Team Workouts Thread

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

All I know is from history, Alex Smith isn't a guy who's going to individually call out a player through the media, especially since Smith isn't even a 49ers.

I think we are all reading into this too much and that maybe because Carr is the only 49ers QB signed right now and he is the one making the calls and contacting the players. It seemed to me that Alex was saying it more from the perspective of a guy who truthfully isn't dealing with that because Carr is. We don't even know how much more Alex is translating the playbook than is Carr...it's just that reporters are ONLY reporting what Smith is or isn't doing and not reporting anything about what Carr (our only QB signed) is or isn't doing.

And I would like to add that due to Crabtrees history of not putting in the same "sweat" everyone else has put in, his absence can reasonably be taken in a negative way.

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

The fans are way too entitled. I think Crabs is a non-issue. The biggest issue is the guy throwing him the ball. But Alex is a nice guy and a hard worker so he'll put in a pro bowl performance next year.

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

The fans are way too entitled. I think Crabs is a non-issue. The biggest issue is the guy throwing him the ball. But Alex is a nice guy and a hard worker so he'll put in a pro bowl performance next year.

who gives a s**t about alex being a nice guy all we want is for crabs to atleast so a little interest, thats it.

I wanna hear Crabs' side of the story. I mean why wouldn't he jump at the chance to get an early jump on the new offense?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by Druckenmiller14:

Originally posted by JayBee:
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

The fans are way too entitled. I think Crabs is a non-issue. The biggest issue is the guy throwing him the ball. But Alex is a nice guy and a hard worker so he'll put in a pro bowl performance next year.

Yes, receivers and their work ethic don't matter. Montana, Young and even Garcia won all those games on offense on their own. They all had no-name, lazy, WRs who didn't really practice all that much, missed preseasons and got faint praise from their teammates.


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Since when has not showing up to an optional workout = poor work ethic?

80% of the team has not shown up to these stupid workouts. My goodness, at least have a better argument.

I'm done...maybe it's the lockout, but there's far too much whining on this board.

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Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

So coaches quotes are infallible?

"Coach Mike Singletary, who on Sunday said Raye would remain coordinator for the rest of the season, said he made the decision to fire Raye after spending the night looking at game film."

Here's another coaches quote:

"We didn't get better on the field in practice, but we got better as a team," Singletary said. "This was a good thing that happened, it really was, for a number of reasons that I won't even go into. I appreciate Vernon speaking from his heart. ... (This) indeed is every bit the reason why I made him captain.

So I guess VD was in a heated altercation speaking from his heart because Crabtree said "yo mamma?" Doubt it.

Oh an please show me where a coach says Crabtree is a very hard worker? I know Roger Craig said he "thought" Crabtree was a hard worker but outside of his rookie season to get on the field, where has a coach said Crabtree works hard?

Speculation, speculation.

How about this...

Singletary also said he almost made first-round draft pick Michael Crabtree cry. Singletary found him running routes during the first minicamp and admonished him for running before he was cleared by the medical staff. Crabtree is recovering from off-season foot surgery.

Singletary recounted the conversation he had with his prized rookie.

"'I've got nothing against you. I'm not angry or anything. I just want you to know, you have to do everything the doctors want you to do so that you can get better.' I said, 'I'm not worried about what you can do.' I said, 'I know. We drafted you at No. 10. We know what you can do. We just want to make sure that when you come out here, you're ready to go.' So, he's done the things that he needs to do, spending a lot of time with (receivers coach Jerry] Sullivan. I know Jerry is excited about what he's seeing as well."

Funny how a guy with poor work ethic was out running routes before he was medically cleared to.

And how about this other article...

49ers coach Mike Singletary said he's been impressed with second-year WR Michael Crabtree during the offseason workouts. This is Crabtree's first full offseason after dealing with a foot injury and a holdout last year. "I think Crabtree continues to really carry himself well," Singletary said. "He works his tail off and is getting the work done that he needs to get done. So, I think Michael Crabtree has had a good OTA, a good minicamp." The offseason work should help his production, and he should develop chemistry with QB Alex Smith in training camp, which Crabtree didn't have last season.

