Are we seeing a horribly managed free agency? Or something bigger?

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by Ajanke:
I'm just pissed because we haven't gotten any better from last year, to me it appears we have gotten worse by a big shot. I guess I'll try and be patient and hope we can get some players in here. It just sucks when you lose 7 or so starters and don't replace them with players that are any better. I'll try and keep patient we still gotta wait for Goldson to decide and maybe after that we will become more active. We need to add a lot of bodies. We also need to add some starters. There's no doubt about that.

Very true and we're watching the best FA class in the history of the NFL pass us by!

We will sign T.O for teh Vet Minimum is my guess.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by Ajanke:
I'm just pissed because we haven't gotten any better from last year, to me it appears we have gotten worse by a big shot. I guess I'll try and be patient and hope we can get some players in here. It just sucks when you lose 7 or so starters and don't replace them with players that are any better. I'll try and keep patient we still gotta wait for Goldson to decide and maybe after that we will become more active. We need to add a lot of bodies. We also need to add some starters. There's no doubt about that.

Very true and we're watching the best FA class in the history of the NFL pass us by!

We will sign T.O for teh Vet Minimum is my guess.

I'd be down if T.O. could run a route. I'm thinking it's pretty hard to do that though on a torn ACL

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I've been watching the York-49ers flounder for 11 years now. I used to see see them do these inexplicable things and think "They must know what they're doing, right? There's got to be some larger plan and grand strategy that they're working on... right?"

Nope. They're just floundering. Like they always do. Year, after year, after year.

They make some good moves from time to time. But they always follow the good moves with some brainless inaction that robs all the momentum. It's always one step forward, two steps back. The 49ers were close this year. They had a reasonably talented roster and they hired a great young coach. On defense especially, they were only a couple players away from being legitimate. So what do they do? Gut the defense. Jettison 4-5 starters (Clements, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, maybe Goldson) while only having a plan to replace two of them (Bowman and Sopoaga), then sit back and hope that things will magically work out somehow. Then they have the gall to get in front of the microphones and say "We're gonna be patient. We believe in building through the draft."

Well, it's been 10 years and they still haven't built anything. Probably the best RB in 49er history is nearing the end of his career and he's never seen the playoffs; never had a winning season. The same fate is looming for Willis and Vernon Davis: squandering the best years of their football playing lives waiting for the York-49ers to get it all together.

Building a football team is not necessarily a matter of patience. There is a time for patience; and there is a time for urgency. Player careers are short. When you get a good core of good players, like we have (had) on defense, there's only a small window of opportunity.

Plain and simple, we need new owners. And there ARE people out there who want to buy a pro football team.

Originally posted by Ajanke:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by Ajanke:
I'm just pissed because we haven't gotten any better from last year, to me it appears we have gotten worse by a big shot. I guess I'll try and be patient and hope we can get some players in here. It just sucks when you lose 7 or so starters and don't replace them with players that are any better. I'll try and keep patient we still gotta wait for Goldson to decide and maybe after that we will become more active. We need to add a lot of bodies. We also need to add some starters. There's no doubt about that.

Very true and we're watching the best FA class in the history of the NFL pass us by!

We will sign T.O for teh Vet Minimum is my guess.

I'd be down if T.O. could run a route. I'm thinking it's pretty hard to do that though on a torn ACL

sources say he will likely be out till nov and that would be quick for a 37 year old man.

Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I've been watching the York-49ers flounder for 11 years now. I used to see see them do these inexplicable things and think "They must know what they're doing, right? There's got to be some larger plan and grand strategy that they're working on... right?"

Nope. They're just floundering. Like they always do. Year, after year, after year.

