Team Workouts Thread

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
For real, this is just an over-reaction because we are bored...
Crabtree is fine. Let's see how his work ethic is now that we have an offensive minded coach. Let's worry if he shows up Fat or Drunk but as of now, he is probably studying the playbook on his own and staying in shape. When Alex starts the minicamps than lets see how many players show up including Crabs.
I am surprised though that people aren't offended by Vernon or Gore or Willis when they are the leaders on the team and "Captains." Shouldn't they set an example. Crabs is just a 3rd year under-achiever that has been unmotivated because his high school offense was more dynamic than ours has been. All our guys will be much better in our new offense.

Vernon and Alex have good chemistry. Willis is a beast and has proven it. What Crabtree has proven is that he doesn't yet have chemistry with Alex and that was apparent last season. Out of all the players on the team he could probably benefit the MOST from taking passes from Alex right now. The fact is he could be right now and he isn't. If he had shown half the work ethic Alex has shown he would not be getting railed by the posters. This is the third out of three seasons that Crabtree is not putting in the necessary amount of preseason work required to be a successful #1 WR. I see many Crabtree related picks in the future.

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

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Originally posted by ninertico:

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Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

Excuse me, but the proof is in NOT showing up.

Since he's been drafted, he's demonstrated poor work ethic, period. You SHOW up. You do whatever it takes to get the chemistry down with your QB. He's NOT a hard worker. He only does enough and that's has been his MO. Heck, the last two years prove it.

Now he had a chance, and still nothing. A perfect example of this is the fact that he's in the Bay Area and has yet to practice with Alex. Over a week now and nothing.

His co-worker, Alex, is organizing "meetings", leading sessions and going out of his way to make other less advantaged players with no money a way to get them to the practices like Johnson. That's work ethic--Alex embodies it.

Michael just doesn't get "it". His work ethic speaks volumes to his lack of understanding what it means. Even Vernon had to clarify it with him at huge volumes. It seems more about entitlement with Crabs more than anything else.

He needs to get in there period, right now! Stop hangin' out with his buds and work out with who he needs to work with--that's his teammates, not some QB who is not even showing him the new ropes and making random throws.

WTH is soooo confusing about Michael Crabtree's LACK of work ethic?

LOL, you seem to have your mind made up anyways. the facts don't seem to matter.

I guess every other receiver who's not out there catching balls has poor work ethic too.

Where's Vernon? Poor work ethic.
Frank? He's fully recovered. Where is he? Poor work ethic.

Hypocrisy.

Here is some facts/stats:

Crabtree's rookie season: appeared in 11 games, targetted 86 times for 48 catches (56% completion rate) for 625 yards. Average of 4.4 receptions per game for 57 yards.

Crabtree's 2nd season: appeared in all 16 games, targetted 101 times for 55 catches (54% completion rate) for 741 yards. Average of 3.4 receptions per game for 46 yards.

As a rookie he accounted for 20% (625/3293) of all receiving yards that season having played in only 11 games.

As a second year pro he accounted for 20.5% (741/3613) of all receiving yards last season playing in all 16 games.

He's regressed.

During his contract dispute he was working out with Deon, had ex NFL players throwing to him, all in an effort to show that he can play at this level, which he did and played very well. When he signed the contract, he and Alex spent two weeks throwing together to help form some chemistry and it showed.

One year later, he doesn't have that chip on his shoulder, he knows he can come in with limited practice and be our best receiver... he has gotten complacent. It's the same fundamental situation he was in with his contract dispute... he has an opportunity to get reps with his QB... as a rookie with a chip on his shoulder he took the opportunity...now he is no longer taking advantage of those opportunities. Call it what you want but to me that seems like a lack of effort/motivation.

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Originally posted by NinerGM:
You're right none of us know the whole store. My challenge - to any player - shut me up. Perform. I don't notice that you're not practicing when you're performing.

We will see. Until that point, he's suspect not because of what doesn't happen at practice, but because what hasn't happened on the field. Again, we shall see. Time will tell.

Then we'll all know the whole story. However, as someone who's been watching a long time (an played a bit), I know that there are very few so gifted that they don't need to work very hard. Again, I agree you can call is speculation, but it's not like we haven't seen this before in the NFL.