Clearly Crabs is not a hard worker.

WHy did VD lay into Crabtree again? What did Sing say about it? Yeah...he's the hardest worker on the field.

You just don't like the guy, I understand. Most people here seem to pick sides anyways.

So when I quote Singletary it's speculation, when you quote Singletary it's gospel? Talk about double standard. The point is this; if you're a really hard worker on the team then players wouldn't say that "Crabtree isn't even the best receiver on the team." You know what voice is painfully absent instead your contradictory, recently fired coach? I don't hear TEAMMATES saying that Crabtree is a hard worker.

It's not about like, it's about hustle. No, I don't LIKE LAZY PLAYERS regardless of WHO they are.

You don't see the difference? You are SPECULATING about what the fight was about.

I posted 2 different instances straight from Sing's MOUTH that Crabs was a hard worker.

Please name a player who has come out and said something about Crabs' work ethic. Provide me some frigging quotes instead of speculation and assumption. Can you do that?

Do you even know what speculation is?

Does this guy remind anybody else of Jordan? Or is it just me?

Are people forgetting that Singletary babied the sh*t out of Crabtree?

You want quotes? You're in the wrong league buddy. No one will come on an directly insult another player on their team, and if they do they get nicknamed "Team Obliterator" and won't be with that team much longer. Coaches & Players blow positive smoke up the media's behind because that is what the PR department has coached them to do. No one is gonna come out against a teamate and just be like "yeah... dude just sucks."

It's perfectly reasonable for fans to form opinions based on player conduct during games, articles of beat writers, and anything else we hear... thats all we get to see.

For example, heres two quotes about Crabtree if you want them:

"Carr said that the group intended to contact Crabtree and ask him to join their training session" from Barrows

"Smith was asked why Crabtree was missing.

"Great question," he said. "Asking the wrong guy, honestly."" from the SacBee.

Fans hear this and think "huh? Crabs is in the bay... he's on the team.. does he really need to be invited? WTF else is he doing?" One would think the #1 WR would show up at least at one practice just to put the other WR's in their place and show them "have fun competing for the #2 spot". All the great ones have that attitude and fans are just waiting to see it from Crabs, thats where the frustration lies.

The fans are way too entitled. I think Crabs is a non-issue. The biggest issue is the guy throwing him the ball. But Alex is a nice guy and a hard worker so he'll put in a pro bowl performance next year.

Yes, receivers and their work ethic don't matter. Montana, Young and even Garcia won all those games on offense on their own. They all had no-name, lazy, WRs who didn't really practice all that much, missed preseasons and got faint praise from their teammates.


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Since when has not showing up to an optional workout = poor work ethic?

80% of the team has not shown up to these stupid workouts. My goodness, at least have a better argument.

I'm done...maybe it's the lockout, but there's far too much whining on this board.

It has been reported that other teams had bigger turnouts for their workout sessions.

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Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

Excuse me, but the proof is in NOT showing up.

Since he's been drafted, he's demonstrated poor work ethic, period. You SHOW up. You do whatever it takes to get the chemistry down with your QB. He's NOT a hard worker. He only does enough and that's has been his MO. Heck, the last two years prove it.

Now he had a chance, and still nothing. A perfect example of this is the fact that he's in the Bay Area and has yet to practice with Alex. Over a week now and nothing.

His co-worker, Alex, is organizing "meetings", leading sessions and going out of his way to make other less advantaged players with no money a way to get them to the practices like Johnson. That's work ethic--Alex embodies it.

Michael just doesn't get "it". His work ethic speaks volumes to his lack of understanding what it means. Even Vernon had to clarify it with him at huge volumes. It seems more about entitlement with Crabs more than anything else.

