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I really hate analogies like this. The best football players are usually the best athletes. Having leadership, good "character" and a clean background are bonuses, they do not make you a good football player whatsoever.
Why does a good athlete have to be more ME focused as you say? How does that assumption make any sense?
That's not what this is about. It's whether teamwork and good coaching can trump superior athleticism. Often it does.
Hell, the first Niners championship was won against an opponent that was probably athletically superior, and favored to win the game. Ditto Jets vs. Baltimore a few years before. Good teamwork and the right game plan can neutralize a team of athletes who play for themselves and not as a team.
Thats not at all what he said. He said good athletes are typically more ME centric. That good athletes are not typically "good football players". Guess what? everyone in the NFL is a world class athlete, that is not in question. No one on earth would argue that anything can replace efficient teamwork in football.
The point of the thread was to relate athleticism to character. They have absolutely no correlation. Teams absolutely NEED athletes to win. The 81 niners are no exception. A freakishly athletic secondary comprised of 3 rookies took them from a loser to a winner in 1 offseason.
Not talking about character, talking about the ability to play within a scheme and be coachable. It's one thing to run a 4.2 in a straight line, another to run a 4.2 in between the tackles with Ray Lewis on the other side. I'm talking about hunger!
The superstars goal is to get to the NFL and make millions, the gritty football players goal is to be better today than he was yesterday! His goal is to honor the game, hoping to be mentioned with the best someday instead of expecting to be mentioned with the best, or wonering why he isn't being mentioned with the best!
For the record, not all NFL players are world class athletes. Some are just dahm good football players!
For the record, if you are a starter in the NFL you are a world class athlete. You don't have to be fast to be an athlete.
"Athletes are more ME focused". That is relating athleticism to character no matter how you want to spin it.
You speak of athleticism as if it takes away from hunger, coachability, humbleness, and leadership. That is the problem I have.
Vernon Davis does not at all look natural catching the ball, he definitely isn't the smartest tool in the shed. He dominates with athleticism
Jerry Rice is the best of both worlds, he was an athlete that could play some football. What has VD dominated to this point?
Race car drivers are described as athletes as well right? I am in no way saying that ALL GREAT/GOOD athletes are ME focused. Look at Welker, Hienz Ward, Marvin Harrison I could go on & on. However a nice percentage R. Moss, Jackson (eagles), Primetime... I could go on & on, I doubt if JH wants to deal with that type of athlete!
Lol, WOW. you don't think a guy like Primetime would be welcomed by any coach on any team at any time? I am completely done. You don't need to get a hard on for the personality of every "football player" that you root for.
How many teams did Primetime play for when he was in his prime? How many teams let him walk in his prime?
Athletes serve a purpose in football, but it is never a good idea to build your team around the super star, build around football players and add a super star athlete ala prime time in SF (last super bowl) when you find that you are missing that piece.
Took multiple teams over the top into the superbowl. Please stop embarrassing yourself. There is a reason why everyone in the hall of fame is there.
Prime time has two rings from teams that were on top when he got there.
Took multiple teams to the superbowl, how mant times did he go to the superbowl with the Falcons, redskins, & ravens?