Again, Sundays will tell it all.

GM

Originally posted by NinerGM:
You're right none of us know the whole story. My challenge - to any player - shut me up. Perform. I don't notice that you're not practicing when you're performing.

We will see. Until that point, he's suspect not because of what doesn't happen at practice, but because what hasn't happened on the field. Again, we shall see. Time will tell.

Then we'll all know the whole story. However, as someone who's been watching a long time (an played a bit), I know that there are very few so gifted that they don't need to work very hard. Again, I agree you can call is speculation, but it's not like we haven't seen this before in the NFL.

Again, Sundays will tell it all.

GM

One thing for sure he's putting a lot of pressure on himself. But you are correct. If he performs this will disappear. but if he doesn't perform then this will build and build. And with him never talking to the media at some point it will get testy.

Where are these dudes working out at ?? Some of us should go there and ask if we can work out with them.

Originally posted by susweel:
Where are these dudes working out at ?? Some of us should go there and ask if we can work out with them.

somebody should just show up dressed up like crabtree and start running routes

Originally posted by susweel:
Where are these dudes working out at ?? Some of us should go there and ask if we can work out with them.

Lol, why ask... Do you know what I would give for a picture of Justin Smith carrying me off the field after I tried to line up with them? Then afterwards I would try and get him to sign it

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Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

The fans are way too entitled. I think Crabs is a non-issue. The biggest issue is the guy throwing him the ball. But Alex is a nice guy and a hard worker so he'll put in a pro bowl performance next year.

Yes, receivers and their work ethic don't matter. Montana, Young and even Garcia won all those games on offense on their own. They all had no-name, lazy, WRs who didn't really practice all that much, missed preseasons and got faint praise from their teammates.


NOT

Since when has not showing up to an optional workout = poor work ethic?

80% of the team has not shown up to these stupid workouts. My goodness, at least have a better argument.

I'm done...maybe it's the lockout, but there's far too much whining on this board.

You're done? Does that mean you'll start showing up to the practices, Michael? Yes, that's right, MICHAEL. I know who you are. You're actually Crabtree. Who else would so blindly alibi a guy that so clearly has underperformed and so clearly not have a team-first attitude? I'm sure you agreed with Iverson when he dissed practicing in basketball. So, since you'tre obviously Crabtree himself, there's no point in arguing any longer. Just please, please, put in the work, esp with your potential QB's. It'll really pay off; just ask the great ones.

Crabtree will be the best Niner WR in history when it's all said and done.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Crabtree will be the best Niner WR in history when it's all said and done.

oh god

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Crabtree will be the best Niner WR in history when it's all said and done.

Haha, press pause on Madden and come join us in reality.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Imagine if most of those passes were actually catch-able, meaning not behind him or over his head and were actually on target in stride..........man he would be a probowler

Bad definition. Not mutually exclusive.

When the ball hits your hands....

Yes your correct QB and Wr are not mutually exclusive. The wr success is dependent on the qb having success and vice versa. That's what i was getting at.

I didnt clarify myself good enough, i guess. One good example, of the many, would be the time Alex threw the ball to Frank Gore when they played against the Saints. It was a simple pass to the flat and Alex was unable to throw it accurately. Yeah the "ball hit his hands" but was not catch-able and led to a interception.

Im sure you're now going to tell me that Frank Gore is not a good receiver out of the backfield and should have done a better job to an amazing catch.

reason why is probally because his route running isnt that good before you say its an excuse look at the facts:

alex to vernon were 40 for 60 which is 67%

alex to morgan were 34 for 51 also 67%

alex to walker were 15 of 22 also for 68%

alex to ziegler were 8 for 11 for 72%

alex to crabtree 38 for 67 for 58%


so every wr that PRACTICES WITH ALEX GETS A QB % OF OVER 66%

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by susweel:
Where are these dudes working out at ?? Some of us should go there and ask if we can work out with them.

Lol, why ask... Do you know what I would give for a picture of Justin Smith carrying me off the field after I tried to line up with them? Then afterwards I would try and get him to sign it