He needs to get in there period, right now! Stop hangin' out with his buds and work out with who he needs to work with--that's his teammates, not some QB who is not even showing him the new ropes and making random throws.

WTH is soooo confusing about Michael Crabtree's LACK of work ethic?

LOL, you seem to have your mind made up anyways. the facts don't seem to matter.

I guess every other receiver who's not out there catching balls has poor work ethic too.

Where's Vernon? Poor work ethic.
Frank? He's fully recovered. Where is he? Poor work ethic.

Hypocrisy.

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Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

Excuse me, but the proof is in NOT showing up.

Since he's been drafted, he's demonstrated poor work ethic, period. You SHOW up. You do whatever it takes to get the chemistry down with your QB. He's NOT a hard worker. He only does enough and that's has been his MO. Heck, the last two years prove it.

Now he had a chance, and still nothing. A perfect example of this is the fact that he's in the Bay Area and has yet to practice with Alex. Over a week now and nothing.

His co-worker, Alex, is organizing "meetings", leading sessions and going out of his way to make other less advantaged players with no money a way to get them to the practices like Johnson. That's work ethic--Alex embodies it.

Michael just doesn't get "it". His work ethic speaks volumes to his lack of understanding what it means. Even Vernon had to clarify it with him at huge volumes. It seems more about entitlement with Crabs more than anything else.

He needs to get in there period, right now! Stop hangin' out with his buds and work out with who he needs to work with--that's his teammates, not some QB who is not even showing him the new ropes and making random throws.

WTH is soooo confusing about Michael Crabtree's LACK of work ethic?

LOL, you seem to have your mind made up anyways. the facts don't seem to matter.

I guess every other receiver who's not out there catching balls has poor work ethic too.

Where's Vernon? Poor work ethic.
Frank? He's fully recovered. Where is he? Poor work ethic.

Hypocrisy.

Yea a lot of folks going overboard with Crabtree not being their for these workouts. If you gonna crush him then you need to crush everybody that isn't their. i'll call the guy lazy when I see reports of him being out of shape, or not being able to keep when training camp starts. These little practices aren't even on par with a guy missing ota's. And I've never thought missing ota's was that big of a deal. If the guy was ducking training camp then I would have a different opinion.

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Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.

Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.

Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.

Davis got in Crabtree's face during practice because he didn't feel Crabtree was putting forth enough effort. Vernon felt something was wrong with the way MC was going about his business. But maybe you know better than he does.

Also Crabtree was among league leaders in dropped passes. To me thats a sign of lack of concentration. Before last season, and in the offseason, did he workout a lot with Alex Smith? Did he go the extra mile to make sure they were on the same page during the season.

Please provide proof. I can provide proof that he's a hard worker from the mouths of his coaches. So like I said, provide proof instead of speculation.

All you know about Crabtree is the limited information you get from reporters. You are not in the locker room, you're not in on his discussions with Alex. If his coaches tell me he's a hard worker, then that's who I'm going with.

Excuse me, but the proof is in NOT showing up.

Since he's been drafted, he's demonstrated poor work ethic, period. You SHOW up. You do whatever it takes to get the chemistry down with your QB. He's NOT a hard worker. He only does enough and that's has been his MO. Heck, the last two years prove it.

Now he had a chance, and still nothing. A perfect example of this is the fact that he's in the Bay Area and has yet to practice with Alex. Over a week now and nothing.

His co-worker, Alex, is organizing "meetings", leading sessions and going out of his way to make other less advantaged players with no money a way to get them to the practices like Johnson. That's work ethic--Alex embodies it.

Michael just doesn't get "it". His work ethic speaks volumes to his lack of understanding what it means. Even Vernon had to clarify it with him at huge volumes. It seems more about entitlement with Crabs more than anything else.

He needs to get in there period, right now! Stop hangin' out with his buds and work out with who he needs to work with--that's his teammates, not some QB who is not even showing him the new ropes and making random throws.