They make some good moves from time to time. But they always follow the good moves with some brainless inaction that robs all the momentum. It's always one step forward, two steps back. The 49ers were close this year. They had a reasonably talented roster and they hired a great young coach. On defense especially, they were only a couple players away from being legitimate. So what do they do? Gut the defense. Jettison 4-5 starters (Clements, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, maybe Goldson) while only having a plan to replace two of them (Bowman and Sopoaga), then sit back and hope that things will magically work out somehow. Then they have the gall to get in front of the microphones and say "We're gonna be patient. We believe in building through the draft."

Well, it's been 10 years and they still haven't built anything. Probably the best RB in 49er history is nearing the end of his career and he's never seen the playoffs; never had a winning season. The same fate is looming for Willis and Vernon Davis: squandering the best years of their football playing lives waiting for the York-49ers to get it all together.

Building a football team is not necessarily a matter of patience. There is a time for patience; and there is a time for urgency. Player careers are short. When you get a good core of good players, like we have (had) on defense, there's only a small window of opportunity.

Plain and simple, we need new owners. And there ARE people out there who want to buy a pro football team.

if we had tom brady on the niners last year we would have went deep into the playoffs with the yorks as our owner. we need good coaching and solid players. the only thing the yorks do is write checks.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

I agree. Stepping back, it is absolutely astonishing that a team as bad as the 49ers has lost 7 starters and not signed a single free agent to replace them. And Alex Smith is our biggest issue...jesus christ. Somehow I think Smith could put similar numbers to Kolb up if he had spent his career as a back-up in Philly instead of a starter here.

The only way this team is saved is if Harbaugh works a miracle (not likely), or some of these rookies turn into pro bowls in year 1 (highly unlikely). I've gone from sad to pissed off at this franchise.

[ Edited by bzborow1 on Jul 30, 2011 at 15:14:17 ]

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I've been watching the York-49ers flounder for 11 years now. I used to see see them do these inexplicable things and think "They must know what they're doing, right? There's got to be some larger plan and grand strategy that they're working on... right?"

Nope. They're just floundering. Like they always do. Year, after year, after year.

They make some good moves from time to time. But they always follow the good moves with some brainless inaction that robs all the momentum. It's always one step forward, two steps back. The 49ers were close this year. They had a reasonably talented roster and they hired a great young coach. On defense especially, they were only a couple players away from being legitimate. So what do they do? Gut the defense. Jettison 4-5 starters (Clements, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, maybe Goldson) while only having a plan to replace two of them (Bowman and Sopoaga), then sit back and hope that things will magically work out somehow. Then they have the gall to get in front of the microphones and say "We're gonna be patient. We believe in building through the draft."

Well, it's been 10 years and they still haven't built anything. Probably the best RB in 49er history is nearing the end of his career and he's never seen the playoffs; never had a winning season. The same fate is looming for Willis and Vernon Davis: squandering the best years of their football playing lives waiting for the York-49ers to get it all together.

Building a football team is not necessarily a matter of patience. There is a time for patience; and there is a time for urgency. Player careers are short. When you get a good core of good players, like we have (had) on defense, there's only a small window of opportunity.

If I ever see you in a bar, I'm buying you a few rounds of beer......

My favorite post of the day.

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jul 30, 2011 at 15:18:47 ]

Originally posted by Ajanke:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by Ajanke:
I'm just pissed because we haven't gotten any better from last year, to me it appears we have gotten worse by a big shot. I guess I'll try and be patient and hope we can get some players in here. It just sucks when you lose 7 or so starters and don't replace them with players that are any better. I'll try and keep patient we still gotta wait for Goldson to decide and maybe after that we will become more active. We need to add a lot of bodies. We also need to add some starters. There's no doubt about that.

Very true and we're watching the best FA class in the history of the NFL pass us by!

We will sign T.O for teh Vet Minimum is my guess.

I'd be down if T.O. could run a route. I'm thinking it's pretty hard to do that though on a torn ACL

But, but I thought his agent said he was almost fully healed....

The plan is to finish last and grab Luck in the draft for a 5 yr $23mil deal. Luck starts, backed by Kap then Alex or if Alex has a decent year trade him for a B- free agent to plug a need.

