna be patient. We believe in building through the draft."

Well, it's been 10 years and they still haven't built anything. Probably the best RB in 49er history is nearing the end of his career and he's never seen the playoffs; never had a winning season. The same fate is looming for Willis and Vernon Davis: squandering the best years of their football playing lives waiting for the York-49ers to get it all together.

Building a football team is not necessarily a matter of patience. There is a time for patience; and there is a time for urgency. Player careers are short. When you get a good core of good players, like we have (had) on defense, there's only a small window of opportunity.
I'm just pissed because we haven't gotten any better from last year, to me it appears we have gotten worse by a big shot. I guess I'll try and be patient and hope we can get some players in here. It just sucks when you lose 7 or so starters and don't replace them with players that are any better. I'll try and keep patient we still gotta wait for Goldson to decide and maybe after that we will become more active. We need to add a lot of bodies. We also need to add some starters. There's no doubt about that.
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
THE MODS Are more active closing FA threads, than our FO is in Free agency.. :(


I'm cool with us picking up random players on offense, I hope our defense has enough tools to stay competitive.

Granted though, all those who are hating on shawntae and Brown, brown did ok in a few games last year and shawntae is relatively consistant.

If Fangio can coach them up, and if we can get pressure, maybe their weaknesses won't be as apparent this year?

Because it's the FANS who know what they're doing, not Harbaugh, Fangio, Donnatell or others. I'm sure Baalke is acting alone without any input from the coaching staff and they are all just watching as they're held captive by Baalke and Marathe.
Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I'm starting to think now that they are really trying to blow things up. A complete overhaul if you will, ala what Nolan did in his first couple years.
Didn't brown get an almost starters contract last yeaR? or the year before? So obviously somebody has faith in him, I think our F.O is going to roll with what we got.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I'm starting to think now that they are really trying to blow things up. A complete overhaul if you will, ala what Nolan did in his first couple years.
When nolan came in our team was full of trash, our team isnt full trash right now.. so lack of moves is very disturbing.

[ Edited by unst4bl3 on Jul 30, 2011 at 14:41:49 ]
Originally posted by midrdan:
I think the new regime wants to develop their guys. Harbaugh comes from college, he's used to working with youth, and ultimately I think he'd prefer to create "his" team rather than sign a bunch of vets to plug holes. Reminds me of Walsh, who built him team through the draft and signed key free agents as finishing touches. I'm tired of people on this site complaining that we haven't made a big splash in free agency, as if we were a player or two away from greatness. I'd rather watch a young team come up together than a collection of Travis LaBoys.

You can't compare this to Walsh in '79. When Walsh got there he had a few good offensive linemen and that was it. The team had just come off a 2 - 14 season and they weren't even that good. This team has been 7-9, 8-8 and 6-10 and had underperformed from poor coaching. They did not need to be blown up. I don't remember Baalke or Harbaugh saying they were going to rebuild the team. This team was a pass rusher, some secondary help and some offensive imagination away from winning this terrible division. Now we let six starters walk away and we are going to be the worst team in a terrible division. We didn't have to make a big splash in free agency. We needed to sign most of our own free agents and add few good players.

I don't know about everybody else, but after 8 years of "rebuilding" I'm not into rebuilding again. Plus, to compare Jim Harbaugh to Bill Walsh before he has even coached a game in the NFL is quite a stretch. It looks to me like we have the same problem we've had for the last decade - bad management. The problem is we have a boy, his idiot father and some boy wonders running the team and we have been terrible since the day they walked in. I wish they would take their $925M (or whatever) and just leave. Larry Ellison will pay them.