WTH is soooo confusing about Michael Crabtree's LACK of work ethic?

LOL, you seem to have your mind made up anyways. the facts don't seem to matter.

I guess every other receiver who's not out there catching balls has poor work ethic too.

Where's Vernon? Poor work ethic.
Frank? He's fully recovered. Where is he? Poor work ethic.

Hypocrisy.

Here is some facts/stats:

Crabtree's rookie season: appeared in 11 games, targetted 86 times for 48 catches (56% completion rate) for 625 yards. Average of 4.4 receptions per game for 57 yards.

Crabtree's 2nd season: appeared in all 16 games, targetted 101 times for 55 catches (54% completion rate) for 741 yards. Average of 3.4 receptions per game for 46 yards.

As a rookie he accounted for 20% (625/3293) of all receiving yards that season having played in only 11 games.

As a second year pro he accounted for 20.5% (741/3613) of all receiving yards last season playing in all 16 games.

He's regressed.

During his contract dispute he was working out with Deon, had ex NFL players throwing to him, all in an effort to show that he can play at this level, which he did and played very well. When he signed the contract, he and Alex spent two weeks throwing together to help form some chemistry and it showed.

One year later, he doesn't have that chip on his shoulder, he knows he can come in with limited practice and be our best receiver... he has gotten complacent. It's the same fundamental situation he was in with his contract dispute... he has an opportunity to get reps with his QB... as a rookie with a chip on his shoulder he took the opportunity...now he is no longer taking advantage of those opportunities. Call it what you want but to me that seems like a lack of effort/motivation.

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Yea a lot of folks going overboard with Crabtree not being their for these workouts. If you gonna crush him then you need to crush everybody that isn't their. i'll call the guy lazy when I see reports of him being out of shape, or not being able to keep when training camp starts. These little practices aren't even on par with a guy missing ota's. And I've never thought missing ota's was that big of a deal. If the guy was ducking training camp then I would have a different opinion.

For real, this is just an over-reaction because we are bored...
Crabtree is fine. Let's see how his work ethic is now that we have an offensive minded coach. Let's worry if he shows up Fat or Drunk but as of now, he is probably studying the playbook on his own and staying in shape. When Alex starts the minicamps than lets see how many players show up including Crabs.
I am surprised though that people aren't offended by Vernon or Gore or Willis when they are the leaders on the team and "Captains." Shouldn't they set an example. Crabs is just a 3rd year under-achiever that has been unmotivated because his high school offense was more dynamic than ours has been. All our guys will be much better in our new offense.

I should probably add that I don't hate crabtree for not showing up, I just dont think he will ever be worthy of the #10 overall pick without showing up and taking advantage of these opportunities like his other receivers... and the lockout gives nothing else to really talk about

None of you knows the whole story, so stop pretending to.

I can understand that it looks bad for Crabtree to be in the area and not attending the workouts.

My understanding of the "Crabtree Controversy" last season:

He had a little pain in his neck in preseason and his lack of participation was a pain in the neck for his teammates.

I'm not looking up quotes because people just dismiss them anyway.

Vernon and Crabtree got in a scuffle reportedly because of his lack of work ethic.

Crabtree was a serious liability in the passing game during the first handful of games. We've all gone over the statistics, we know the story....

Again, not feeling like searching for archived blog entries, but I read that after the disaster of a start, Crabtree was reported to have worked out after practice running routes with Alex Smith.

In the latter part of the season, Crabtree improves his reliability and production. Again, I've gone over the statistics, if you need me to break it down again, I can... I just don't wanna.

Moral of the story? None of us know Crabtree. We don't know if his neck was really bothering him that badly. We don't know what he's doing right now. We just don't know.

Now, the lockout is aggravating, but there's no reason to argue this issue anymore. If there is a season, Crabtree will show up or he won't. We'll just have to wait and see.