Nnamdi and Joseph wanted to win now and went to better teams because of it. Why should we throw tons of money at them with are QB situation the way it is? What did the Nate Clements deal get us?

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Because it's the FANS who know what they're doing, not Harbaugh, Fangio, Donnatell or others. I'm sure Baalke is acting alone without any input from the coaching staff and they are all just watching as they're held captive by Baalke and Marathe.

Because it can't be Baalke's fault for this ridiculous offseason....please....there is no doubt in my mind that I could run this team a lot better than this front office can....

Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:

Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I've been watching the York-49ers flounder for 11 years now. I used to see see them do these inexplicable things and think "They must know what they're doing, right? There's got to be some larger plan and grand strategy that they're working on... right?"

Nope. They're just floundering. Like they always do. Year, after year, after year.

They make some good moves from time to time. But they always follow the good moves with some brainless inaction that robs all the momentum. It's always one step forward, two steps back. The 49ers were close this year. They had a reasonably talented roster and they hired a great young coach. On defense especially, they were only a couple players away from being legitimate. So what do they do? Gut the defense. Jettison 4-5 starters (Clements, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, maybe Goldson) while only having a plan to replace two of them (Bowman and Sopoaga), then sit back and hope that things will magically work out somehow. Then they have the gall to get in front of the microphones and say "We're gonna be patient. We believe in building through the draft."

Well, it's been 10 years and they still haven't built anything. Probably the best RB in 49er history is nearing the end of his career and he's never seen the playoffs; never had a winning season. The same fate is looming for Willis and Vernon Davis: squandering the best years of their football playing lives waiting for the York-49ers to get it all together.

Building a football team is not necessarily a matter of patience. There is a time for patience; and there is a time for urgency. Player careers are short. When you get a good core of good players, like we have (had) on defense, there's only a small window of opportunity.

Plain and simple, we need new owners. And there ARE people out there who want to buy a pro football team.

if we had tom brady on the niners last year we would have went deep into the playoffs with the yorks as our owner. we need good coaching and solid players. the only thing the yorks do is write checks.

I have to disagree with you there, we still had coach sing.. we still would have went 3 and out.

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Because it is increasingly more obvious, daily, that Trent has no idea what he is doing. Let's stop making excuses for him. There appears to be no real plan, and we continue to be blindsided by player personnel matters, whether in the draft or free agency.

The Nate Clements debackle is just another example. Is he cut, or not cut? Yes, no, yes. Oops, we didn't get Nnamdi. Oops, we didn't get Joseph. Oops, we didn't get Marshall. Oops, Kelly Gregg gone.

It is becoming more comical daily.

P.S. Hell, we have one of the nicest, least "me" players in the NFL, Frank Gore, holding out. That is all you need to know.

I agree. Stepping back, it is absolutely astonishing that a team as bad as the 49ers has lost 7 starters and not signed a single free agent to replace them. And Alex Smith is our biggest issue...jesus christ. Somehow I think Smith could put similar numbers to Kolb up if he had spent his career as a back-up in Philly instead of a starter here.

The only way this team is saved is if Harbaugh works a miracle (not likely), or some of these rookies turn into pro bowls in year 1 (highly unlikely). I've gone from sad to pissed off at this franchise.

hate to say it but i agree. trent is a scout and draft guy. he has no idea how to micro manage a team or play the fa market. this was a bad hire imo. he seems to be solid in the draft but thats only one small part of the job. scotty would have bagged few solid players by now via fa.

[ Edited by OptimusPrime52 on Jul 30, 2011 at 15:22:29 ]

Originally posted by dbdublin:

Originally posted by midrdan:
I think the new regime wants to develop their guys. Harbaugh comes from college, he's used to working with youth, and ultimately I think he'd prefer to create "his" team rather than sign a bunch of vets to plug holes. Reminds me of Walsh, who built him team through the draft and signed key free agents as finishing touches. I'm tired of people on this site complaining that we haven't made a big splash in free agency, as if we were a player or two away from greatness. I'd rather watch a young team come up together than a collection of Travis LaBoys.

You can't compare this to Walsh in '79. When Walsh got there he had a few good offensive linemen and that was it. The team had just come off a 2 - 14 season and they weren't even that good. This team has been 7-9, 8-8 and 6-10 and had underperformed from poor coaching. They did not need to be blown up. I don't remember Baalke or Harbaugh saying they were going to rebuild the team. This team was a pass rusher, some secondary help and some offensive imagination away from winning this terrible division. Now we let six starters walk away and we are going to be the worst team in a terrible division. We didn't have to make a big splash in free agency. We needed to sign most of our own free agents and add few good players.

I don't know about everybody else, but after 8 years of "rebuilding" I'm not into rebuilding again. Plus, to compare Jim Harbaugh to Bill Walsh before he has even coached a game in the NFL is quite a stretch. It looks to me like we have the same problem we've had for the last decade - bad management. The problem is we have a boy, his idiot father and some boy wonders running the team and we have been terrible since the day they walked in. I wish they would take their $925M (or whatever) and just leave. Larry Ellison will pay them.

Yep...this is a disgracefully managed FA season...

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:

Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JustMike:
In just a few short days, we all went from being happy that football is back, to bickering over the front office and this free agency. But instead of seeing this as a failure as some have suggested, maybe this is the plan.
Maybe this teams personel is very much all wrong for the kind of team Harbaugh and co. are wanting to build. We have had nearly a decade of horrible to mediocre football, instead of trying to build little by little and trying to turn a group of players 180 degrees, why not blow it up and build from scratch?
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of the moves, thus far, add up:
Alex Smith: better a vet with little chance to succeed take the lumps during the mass transition.
Releasing some vets: out with the old and in with youth, to be trained in their earliest stages of there careers.

This is my thinking, it may be flawed or right on the money. I think its a risky move and I am for it, I would rather this team set itself up for a long stretch of success than a inconsistant run with lots of bumps in the road.

What do you people think?

I've been watching the York-49ers flounder for 11 years now. I used to see see them do these inexplicable things and think "They must know what they're doing, right? There's got to be some larger plan and grand strategy that they're working on... right?"

Nope. They're just floundering. Like they always do. Year, after year, after year.

They make some good moves from time to time. But they always follow the good moves with some brainless inaction that robs all the momentum. It's always one step forward, two steps back. The 49ers were close this year. They had a reasonably talented roster and they hired a great young coach. On defense especially, they were only a couple players away from being legitimate. So what do they do? Gut the defense. Jettison 4-5 starters (Clements, Lawson, Spikes, Franklin, maybe Goldson) while only having a plan to replace two of them (Bowman and Sopoaga), then sit back and hope that things will magically work out somehow. Then they have the gall to get in front of the microphones and say "We're gonna be patient. We believe in building through the draft."

Well, it's been 10 years and they still haven't built anything. Probably the best RB in 49er history is nearing the end of his career and he's never seen the playoffs; never had a winning season. The same fate is looming for Willis and Vernon Davis: squandering the best years of their football playing lives waiting for the York-49ers to get it all together.

Building a football team is not necessarily a matter of patience. There is a time for patience; and there is a time for urgency. Player careers are short. When you get a good core of good players, like we have (had) on defense, there's only a small window of opportunity.

Plain and simple, we need new owners. And there ARE people out there who want to buy a pro football team.

if we had tom brady on the niners last year we would have went deep into the playoffs with the yorks as our owner. we need good coaching and solid players. the only thing the yorks do is write checks.

I have to disagree with you there, we still had coach sing.. we still would have went 3 and out.

thats your opinion and i respect it. sing was a sack of #$#$